Ngwakwe:


What is this nonsense meant to achieve in a logical debate?


First of all, Tanko Yakasai's is the current chairman of Northern Elders Council (NEC) and not a novice like you.

As far back as 1953/1954, Yakasai was one of the editors of the Comet, one of the top news dailies.

What periodicals or facts can you provide to prove your points and refute Yakassai's interview?

peewhydee:
Much as i want to agree that our biggest challenge is corruption and Rtd Gen Buhari seem to have a reputation in dealing with such issues,i would want us to situate it in a context.The degree of corruption is 1983 pales into insignificance when compared to NOW. I hate to say this but truth is corruption has become systemic (if not endemic).As such the anti-corruption therapy cannot be the same.
Secondly,anti-corruption therapies in a military regime may not necessarily be relevant in a democracy. Reason being that the structures are different.
That said,the anti-corruption drive in my opinion must be systematic;that is we must engage all arms of government and the followership on a journey of value rediscovery which is the reason i have always believed that we need a man with a strength of character,cross-ethnic alliances,highly ingenuous,sincerely purposeful and oratorily powerful(such as can genuinely inspire us as a people to shun corruption)while delivering good governance across the board without fear or favor.The long and short of this submission is that the anti-corruption effort must be collaborative and this can only be possible when the oga at the top is actively&verbally inspiring.

Obiagelli:
@ Ngwakwe, idumuose

Someone just informed me that Gowon didn't even know about the coup that brought him in.

T.Y. Danjuma said in his book that the coup plotters discussed whether they should tell Gowon about it, but decided not to, because they knew that Gowon would report them. Gowon's car was shot at when he tried to go and negotiate with the coup plotters (read Operation Aure by Nowa Omoigui).

It is not true that Gowon could have stopped the coup. Northern soldiers were enraged that their seniors (Maimalari, etc) had been killed and they were not prepared to listen to anyone. For example, noticed how William Walbe and co kidnapped Ironsi from Danjuma (Walbe has openly admitted to this in his interview with Nowa Omoigui).

It is a fact that many potential beneficiaries of coups are not informed before hand. The people that planned the first coup (Nzeogwu, Ifeajuna, etc) said that they planned to appoint Awolowo as Prime Minister, but Awolwow did not know about this. Dimka planned to appoint Gowon as the Head of State, but Gowon did not know

Obiagelli:

If we are going by logic, btw yankasai and Col.
Nyiam, who should we be listening to.

Btw read my earlier post.

Ngwakwe:


I don't like diversions, we are talking about Mohammadu Buhari, the peoples' General and his level of involvement in 1983 Coup that truncated Civilian Rule.

It is imperative to note that other past Military heads of State are not presently under scrutiny because they are not aspiring for highest political office in Nigeria.

Ibrahim Babangida tried to come back but couldn't withstand his past hence he gave up.

Nobody is hating on Buhari, let him apologise to Nigerians for:

1. Being the face of 1983 Coup

2. For being in Government for more than Abdusalami Abubakka with any template to return the country to civilian rule.

Murtala Mohammed had it but was murdered.

Olusegun Obasanjo had a template and executed it and Abdusalami Abubakka followed Obasanjo's steps.

Buhari wanted to perpetuate himself in power like Idi Amin

Ngwakwe:


In my earlier post, I conceded semantically his non involvement in terms of attending periodic meetings during the coup just because I can't prove his attendance.

However, Buhari is not denying betraying the Commander-in-Chief Shehu Shagari by withholding the information at his disposal at the time through silence.

Had the Coup been botched, he would have been executed by Military tribunal.

Obiagelli:

You still haven't proven Buhari’s knowledge though.

Ngwakwe:


I wanted to prove his knowledge of the coup but since it's not part of your conditions to give up on Buhari's candidature, I need not venture into fruitless adventure.

peewhydee:
Much as i want to agree that our biggest challenge is corruption and Rtd Gen Buhari seem to have a reputation in dealing with such issues,i would want us to situate it in a context.The degree of corruption is 1983 pales into insignificance when compared to NOW. I hate to say this but truth is corruption has become systemic (if not endemic).As such the anti-corruption therapy cannot be the same.
Secondly,anti-corruption therapies in a military regime may not necessarily be relevant in a democracy. Reason being that the structures are different.
.

Ngwakwe:
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/112414-why-
babangida-overthrew-detained-me-buhari.html

Obiagelli:

Buhari like every other to general was invited to a meeting after the coup, just like it happened under Ironsi, he was picked as HOS. This is what happens when young officer try to prove that their coup was patriotic.

The account above came from a colonel.

Obiagelli:

obayaya:


If you believe this, then you can believe anything

Obiagelli:

You guys brought the Gowon angle i thought. Now all i see is just pure hatred for Buhari, idi amin? Wow

Iamkbstarr:


Please you can crack your brain too, for solutions. Nigerians are yearning for an alternative to both PDP. Since we are having problem trusting him Gen. Buhari in the company of those around him......... We need someone else, can you come up with a name?

I have many names sha, but I am finding it hard selling it to people, you might have a better option.

Ngwakwe:


Logically, when military juntas dispose civilian governments because of corruption or National Security, they do come up with blueprints which include how long they intend staying in power before handing over to civilian rule.

Buhari had none of those plan not even a secret one for that matter. If he had, the interview I posted above would've contained it rather he was furious with Babangida for taking over what he claimed was given to him on trust.

If Buhari claims he wasn't involved in 1983 Coup, why complain so bitterly when he was disposed?

You see, Gowon has no grudge against Murtala Mohammed nor against Obasanjo when they took back what they gave him on trust. Why Buhari, if he wasn't actively involved in the coup?

Obiagelli:

I am supposed to believe your assumptions?

Obiagelli:

Brother, i can come up with 100 name without blinking but do they have the numbers (voters)? We have had fantastic candidates like utomi, fawehinmi and many more but we have refused to vote them.

Iamkbstarr:


I get confused reading some reports. How did this two paragraph get drafted in the same report?

1. "He also wished President Shehu Shagari, who he had earlier toppled and detained too, will forgive him."


2. "He denied ever participating in coup plotting, and said he was merely invited as the most senior officer to take over the reins of governance after Mr. Shagari, the second republic president, was sacked. Those backers later “changed their minds” and booted him out of office, he said.

I did learn something new though, something that I always seek explanation to:

Mr. Buhari also denied N2.8 billion oil money disappeared
while he was minister of petroleum. He said the allegation was politically motivated........ “At that time, Nigeria was exporting about 1.82 million barrels a day. And the cost of barrel a day was about $18. You work out N2.8billion. How could N2.8billion be missing and we still have money to run the country?”
.

Obiagelli:
Ok on this thread,
1. i have proven Buhari never said Muslims should vote Muslims

2. Buhari didn't plot the 83 coup.


We are getting somewhere.

Obiagelli:
Ok on this thread,
1. i have proven Buhari never said Muslims should vote Muslims

2. Buhari didn't plot the 83 coup.


We are getting somewhere.

Iamkbstarr:




Yeah, we didn't ......... Which means we are not ready to turn things around yet.

Obiagelli:

You make it sound like buhari spent more than 18 months in office. Anyway transition programme is a matter for another day.

Ngwakwe:


Stop taking intellectuals for granted, what is the difference between saying and implying?

Your audience interpretation of your speech is what matters.

Buhari is a Coupist and no amount of denial can erase the tag on him

Ngwakwe:


In my earlier post, I conceded semantically his non involvement in terms of attending periodic meetings during the coup just because I can't prove his attendance.

Obiagelli:
Ok on this thread,
1. i have proven Buhari never said Muslims should vote Muslims

2. Buhari didn't plot the 83 coup.


We are getting somewhere.

Ngwakwe:


How many months did Abdusalami spend in office?

How many months did Murtala Mohammed spend before rolling out with a comprehensive blueprint to return to civilian rule that Obasanjo implemented?

Ngwakwe:


See how to understand such interviews.

1. Take the position of the interviewer.

2. Understand the questions being asked.

3. Check for loopholes in the answers provided by the interviewee.

4. Repeat the question he faltered in another fashion to seek details and clarifications

5. Check for inconsistencies to deduce lies and acts of cover-up .

6. Don't ever embarrass him

7. Draw your inferences.

"He also wished President Shehu Shagari, who he
had earlier toppled and detained too, will forgive him."

obayaya:


And where's this proof of yours?

You are both the debater and the judge?

That's ludicrous