Funke4Jesuss:
What will i lose if there is a God and i pretend he doesn't exists:
Well, only one thing comes to my mind - Hell.
As much as i like to believe there is no God, what if i die today and i realize my belief has been wrong. And infact, that God is angry with me for all my sins (including denying his existence) and then he orders me to hell 4 ever. Can i afford to spend 24 hours in a hot burning fire talkless of forever? Try putting your hand in a burning stove.
So, this made me to realize it is truely worth my time to find out if a God really exists.
To be continued...

This is the post i focused on...you already believe there is a hell....and the "god" is a "he" and you seem to think you have either to pretend it doesn't exist.....

davien:
[b] lol....funke4jesuss... first off an unbelief is not a pretence....just an unbelief...or is your unbelief in allah a pretence?
what i can get from your write up so far is....
1.Atheists have a "pretence" and believe an idea of "no god";
This as i've pointed out is silly....and an idea of "no god" isn't an idea....you can't have an idea that doesn't have a definition nor proof..... e.g can you have an idea of a married bachelor?
2."god" has to be real else we are all loose canons;
If this is true why aren't atheists the most people in jail or commit crimes.....despite the veil of dignity around religions they commit vastely more atrocities than unreligious people...
3."hell" has to exists else i could do whatever i want;
Really?....saying something has to exists because of moral reasons is also silly.....before my example note that despite this claim by many preachers and you....they still r4pe women and young children....aren't they doing anything they want?
Father christmas has to exists else people won't give presents....is what i can deduce to match you....
4.The consequences of the "god" claim makes it justify-able to believe;
So why don't you believe in all gods then?....they all have consequences....why are you comfortable playing a roulette of one christian denomination against 41,000 ones?...
Despite this no one has to believe you because you cannot on your own validate if it is true or not...
.
If i walk up to you and tell you a quarxynoff is an alien that is hidden in your brain and cannot tell you how i know its true but keep telling you to have faith....and that you need to have a neuro-parasite lodged in it to survive....would you believe me?
what if i hold out my hand and threaten to split an atom if i am not given 50 million naira?...would the consequence make the claim true? [/b]

AND ALL SUMMED UP IN......"I HAVE TO BE RIGHT ELSE I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN A WORLD THAT DOES NOT OBEY MY PRE-DRAWN CONCLUSION OF IT...

Funke4Jesuss:
@ davien i think my post is as unbiased as possible. These are the points in my posts:
1. First i asked myself why should i (not you or anybody else) bother if there is a God or not. Then i listed the advantages i will stand to benefit if a God exists. And the things i might suffer if he exists and i say he doesn't. After examining both, i realized its worth my time to find out if he truely exists or if its just an imagination of human minds.
2. The second stage is where i will prove (to myself) without biases if he exists or not.
If after reading my posts u still accuse me of wrong belief, then i will have to say u are more brainwashed than myself.

i never claimed you were brainwashed and i don't accuse people of "wrong belief"....the beliefs inherently reveal themselves as invalid....by mere questions.....get it?

op, any believe that teaches you not to pay evil with evil, show mercy irrespective of religion, loving equally is the way

praz001:
op, any believe that teaches you not to pay evil with evil, show mercy irrespective of religion, loving equally is the way

like buddhism?

bossminded:


No sir, you would!! I bet you would cry!!!

Why?
I'll spend eternity with Satan and avoid the jealous dictator.

davien:
lol....funke4jesuss... first off an unbelief is not a pretence....just an unbelief...or is your unbelief in allah a pretence?

U are right an unbelief is not a pretence. But i said i, not u.

what i can get from your write up so far is....
1.Atheists have a "pretence" and believe an idea of "no god";
This as i've pointed out is silly....and an idea of "no god" isn't an idea....you can't have an idea that doesn't have a definition nor proof..... e.g can you have an idea of a married bachelor?

Ur claim is just an assumption that if you cannot prove something then it doesn't exist. Back in those days there was no proof that the earth was spherical. So, does that mean it isnt?

2."god" has to be real else we are all loose canons;
If this is true why aren't atheists the most people in jail or commit crimes.....despite the veil of dignity around religions they commit vastely more atrocities than unreligious people...

What i said is that i wish God exists so that those that oppressed me won't go scot free.

3."hell" has to exists else i could do whatever i want;
Really?....saying something has to exists because of moral reasons is also silly.....before my example note that despite this claim by many preachers and you....they still r4pe women and young children....

What u are saying does not make sense. I said if i'm sure hell does not exist, i will be doing some things i'm not doing now.

4.The consequences of the "god" claim makes it justify-able to believe;
So why don't you believe in all gods then?....they all have consequences....why are you comfortable playing a roulette of one christian denomination against 41,000 ones?...
Despite this no one has to believe you because you cannot on your own validate if it is true or not...
.
If i walk up to you and tell you a quarxynoff is an alien that is hidden in your brain and cannot tell you how i know its true but keep telling you to have faith....and that you need to have a neuro-parasite lodged in it to survive....would you believe me?[\qoute]
still doesn't relate with what i've been saying.
[quote]
what if i hold out my hand and threaten to split an atom if i am not given 50 million naira?...would the consequence make the claim true?

No. Because i can prove that you can't do it.

davien:
i never claimed you were brainwashed and i don't accuse people of "wrong belief"....the beliefs inherently reveal themselves as invalid....by mere questions.....get it?

Okay.
Let me ask u this questions:
1. What is your belief.
2. I will ask you to stop believing your answer in question 1 for a while, and answer this further questions:
a. Is there a supreme God?
b. If yes or no state ur reason.
We can take it from there. Just be sincere.

Funke4Jesuss:

U are right an unbelief is not a pretence. But i said i, not u.

Ur claim is just an assumption that if you cannot prove something then it doesn't exist. Back in those days there was no proof that the earth was spherical. So, does that mean it isnt?

sorry to disappoint you madam but there was proof the earth was spherical....namely the horizon and other celestial bodies and circumnavigation

What i said is that i wish God exists so that those that oppressed me won't go scot free.

a wish does not make anything true...

What u are saying does not make sense. I said if i'm sure hell does not exist, i will be doing some things i'm not doing now.

really.....so because of the fear of hell that is why you aren't doing those things?....and not because of your ability to mutually respect and watch out for your own and others wellbeing?

Funke4Jesuss:

Okay.
Let me ask u this questions:
1. What is your belief.
2. I will ask you to stop believing your answer in question 1 for a while, and answer this further questions:
a. Is there a supreme God?
b. If yes or no state ur reason.
We can take it from there. Just be sincere.

1. i have no belief

2.a since i have no belief....no there is no supreme "god" that i am aware of... nor could define


b. no because the theists have failed to define and provide any evidence for their pre-drawn conclusions....

davien:
sorry to disappoint you madam but there was proof the earth was spherical....namely the horizon and other celestial bodies and circumnavigation

Ofcourse the proofs u mention had been there all along. But there was a time in history when men haven't discovered it. And do you even know someone had been killed in history before for suggesting that the earth is sphererical. Im sure u don't know that.

a wish does not make anything true...

I never said because i wish God does not exist therefore he does not exist. Or the other way round.
Learn to read with common sense, not assumptions based on what you want to hear.

really.....so because of the fear of hell that is why you aren't doing those things?....and not because of your ability to mutually respect and watch out for your own and others wellbeing?

Did i say i don't want to kill because im afraid of going to hell? Pls try to read with common sense.

davien:
1. i have no belief

2.a since i have no belief....no there is no supreme "god" that i am aware of... nor could define

It shows u are an illeterate.
You said u have no belief because there is no supreme god that u are aware of or u can define. Then automatically ur belief is - You don't believe in a supreme god because u can't see him or define him.
Abi what u do u think belief means? It shows u are an illiterate.

b. no because the theists have failed to define and provide any evidence for their pre-drawn conclusions....

What do u mean by define? Only an illiterate does not know what the definition of 'god' is.
And because u can't prove something does it mean it can't be proved? Or it doesn't exist?

Funke4Jesuss:

Ofcourse the proofs u mention had been there all along. But there was a time in history when men haven't discovered it. And do you even know someone had been killed in history before for suggesting that the earth is sphererical. Im sure u don't know that.

I know.....it was the dogma the church held that prompted it....

I never said because i wish God does not exist therefore he does not exist. Or the other way round.
Learn to read with common sense, not assumptions based on what you want to hear.

you learn to read and understand before you reply.....a wish does not make anything true...do you understand that and how it applies to the dribble of a post you wrote below?

What i said is that i wish God exists so that those that oppressed
me won't gao scot free

again go back and re-read my post....perhaps you have myopia....or short-term memory....

here is your post below....

if i'm sure hell
does not exist, i will be doing some things i'm not doing now.

and here was my reply below

really.....so because of the fear of hell that is why you aren't
doing those things?....and not because of your ability to mutually
respect and watch out for your own and others wellbeing?

please reply using your brain....not your a5s..

This davien just like baseless arguement.
What i'm i saying, what are you saying?
As a christain, pre marital sex is a sin. So, if i should say i wish God does not exist so that i can have pre marital sex as much as i like without fear of going to hell, how does it now relate with what u are saying here -

really.....so
because of the fear of hell
that is why you aren't
doing those things?....and not because of your
ability to mutually
respect and watch out for
your own and others
wellbeing?

How does my own pre marital sex affect ur well being?
Pls read and comment with your head.

Funke4Jesuss:
This davien just like baseless arguement.
What i'm i saying, what are you saying?
As a christain, pre marital sex is a sin. So, if i should say i wish God does not exist so that i can have pre marital sex as much as i like without fear of going to hell, how does it now relate with what u are saying here -

How does my own pre marital sex affect ur well being?
Pls read and comment with your head.

Are u a christian?

Funke4Jesuss:
This davien just like baseless arguement.
What i'm i saying, what are you saying?
As a christain, pre marital sex is a sin. So, if i should say i wish God does not exist so that i can have pre marital sex as much as i like without fear of going to hell, how does it now relate with what u are saying here -

How does my own pre marital sex affect ur well being?
Pls read and comment with your head.

shifting the topic to prove your bias serves you no purpose.....you said

i wish God exists so that those that oppressed
me won't go scot free.

and my reply to that was

a wish does not make anything true...

you've been caught red-handed and now you are shifting the topic...

Funke4Jesuss:

It shows u are an illeterate.
You said u have no belief because there is no supreme god that u are aware of or u can define. Then automatically ur belief is - You don't believe in a supreme god because u can't see him or define him.
Abi what u do u think belief means? It shows u are an illieterate.

you can't even spell illiterate and you are claiming i am one ...and how is my unbelief=belief?....go to school please...

What do u mean by define? Only an illiterate does not know what the definition of 'god' is.
And because u can't prove something does it mean it can't be proved? Or it doesn't exist?

lol....perhaps you are unaware that "god" has varying definitions....so each theist i encounter must define it....polytheistic definition of "god" is different to pantheistic definition...so on and so forth...
you want to prove whether "god" exists or not to yourself and yet lack this basic understanding that "god" as a term varies on definition....lol you are really an illiterate...

davien:

you've been caught red-handed and now you are shifting the topic...

Please permit her to shift topic, it's their usual trait.

@funke4jesuss, u are 1 confused babe. Ur signature even shows how worldly u are

It is important to note that the idea of God has a varied meaning amongst cultures. The prevalent idea of God we are used to, is the Western idea of God. It is ignorance that causes one to believe there is an harmonious perception of God.

Kay17:
It is important to note that the idea of God has a varied meaning amongst cultures. The prevalent idea of God we are used to, is the Western idea of God. It is ignorance that causes one to believe there is an harmonious perception of God.

Ohun to ko iwaju si eni kan,ehin lo ko si elomiran,bi ilu gangan (what faces one man might show its back to another)

This thread should be in literature section or better still you can create a diary and post it there,, all I am seeing is just stories!