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Another Proof That The New Testament Is Not The Word Of God / A Lot Of People Say The New Testament Is Fake / Yisraylite, How Come You Believe Dat D New Testament Is Fake (2) (3) (4)
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Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 7:45pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
asalimpo: So that means If a man of God comes to meet you that the lord told him that your baby must be killed because he would grow up to be very evil,more evil that osama, would you give out your baby to be killed? Don't Dodge the question oooo,If you Dodge the question I would assume you have seen the absurdity of your stance that killing a baby to prevent a future evil is right. 1 Like |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by alexleo(m): 7:58pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
Dapo777: Now its obvious you are actually among those christians that never experienced God. You really dont know what it means to experience God and this was your real problem. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 8:04pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
alexleo: Tell me What it is to experience God,am Really interested, can you tell me What experiencing God is? Thank you ![]() |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by alexleo(m): 8:10pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
Dapo777: Now you see how dubious and dangerous you people can be? In one breath you were advising your fellow deceived atheists on how best to argue and win christians by not telling them that God doesnt exist, In the same breath you are here committing the same thing you advised them against. Now tell me why people shouldnt call your atheistic stand fraudulent and dangerous to follow. Why would any reasonable person believe that your stand is true? |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by alexleo(m): 8:21pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
Dapo777: Banom was an atheist here for a long time. Those of us who have been here for long knows who banom was. Go and read his conversion story. Nobody preached to him, he didnt speak in tongues, he had an encounter with God and nobody told him that there is God. And after the experience he didnt want to identify with any religion until he was sure. We all supported him to allow God lead him to the right religion. After sometime he became a christian. Nobody preached him into it. When you have that personal encounter, you will not be deceived again by anybody that there is no God. You will bear the testimony yourself. Forget about what you did in church in the past. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 8:23pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
alexleo: Hahahaa,I never said atheist shouldn't say God doesn't exist,you have lied against me,hell awaits you !!!! I only said They should respect their beliefs,Lol is that difficult for u to grasp? Or do u have eye problem? Hell awaits you, because you have lied against me!!!. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 8:26pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
alexleo: I seriously await that personal experience, If I get a personal experience from God then I will convert back to Christianity,and I hope he would give me answers to all the questions I have for him,They are much ooo ![]() ![]() |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by asalimpo(m): 8:33pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
Xcapist: thank you for keeping a level head. If u want to b objective, you will note that the bible has many facets of God's relation with man. U and fellow atheists,selectively pick scriptures to denigrate God with. Will an atheist ever equally harp on this? - the deliverance of an entire nation from generations and century of slavery - being a pillar of cloud to His people by day and of fire by night - sendg enuff food to feed an entire nation in the wilderness - creating the rainbow as a sign never to again wipe man out by flood - removing the shame from an old man who had given up hope of ever fathering a child - making a certified dead womb , a womb tht cudnt concieve at 20, bear a child at 90! - creating an entire planet for man - putting gold, silver precious stones in the ground for man. - givg man,the gift of autonomy, including the freedom to reject God, commit unfettered any kind of act/sin. - giving man air to breathe - creating a special apparatus for living on earth called the human body - making the human body regenerative. God gave u and I our bodies. What is the economic value of the following organs: your eyes your tongue your kidneys your ear drums your thumb your hair your heart your liver your spleen your bones assuming science cud perfectly create perfect versions of these organs, how much would it go for? We are talkg about a wicked God. - promising mankind a deliverer from sin. Wen satan and the angels sinned, they were thrown out without mercy. Yet God spared man. I cud go on and on and on listing God's goodness. Wats d point,the point simply is your finger pointg against God is not objective but biased. So how dyu make a point when ur biased. There is no atheist on this planet that will list and exaggerate the goodness of God. If as u say,yu turned ur back on God for his atrocities what of his benevolence? If the smashg of babies heads on stones made u quit as being too gross wat off the salvation of the human race numbering in uncountable numbers by one man's obedience-Jesus Christ? You ar tryg to b fair but you're far from it. Very far. How many people will b spared eternity on Hell because of Jesus? Are using a scale? Which weighs more. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by sheunfemix: 8:48pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
Xcapist:I will beat u if u mention my name again. Service was great.. Our pastor taught us about the Mind. And I cudnt help but think about u all the way through. The talked in detail about the likes of u. About guiding the heart(mind) from people like u. So dnt mention me again o. Bad boy |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by asalimpo(m): 9:20pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
@Xcapist i'm still with u. I've read all the "horrendous" stories in the bible. Firstly, you ar judging God as being too harsh . But you are not qualified to. I dont understand the weight of the sin in God's eyes but note, we dont and can't weight fully sin. When uzziah touched the ark to right it as it was about to fall God's anger broke out against him,and Killed him. What do u see? You and others see, a man rightg a fallen Ark,just a wooden box(as u would downplay it), what does God see? The weight of the sin is grevious enuff to warrant death. If you and I saw sin the way God saw it- it wud b repulsive we would react against it as He does. GOD'S JUDGEMENT ARE JUST AND PERFECT. Adam and Eve, ate from d tree God said they shudnt. What wud you and I hav done? What wud the law in the world system do? Take beating traffc light for example. It's a trivial thing. To God it is not. It is trivial to us because in a sin-filled world our perception of sin , is dulled and warped. On the issues of sin , you can't judge because you dont hav the same perception as the One,your judging,God. You,simply dont. To man, in adam's case, he'd simply reprimand him, and that wud b it. There was a time people were ashamed to be prostitutes and gays. No ,in this "modern world" as you say, this more lax world, prostitution is legal in some countries. Gayness is legal in some. Without God's help and the Bible we can't tell wat sin is. As the world pushes the bible aside wat dyu think will happen? It will revert back to the dark ages. God's word is light to d world and a true christian is the salt of the earth. As for the muslims and other faith, i can only shake my head. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. That genuine muslim and his genuine experience etc is dead in sin,dyu know that? His goodness is like filthy rotten garment in the eyes of God. His own Koran doesnt ASSURE HIM OF SALVATION. If he dies in his sins he goes expressly to hell. My job is to tell him Jesus saves and pull out of d devil's trap. There's only one way to God,through Jesus Christ ,every other way leads to hell. It's blunt and harsh but tht's it. You can interprete it as you like , as a threat as hogwash . It makes no difference. Hell is real. Jesus has paid the price. It's free for all. No matter how terrible your sin is God thru Jesus will make it as white as snow. If u reject God's Solution and go inventg ur own way,you disqualify urself. It's sad but it's true. Muslims are prayg 5 times a day to hell. Jw's are zealously , distributg tracks to hell. Buddhist are meditating to hell. Catholics ar kissg an idol to hell. While som people know d truth but aint telling,cuz they dont wanna hurt nobody. If i go to hell,it will b with my eyes wide open , not thinkg i'll make heaven only to b suprised. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by alexleo(m): 9:23pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
Dapo777: Bro go and read your post again, place it side by side with the one i commented on and see if you did not contradict your submissions. ![]() |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 9:33pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
alexleo: You are the one who needs to show me Where I stated that atheist should not say God doesn't exist Since you are the one accusing me....... So post my original post and highlight Where I stated that .......or forever be called a LIAR!!!!! ![]() |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by alexleo(m): 9:49pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
Dapo777: Somehow i blame some of our pastors who rather than point people to Christ are making them see Christ through them. Everything about your relationship with God must pass through them (being men of God). Thats why they are competing with the pictures of them and their wives on the bill boards everywhere. While the apostles pointed people to Christ, they point people to themselves as the door to Christ. Its just a pity. On the other hand i blame you for not taking time to have personal encounter with God aside your pastor's teachings. When you are sincere about having an encounter with God, you will see that you will. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by alexleo(m): 10:05pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
Dapo777: Dapo777: Saying that God does not exist is it not part of the negative comment to christians or you want to separate it from what you mean by negative comments? Na wa for you. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 10:11pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
alexleo: This is my original post "If you want to have a reasonable debate with Christians first make them understand that you do not hate "Yahweh", that you are not against Christianity, that you don't think their belief is silly,you just have to appeal to their emotions first and respect their beliefs." Stop lying,no Where did I ask atheists to keep their opinion of non belief to themselves, there is a difference between stating your own opinion and being rude to other people's beliefs,If you belief God exist,It's not my problem That's your business,I am not trying to change you to an atheist just want those it may concern to know the reasons why I am a nonconformist. My girlfriend is a Christian,she knows I am an atheist and she didn't stop loving me because of that,she doesn't even try to change me and That's why I love her more,she isn't judgmental,such is true love man. Not the kind of love Yahweh has that makes him kill millions innocent people for Nothing. Even If Yahweh exist,Chaiii I won't want to serve such a wicked being. Forget about the good things he did,If a man is charged to court and found guilty,the judge won't Remember the good things he has done, and no one cares to see things Through the criminals eyes. If I kill your Mum and tell you that to me it is not a sin,will u accept that and forget about her death and forgive me immediately, ofcourse not,So you see your sense of justice is as skewed as that of the Bible. I meant asalimpo sense of justice not yours Edited. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 10:16pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
alexleo: Lol,So saying god doesn't exist is negative? Ok If saying So hurts you,I am Sorry about that I am only expressing my opinion and I have the right to,you can only agree or disagree, no one will force any belief on you. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 10:27pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
alexleo: Since you are very close to God,tell God to reveal himself to me by himself If he is not shy. If God isn't bold enough to toast me himself I will not accept his proposal because he has decided to send u ![]() Help me ask Mr God why he is So wicked in OT and considering the fact he said he changeth not and it is easier for heaven and earth to pass than for the word of God to change,So I suppose God is still as wicked as he was in OT. Tell me What he told you once he replies you. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by alexleo(m): 10:37pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
Dapo777: Again when you are serious about having an encounter with God we will know. For now, feel free with whatever that pleases you. We will all leave this world on individual basis and we will be judged individually. Whether you believe it or not doesn't change anything. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 10:50pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
alexleo: Same thing here man,whether you believe it or not we are all going back to oblivion after rottening in the grave. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by alexleo(m): 10:55pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
AgentOfAllah: Obviously what you described in the bold is a non living thing and i ve not come across such a thing in my life so i cant describe it. The personality i had encounter with is the almighty God who rules over all the earth. The omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent God. Eternity will not be enough to talk about him.To him be all glory, honour, power, dominion forever and ever. AMEN AND AMEN. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by ideology(m): 11:04pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
Xcapist:Oga, i spent time to type a lot i believe will help you, but I lost it, will send you feedback tomorrow. Am replying you because I perceive your questions arise from the desire to learn. 1 Like |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by alexleo(m): 11:09pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
Dapo777: Whatever you want to believe cannot change what is awaiting us after death. I pray you reconsider your stand than facing a horrible eternity full of unending regrets. You know you will have no excuse to give because you were warned but you chose to reject the warning. May God help you. Amen. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 11:19pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
alexleo: Lol,I am not scared of hell, you can't fear me ![]() Take ur fear tactic elsewhere, for all I Care there Ar over 1000 religions and any of them could be the right one ![]() U playing a game of chance man,think well |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by asalimpo(m): 11:30pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
Dapo777: your girlfriend is a churchgoer. Any1 wantg to obey God wont hang with darkness. What fellowship has Light with darkness. As for smashg of babies to death , you simply hav no case. You and the Op ar harping on it like a chant. Enotionalisg the argument. I asked previously, if The babies Hitler,Idi amin,stalin,boko haram,osama etc were ordered killed as babies wud you cry savagery? Infanticide? You wudnt. Infact, if ur hav been a victim of boko haram,you'd smash the founders head with ur bare hands ,if u cud go back in time. Even then your perception of the gravity of their sin would b incomplete. If u went back in time and killed baby hitler- how dyu think atheists in tht time would judge you? How would d law inteprete ur action? Theyd see it as infanticide. You'd leached or imprisoned. You'd b termed a madman and mentally unstable. People would brand you a murder. Just like you and other atheists hav branded God. You've not seen the big picture. And God aint gonna show it to you or explain to you. . |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 11:51pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
asalimpo: Shutup even ur God said he is surrounded by thick darkness oooo in the Bible,If u Dnt kn den u kn Nothing abt ur Bible....u Ar also a chruchgoer u don't kn ur Bible. Psalm 97:2 |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by DavidKissinger(m): 1:43am On Oct 06, 2014 |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by asalimpo(m): 6:38am On Oct 06, 2014 |
Dapo777: the bible says God dwells in unapproachable light. God is identified with light in the bible. List verses that talk of God and light/darkness. Did u read verse 10 of the chapter you qouted? Can you please magnify tht verse as you try to paint God black? How about james 1v17? Every good and perfect gift is from above and cometh down from the Father of lights. Comes down for who? For men. How many good things are from God? "Every good and perfect ... " meaning God is behind every good invention/technology. The sun that shines on ur roof today is from Him. The rain tht falls on your land on the crops of those who hate him and those who despise him and those who love him are from Him. - matthew 5:45 wen u go on a cruise and bask on the beach,you're enjoying God's goodness while giving him no glory instead you curse him. In your God bashg can u please quote this? You cant cuz ur biased. You'll rather keep mute than quote a verse tht makes God look good. Anoda verse of God and light. 1Timothy 6:16 " God alone is immortal and dwells in unapproachable light ... " NLT says: "light so brilliant no one can approach him .. " you're an amatuer. Learn to rightly divide the word of truth . But you need God's help even in that. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 9:31am On Oct 06, 2014 |
DavidKissinger:questions are important.
No, it doesn't. You're not alone, even the bible itself is confused about the issue.
We does man have to always be at fault. David if you bought an appliance today and it starts misbehaving will you blame the appliance or its manufacturer? I always saw S of S as a beautiful book. That's a relic from the Victorian era, I think. A bid to make him more appealing to the sentimentality of the era. "oh sweet baby Jesus, gentle and meek"? Nahh, that's no the real Jesus of the bible. now that's the real Jesus. Permit me to reply the rest in a new post.
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Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 9:41am On Oct 06, 2014 |
ideology: Eyya. Kpele. I'm waiting for your feedback. Thank you. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by davien(m): 9:50am On Oct 06, 2014 |
you laugh at muhammed flying to heaven on a winged horse but believe a snake and donkey talked.....hypocrisy! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 9:58am On Oct 06, 2014 |
To all who mentioned me: I'm sorry for not replying yet. I've not ignored you, I'm on the move but would reply or at least acknowledge your posts as soon as I find a place to plant my butt. 2 Likes |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 10:39am On Oct 06, 2014 |
asalimpo: That makes the Bible very contradictory,some Bible verse say God dwells in light some Bible verse say God dwells in DARKNESS as seen in psalm97:2 I am not saying there are no verses Where God dwells in light,What I am saying is that THE BIBLE IS TOO CONTRADICTORY AND HUMANE FOR ME TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY,.THE BIBLE IS A JOKE!!!!! If there aren't contradictions in the Bible I would take it serious But as the case may be,that is the Bible full of contradictions, its a joke man,stop wasting ur energy on a book that doesn't agree with itself ![]() 1 Like |
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