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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 11:49am On Oct 07, 2014 |
Henry120:hmm. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:50am On Oct 07, 2014 |
MikeZA: You do not know your own South African history about Korean war, I had to post the battle failures for you above. If you knew it, you would have avoided mentioning it like you avoided Bangui battle with Seleka. Overall on this forum/topic, Nigerians finally win on facts and figures from page 1 of this thread to this present page. It is a clear VICTORY for team Nigeria . 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 11:55am On Oct 07, 2014 |
lezz: . 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:19pm On Oct 07, 2014 |
a full profile of MrAyeDee for saffers quoting him lindaikeji..nl/2014/10/to-guy-that-wants-to-take-down-lib.html?m=1 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:20pm On Oct 07, 2014 |
. [size=16pt]South Africans still desperately looking for current war history/records of SANDF to post here on nairaland o ! 20 years till today remains an empty page for South African military experience and achievements. United Nations Military forces in Congo war is an attempt of stolen glory. Seleka rebels story is a no go area #All SouthAfricans Learn Your Lesson, Don't Criticize ThoseWho DoWhatYou CannotDo [/size] . 3 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by rka1: 12:35pm On Oct 07, 2014 |
Vanguard (Lagos) 7 October 2014 Nigeria: 400 Boko Haram Insurgents Killed in Battle to Retake Bazza, Michika, Madagali By Kingsley Omonobi and Umar Yusuf Heavy fighting between Nigerian troops and Boko Haram terrorists ensued yesterday in Adamawa State as soldiers backed from the air by Nigerian Airforce attack helicopters launched an attack to retake territories in the possession of Boko Haram. In the ensuing battle that continued into the night, Vanguard gathered that about 400 Boko Haram terrorist had been killed while there were casualties on the part of the Nigerian soldiers. Military sources in Adamawa state told Vanguard that the onslaught to retake the towns of Bazza, Michika and Madagali was launched from the town of Vimtim, the hometown of the Chief of Defence Staff, Air Chief Marshal Alex Badeh and that the General Officer Commanding 3 division of the Army, Major General Mohammed Zaruwa was coordinating the onslaught Said the source, "I can assure you that we are advancing successfully. We have dealt a heavy blow on the terrorists. They didn't expect what they are seeing. Our armoured tanks are blasting and they are running for their lives. The airforce is providing air cover and hitting them also. "I cannot give you a categorical answer regarding casualties but so far about 400 of the terrorists have been killed. We have casualties among our soldiers also but the propaganda circulating that 70 of our men were killed is wishful thinking". "From reports on the ongoing battle, we may have lost a few soldiers but it cannot be confirmed because usually, they may have been injured and are holed up somewhere for first aid treatment" the source said. Contacted on the development, Director of Defence Information, Major General Chris Olukolade confirmed the fighting but stated he cannot give casualty figures or full details as operatives on ground were yet to furnish him with the situation report. He said he would give details when the operation is concluded. Online media reports had indicated that during the fight at least 70 soldiers were killed in a fierce battle between insurgents and Nigerian troops and pointed out that the fighting was for control of the towns of Bazza and Vimtim in Adamawa State, a claim denied by the military source. The source further debunked claims that Boko Haram used helicopters to fight back noting that the Nigerian airforce helicopters may have been mistaken for that. An eye witness told newsmen that the insurgents at a point on Sunday might re-grouped at the Federal Government College, (Technical) in Michika before they were dislodged and chased away. According to him, "the army came in on Sallah day and since then fierce fighting has been on. But, as you can see the insurgents are moving away and the military are following them". "The insurgents who were in their thousands came through Uba and attacked the Nigeria troops. "The gallant Nigerians soldiers were attacked from the rear by the militants but the military men engaged them in fierce battle over five hours ". It will be recalled that on the 7th of September, 2014 the Boko Haram insurgents overran Michika, Bazza, Madagali and other border towns between Adamawa and Borno State during which the son of the former Nigeria President, Chief Olusegun Obasanjo, a Lieutenant Colonel, Olugbenga Obasanjo an Engineer in the Nigeria Army was shot and wounded. During the takeover of Madagali and Michika, the insurgents also attempted to overran Vimtim, the hometown of the Chief of Defence staff, Air Chief Marshall Alex Badeh. http://allafrica.com/stories/201410070569.html http://www.ibtimes.co.in/nigeria-400-boko-haram-militants-killed-after-fierce-fighting-troops-610683 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:47pm On Oct 07, 2014 |
agaugust: So 5 years makes a 100% difference? Lol ok. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:51pm On Oct 07, 2014 |
agaugust: You are the one with poor comprehension. It says 500, 000 between 1975 and 1989 So that is an average of 35 000 per year And you cannot compare the border war to the CAR. With regards to the source, its from Pravda - making it pretty much indisputable. So, you asked for proof we fought the Russians. It has been posted. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 12:58pm On Oct 07, 2014 |
Henry120:Even the British "begged" Americans for supplies if the war in the Falklands prolonged. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:03pm On Oct 07, 2014 |
agaugust: Ok, you wanna talk stats, lets talk stats. We lost 76% of the Mustangs we deployed... that is to be expected considering we were flying propellor driven arifcraft against enemy jet-aircraft Once we were equipped with modern Jet aircraft (hello you sex.y sabre) our losses dropped down to 18% - because we had the right equipment for the job. You say it was a failure? The President of the United states says otherwise - or else we would not have gotten a presidential unit citation The President of Korea says otherwise - or else we would not have gotten a presidential unit citation from him as well. We also had the most dangerous job - and we were the best at it The SAAF pilots made a significant contribution towards the development of the Fifth Air Force's 'Truckbusting' techniques and on 4 April 1951 the Commander of the Fifth Air Force, Lt Gen E.E. Partridge, singled out 2 Sqn SAAF during the UNC morning briefing as the most efficient unit at seeking out and destroying camouflaged enemy vehicles http://samilitaryhistory.org/vol063dm.html We accounted for 23% of the UN's total kills on enemy ground forces (same citation) Not to mention we were more professional than the americans Once again the SAAF proved its worth. Serviceability in 2 Squadron was better than that of the other three USAF squadrons in the wing http://www.saairforce.co.za/the-airforce/history/saaf/korea Conclusion: We kicked allot of a.s.s in korea Take your simpleton arguments elsewhere 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:10pm On Oct 07, 2014 |
agaugust: Dude, are you being serious? First, dont lecture me about tactics and strategry... if it wasnt for me you would have no idea what schwerpunkt and deep penetration operations were. Second, you are not differentiating between defensive operations taken up against M23 (which largely failed) and offensive operations against the M23 (which only the FIB was madated to take part in) Third, those 20 000 men are spread out across a country the size of western europe. And none have the mandate for offensive operations against the M23 or other groups. And most werent even in East Kivu at all!! Finally, you gunna have to back your BS up with citations. Show us that Tanzania saw more combat than us We contributed the most troops and equipment. We get the lions share of the glory 3 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:11pm On Oct 07, 2014 |
Henry120: This is the ramblings of a madman |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:13pm On Oct 07, 2014 |
agaugust: Sulking because he cannot find a citation to show that the cubans "popped up behind us and showered us with hot pepper" You cant talk your way out it augugubgugug... I guess you will have to employ plan B: SULK 2 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:16pm On Oct 07, 2014 |
agaugust: OH MY GAWD THE IRONY This post coming from the guy who has an allmost infinite claim of things he cannot prove!!! - Tucano's - T-72's - T-84 oplots - Otomat Mk2's - JF-17's - FREAKING FH-77B L52 (one of my favorites) - Su-30's - That blatant VIP transport which he calls an ISTAR asset Good lord. And lets not even mention all the things he says as fact... and yet cant prove. 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:19pm On Oct 07, 2014 |
agaugust: You are right - Mutiny - lose town after town - commit war-crimes - desert - refuse to return to the front - sell weapons to the enemy - shoot at commanders - blow up ships - top the world piracy rankings - top the world terror rankings - lose jets You are absolutely right, we couldent do any of that if we tried Reminder: In the last 18 months South Africa has vanquished no less than 2 rebel groups Nigeria has yet to defeat one in the last 20 years. 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 1:21pm On Oct 07, 2014 |
agaugust:Lol. A well read individual=/=A bloke who hunts articles on google. Presenting a link to us doesn't show how well knowledgeable you are,about whatever topic we might be discussing. You're NOT putting any argument forward,but simply presenting articles which are biased in nature. Answer questions and back then up: Here's one: On which front did Tz troops lead Saffers? 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:25pm On Oct 07, 2014 |
agaugust: Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary", is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance No one is going to bother writing an artical on how the Cubans never "popped up behind us and showered us with hot pepper" Pathetic. You made a claim. We called you out on it. Now show it. Or admit you have no proof. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:04pm On Oct 07, 2014 |
MikeZA: Every front Every where ! You South Africans are glory thieves. United Nations takes 100% glory for the whole mission of MONUSCO and FIB. Tanzanian army takes 50% glory for FIB war in Congo. Malawian army takes 30% glory South African army takes 20% glory. A leader is the brain behind the success of the team he led with his own brain. http://monusco.unmissions.org/Default.aspx?ctl=Details&tabid=10662&mid=14594&ItemID=20029 . 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:07pm On Oct 07, 2014 |
agaugust: Your citation says absolutely nothing to substantiate your claims. Please answer his question. And please provide proof that the Tanzanians did the majority of the fighting. 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by GreenandGold: 2:12pm On Oct 07, 2014 |
agaugust: MONUSCO is not the FIB, MONUSCO is peace keeping then the FIB did the combat of DRC... South Africa killed the M23 bosses and killed and scarted the boys with her powerful Rooivalks. The glory belongs to South Africa and her home made weapons. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:15pm On Oct 07, 2014 |
GreenandGold: I realized today that augugbugugug does not understand MONUSCO or the FIB, their mandates, their ROE or their operations. As usual he is flapping his gums over matters he knows little about 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 3:39pm On Oct 07, 2014 |
agaugust:During which battle? The commander is not part of the Tanzanian battalion. Malawi didn't even fight during the heaviest battles around Kibati. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 10:33pm On Oct 07, 2014 |
Patchesagain:rebels? We are talking terrorism here with boko haram not rebels. And thats a victory no african country will claim. But i think Nigeria is on the verge of doing so. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:45am On Oct 08, 2014 |
Patchesagain: In south-africa's case, the terrorists now run the country, so tell us who won? 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:03am On Oct 08, 2014 |
Henry120: Democracy and freedom won |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:47am On Oct 08, 2014 |
Patchesagain: Are you drinking Ogogoro or Paraga ? Who told you South Africa was flying propeller Mustang against enemy jet aircraft? Where did you see that in your Korean war history? Your SAAF that ran away with Mirage jets from Cuban MiG 23 jets in Angola ? If South Africa every flies propeller combat aircraft against North Korean jets, 100% of your air force will be s.hot down in 5 minutes. The war history says SAAF was flying ONLY ground attack on North Korean army especially interdicting enemy ground transport columns. " 2 Squadron had a long and distinguished record of service in Korea flying F-51D Mustangs and later F-86F Sabres. Their role was mainly flying ground attack and interdiction missions." 76% of South African combat aircraft, Mustangs were s.hot down by North Korean ARMY, history says ARMY ! "On 11 March 1953 the squadron flew it first operational sortie with the F-86F Sabre. The Squadron now flew, in addition to its ground attack role, high-level interdiction and standing patrols along the Yalu River. The cease-fire was signed on 27 July 1953." Next you got American gift of Sabre jet fighters in March, and war ended in July, that explains why SAAF lost only 4 Sabres out of 22, if the war continued you will lose EVERYTHING to North Korean army soldiers You see why I don't bother much nowadays to post weblink sources? I have my facts, and I don't care whatever lies you tell. http://www.southafrica-embassy.or/eng/sankorea/korean_war.php Now don't ever come here again to post South African Korean war history again okay? I w.arn y.ou for the last time Mister Mokopa, or else I will once again white-wash your incompetent air force that wasted 76% of your combat aircraft like dumbo domingos . 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:41am On Oct 08, 2014 |
agaugust: Yet again you lie to us Nowhere does it say that all they planes were shot down by the NK army- you just made that up First, we lost around 78 planes in over 12 000 sorties. We lost one plane for every 153 missions we flew!!! That is an astounding figure!!! - not to mention that the UN lost over 1000 planes in the conflict. So we contributes over 20% of the ground kills for 0.7% of the "cost" Second, Russian piloted Mig15s appeared in Korea from October 15th 1950 onwards. Third, we accounted for 20% of UN ground kills- what percentage of aircraft did we send? Fourth, out contribution is recognized by presidential citations Fifth, we didn't ONLY fly ground attack - it says mainly, do you know the difference between mainly and only? No one cares about your opinion. Our contribution and our skills are well known and well proven. Not to mention we showed ourselves to be more professional than the mighty USAF Their own commanders said we were the best in their entire air-contingent at ground attack. That's right, the American Airforce, the best in the world, happily used us as an example of how to conduct such operations!!!! Maybe you should show us just one instance of nigeria flying against an enemy with an Airforce or modern equipment - better yet, show us any one example of Nigerian pilots getting into air-to-air combat!!! Just one!! Lol, you have your jets showt down by boko haram!!! As for your empty threats: BRING IT ON 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by GreenandGold: 6:22am On Oct 08, 2014 |
Agububu I'm still waiting for you to show us the link which states that "Cubans showed South Africans hot pepper".... 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 7:29am On Oct 08, 2014 |
agaugust:During which engagement? It was the MIG-23s who used their superior engine power to disengage and run. Name the 1.operation 2. Time. 3. Place. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ThaVluit: 7:55am On Oct 08, 2014 |
Check out the helmet and forehead. 1 Like
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 11:33am On Oct 08, 2014 |
agaugust: Nope, you only have won with stupidity. Fact!!!! 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 11:38am On Oct 08, 2014 |
Henry120: Do you mean terrorists who were supported by majority of the citizens and proved that with their votes? 5 Likes |
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