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Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by davien(m): 11:13am On Oct 06, 2014 |
Dapo777:apart from that what they refer to as "god's word" was handpicked by roman theologians as the current 66....more than 20 epistles and passages were dismissed as being too mythical...... this is why the " holy bible" is a conglomeration of contradictions....those books are still reference in the 66....an example of "god's word" being handpicked ![]() |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by ideology(m): 11:23am On Oct 06, 2014 |
Xcapist:Alright please will respond by 2pm Kinda busy, thanks |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Ubenedictus(m): 12:03pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
AgentOfAllah:He isn't subject to time, infact, he made the choice to create even before time began, he created time, he transcends time. He already has his plan, his choices are made, to saved those who are saved and punished those who are punished. That is another peck of his prescience. Now in that plan he has factored all possible possibilities and all free choices. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 12:05pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
davien: Even the book of Barnabas is not included in the Bible,despite What Barnabas did to Christianity, Barnabas was the one that allowed the apostles to accept Saul who Later become Paul,So I heard,So why wasn't the book of Barnabas included in the Bible. Those theologians are politicians,I don't believe any of them!!!! |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 12:05pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
davien: Even the book of Barnabas is not included in the Bible,despite What Barnabas did to Christianity, Barnabas was the one that allowed the apostles to accept Saul who Later became Paul,So I heard,So why wasn't the book of Barnabas included in the Bible. Those theologians are politicians,I don't believe any of them!!!! |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Ubenedictus(m): 12:06pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
sheunfemix:hehehe. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Ubenedictus(m): 12:10pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
hifaif:yes my dear. It makes sense. You have shakled your mind to the present and you have failed to consider the possible. GOd isn't bound by time, the past is past before him nor is the future yet to happen for him. He see the end from the begining, he knows the choices you will make tomorrow, and new year, he has factored all thoseyour choices in his plan. It makes perfect sense. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 12:17pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
@davidkissinger you made an analogy about someone clipping the nail of a dog,that the dog gets angry thinking the owner wants to hurt it,But the dog is wrong to think So,that means the dog isn't intelligent enough to understand why It's nail is being clipped. But that analogy doesn't apply to we humans,do you know why? Because we are supposedly made in God's image,God supposedly gave man wisdom, So that analogy doesn't apply to man because man wasn't made with low intelligence. ![]() |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 12:19pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: That means even my choice to be a nonconformist has been factored into God's plan? Wow!!!!! ![]() |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by davien(m): 12:28pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Dapo777:lol....they sold what they concluded to be "god's word" to the masses and due to the strict rule they had over accusations of heresy nobody could question them that the verses they chose were contradictory and that they clipped away "god's word" lest they get executed.... |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by qstar(m): 12:42pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
davien: Check out this site: www.jesusneverexisted.com |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by davien(m): 1:00pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
qstar:lol....i'm a fan of the site actually... |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Ubenedictus(m): 1:06pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
PastorAIO: first and foremost, the discussion about God's "freedom" simply means he can't be compelled. Its like ps 134:6 says, he does what he wills where ever he wills. It doesn't absolve him from the inclinations of his own character. Even the most rigid doctrinalist shouting "God is free" must admit that he made creation out of love. Thus admitting that his essential character causes his action( that is of those words may be used to describe him.). Secondly, i think you are drawing an unneccesary parrallel when you compare divine and human will. I believe God himself provides the insurance for moral human will, he created it and chose not to violate it. He ensure man is allowed to his own counsel, so i absolutely do not see the need to place mans will and the divine will in opposition. After that i'll also say that the divine will is absolute. When he condemns to hell, no human or spirit will jump from hell to heaven. Essentially what he wants to happen will happen. It is also the decision to the divine will to leave man's moral will intact. How does that sound? Man is allowed to do that which he can do, and GOd will accomplish whatever he wishes. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Ubenedictus(m): 1:10pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
hifaif: that means i have a question for you. What do you understand by predestination? Then a second question. Does the past change when you recall thing? |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by davien(m): 1:13pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
you should check out [url] http://listverse.com/2013/09/25/10-badass-islamic-versions-of-biblical-characters/?utm_source=more&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=direct [/url] and [url] http://listverse.com/2014/09/08/10-theories-about-who-really-wrote-the-bible/?utm_source=more&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=direct [/url] and [url] http://listverse.com/2011/01/20/top-10-outdated-christian-beliefs/?utm_source=more&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=direct [/url] |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Ubenedictus(m): 1:17pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
PastorAIO:too bad. I'll take a look. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by AgentOfAllah: 1:39pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: Of course you don't realise the paradox inherent in creating "before" time. The word 'before' is inextricable from time. Saying god chose to create before time is analogous to saying "there was a time when time didn't exist". Add to that, the conundrum of choice you've created for god. See, if god already knows everything that will happen, by definition, god does not have an active role (choice) in it. For if god, out of choice, changes what it already knew, it clearly didn't know everything in the first place. So, can it really be said that an omniscient has made a choice? For emphasis, I could present such a paradox in the form of a question: Is it possible to know everything you're going to do and still call them choices? 3 Likes |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 1:46pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: Predestination , in theology, is the doctrine that all events have been willed by God. (from Wiki) I am sorry, the other question does not make sense to me. 1 Like |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 1:59pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
AgentOfAllah: Maybe time means a different thing to him. How can there be a time before time exist? Thinking about that alone makes me laugh because there can never be a time before time,It's simply ridiculous. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Ubenedictus(m): 2:08pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
alexleo: not really, i think atheism is simply a fall back plan. There is only so much we can know only so many answers we can provide. I only know one tool that carries people on, its faith, when we ignore the goodness of the divine laws, we will sin, when faith is lost atheism is a logical choice. "experience" doesn't cut it, when your mind and heart is nolonger convinced then those experiences will be explained as "episodes", the brain reacting to certain chemicals. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Ubenedictus(m): 2:25pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Dapo777: o.k, God come and toast dapo. How do you define wickedness? |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Ubenedictus(m): 2:30pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Dapo777: the so called gospel of barnabas wasn'twritten by barnabas, that is why it isn't in the bible. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Image123(m): 2:37pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Xcapist:Yes, the bible answers are very truth. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Ubenedictus(m): 2:38pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
hifaif: that must be wiki. Take a christian source and check predestination. I certainly do no belive that God actively wills all events. He allows manys and wills some. If you are using wiki definition then we are not argueing about the same thing. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Image123(m): 2:41pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Dapo777: The question was WHO said God didn't make you perfect? Also, who determined that it is impossible for something perfect to become imperfect? Also, please give me three examples of perfect things. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Image123(m): 2:50pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
alexleo: That's correct. You can't know God and then say He don't exist. It's like saying my father didn't exist, i know him. It's crazy. One may get very angry with God because of whatever, but to say in one's heart "there is no God", that's a fool. 2 Likes |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Ubenedictus(m): 3:01pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
AgentOfAllah: 1st, you are right, the use of the word "before" makes the statement almost contradictory since before is used in relation to time. I used the word "before" for lack of a better term. Maybe "prior to" will be a better term. God existed in eternity prior to time. Now the second only brings me to my next point. God is pure act (actus purus), thus in his knowing and willing there is no transition from potency to act, no habitus, no sequence of individual wills or knowledge, no progress from known to unknown. His knowing is neither potential nor habitual, neither successive or discursive. God knows all in one single indivisible act and he wills by one single successionless act of willing. Does that statisfy your question? |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 3:05pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: Being wicked means causing harm or likely to come harm. Harm means physical or mental damage or injury : something that causes someone or something to be hurt, broken, made less valuable or successful, etc God did this a lot in the old testament and according to God he doesn't change,So I suppose he is still wicked. |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 3:06pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Ubenedictus: Wiki didn't define it. It got it from theology. Check the definition I gave again. 1 Like |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by qstar(m): 3:09pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Image123: To say in one's heart that "there's a god", is an assumption as influenced by culture and religion. To pick a god out of the millions of gods as the one-true god is appealing to one's emotions and bias, and as such "foolish" |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 3:16pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Image123: Let me save u from ur delusion. Perfect means having no flaws,no errors,When something is perfect it cannot be corrected,it cannot be improved.........apparently there is Nothing perfect on earth because everything on earth has It's flaws whether obvious or inconspicuous. Yahweh is not perfect. If Yahweh was perfect why does he need humans? Why did he create angels? Why does he need a dwelling place called heaven? Was yahweh Bored that he decided to create earth and humans? What was Yahweh doing back then before he created anything? What prompted Yahweh to start creating? Was he Bored?lonely?jobless? You see ![]() Yahweh was never perfect,If he was,he would not to feel the need to create anything,because necessity is the mother of invention, only When you need something that you create something and a perfect being can't need anything. Are u still deluded with ur definition of perfection? |
Re: If The Old Testament Is Of A Perfect God, Why The New Testament?? by Nobody: 3:24pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Image123: Let me borrow ur logic. When u were still a kid,you knew Santa Claus, because Santa Claus was So real to you,you even saw him in your dreams,you watched him on tv,Santa Claus was your bestfriend. How can you know Santa Claus and then say he doesn't exist,It's crazy,you may have grown up to disbelieve Santa Claus because of whatever But to say in ones heart there is no Santa,That's a fool. |
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