Henry120:


Keep quiet, liar. They all reported on it, and the all say the same thing


"A source with the United Nations in Bangui said the South Africans had asked for assistance from French forces to help them leave the country."

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE92M0AU20130324?irpc=932

"Bangui - South African soldiers in the Central African Republic are seeking safe passage to the airport after taking heavy losses during fighting with Seleka rebels, Reuters reports."



"Amy Martin of the UN's humanitarian agency, OCHA, told the BBC World Service that the SA troops had retreated to their barracks and were seeking safe passage to the airport."


"Seleka spokesperson Eric Massi said the rebels had broken through a line of South African soldiers during their push into the city."

http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/SA-soldiers-in-CAR-retreat-to-barracks-want-out-20130324


You ran away.

Yet, you were telling bare faced lies about SAcowardlyNDF bringing in supplies. Peeps who only had one thing on their minds (scampering).

"A source with the United Nations in Bangui said the South Africans had asked for assistance from French forces to help them leave the country."

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE92M0AU20130324?irpc=932

They held the airport, we needed to use it.

How is that begging for help?

"Bangui - South African soldiers in the Central African Republic are seeking safe passage to the airport after taking heavy losses during fighting with Seleka rebels, Reuters reports."



"Amy Martin of the UN's humanitarian agency, OCHA, told the BBC World Service that the SA troops had retreated to their barracks and were seeking safe passage to the airport."


"Seleka spokesperson Eric Massi said the rebels had broken through a line of South African soldiers during their push into the city."

http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/SA-soldiers-in-CAR-retreat-to-barracks-want-out-20130324

That same report was written 1 hour after we pulled back to barracks on the 23rd of March, they obviously have an incomplete story.

It is also fulled with inconsistencies saying we deployed 400 men etc

Henry120:



Yet, you were telling bare faced lies about SAcowardlyNDF bringing in supplies. Peeps who only had one thing on their minds (scampering).

- That series of running battles claimed 13 soldiers and 27 others were wounded, but the force retained its cohesion and was able to fall back from two separate engagement areas to its base and to hold it until their attackers gave up trying to overrun them and proposed a ceasefire and disengagement
-By then the rebels had suffered as many as 500 casualties, based on estimates by officers with considerable operational experience and estimated by a number of NGOs in the country.
- Their valour was underlined by the French force at Bangui airport when it held a formal parade to bid farewell to those who died.
- After a quiet night, the base was again attacked at about 6.30am, but after about 30 minutes the Seleka commander telephoned to ask for a meeting, saying he had 2 000 troops with which to attack the base but would prefer not to. He approached the base holding a white handkerchief to identify himself, and met with the force commander at the gate. He said he had no orders to fight the South Africans and was happy to break off the engagement if they would not fire on his troops.

and by the way, we only needed access to the airport

One of the Fomac companies then made an appearance, offering to provide trucks to move the wounded to the airport, from where they were evacuated. The force commander now also decided to move his force to the airport. By 9pm on Sunday the troops were at the airport resting and cleaning equipment, while in the city various rebel elements had begun shooting at each other.

and re-enforcements were sent

Another special forces team with six Hornets, that had just been flown into Bangui, went to support them.

all from http://www.iol.co.za/sundayindependent/how-deadly-car-battle-unfolded-1.1493841#.VDnfMPmSySq

You guys remeber that formation we spent $400 million on during exercises?

You remember Heitman said that its deployments could increased threat of attacks at home? Remember how weird that sounded? Well, it all makes sense now.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/15/south-africa-troops-somalia

NaijaPikinGidi:


Don't just come here and say the information is wrong! Provide rock-solid proof that the information is wrong! #Simple

Augusta A-109LUH is operated by 17 Squadron who are based in Pertoria (Centurion), not cape town
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17_Squadron_SAAF

Concrete enough?

Henry240:


What photos of average nigerian soldiers have you seen? Has the DHQ released any photos?

- bunched up (great target for an mg)
- muzzle sweeping each other
- no support weapons
- all moving together


Not suprised, your country has a record of abysmal combined-arms training

Henry240:


UN humanitarian agencies =/= forces. Olodo

O, so the UN Hamitarian agencies were on the front-line with the South Africans?

Or were they sheltering with the civilians?

A stubborn person finds it difficult to argue with someone who is fair....bringing irrelevant issues into a topic does not make one sound genius but exposes his\her immaturity
....

NaijaPikinGidi:


I have seen more stubborn scoundrels in real life and on this thread! Guess what? They fell away. You are not up to scratch!

*modified*

MikeZA:
Remember Nigeria needs SA than we do need NA.

We don't buy arms from Nigeria

You were the bloke who claimed Nigeria had an advanced defence industry than SA?

United State of America bought drones from Israel ? So what?

Henry240:


What photos of average nigerian soldiers have you seen? Has the DHQ released any photos?

There was an entier thread deicated to solders in the NE. We all got to see. AK47 a few mags. That was it. Hell your solders even muinty and complian over not being this. Stop acting like a child. You know your army is woefully under armerd.

Sure you have a few APCs and nice gear. But it is not standard issue. And I wonder if the 7th divstion is so poorly armerd how do your forces not in the NE look? Hell even the 7th div can not get 1 standard Camo pattern.

Henry240:


UN humanitarian agencies =/= forces. Olodo

As I said the aid workers where hiding in there compound and air port. A number of them wrote blogs about it. None where close the front line.

andrewza:


There was an entier thread deicated to solders in the NE. We all got to see. AK47 a few mags. That we as it. Hell your solders even muinty and complian over not being this. Stop acting like a child. You know your army is woefully under armerd.

Sure you have a few APCs and nice gear. But it is not standard issue. And I wonder if the 7th divstion is so poorly armerd how do your forces not in the NE look? Hell even the 7th div can not get 1 standard Camo pattern.

South African army has NEVER deployed more than 4,000 soldiers in a war zone in the last 60 years so we don't know how well armed you will be when you deploy 20,000 men into one single war zone like Nigeria.

Sure you will look like Congolese rebels
.

leofab:
United State of America bought drones from Israel ? So what?

Israel is not nigeria. In many ways israel is ahead of the USA. They where useing drones long before they where cool. The israeles have in serves Active Proecstion Sytem where the US one is still a pipe dream. By the way the USA buys lots of forghin wepaons. Here is a short list

Stryker
LAV25
LMGs
105mm tank gun
120 tank gun
Pistol
MGL
MRAPs
Jet trainer
Extra extra

MikeZA:
Claims again!!!!!!

You guys were claiming Chinooks and 40 helicopters LOOOOOOOOOL,we all know what happened next.

Simple, the order was shifted to Russia.

According to your own respected South African sources, Nigeria is buying 40 Russian Mi-35 Hind and Mi-171s Terminator combat helicopters

.

agaugust:


South African army has NEVER deployed more than 4,000 soldiers in a war zone in the last 60 years so we don't know how well armed you will be when you deploy 20,000 men into one single war zone like Nigeria.

Sure you will look like Congolese rebels
.

Every Battlion in SA keeps there own gear at there battlion exept for a few reserve force units who due to space keep there stuff at depos,training ground or permant force bases but by stuff I mean there heavy wepaons like AFV. But let's look at that claim


2000+ border patrol
1200+ DRC
800+ sudan
1500+ at seboka

5500 sa solders and all of them have battel jackets and full list of squad wepaons, vechlies, radios extra. In fact this Seboka was smaller than others snce it was traing for the intervenstion force. Othe Sebokas have seen 100 pkus APCs and 100 plus IFV and just under 100 other AFV for only 2 batllions. 1 SA mech battlion puts more IFV in play than the nigerian army has IFV.

agaugust:


Simple, the order was shifted to Russia.

According to your own respected South African sources, Nigeria is buying 40 Russian Mi-35 Hind and Mi-171s Terminator combat helicopters

.

I like how you say M17 combat helcopter when it is just a transport chopper. Sure you can mount rockets on it. But you can fit rocket pods to any thing. Libya stuck rockets pods on to a freaking sedan car.

agaugust:



Sure you will look like Congolese rebels
.

Those rebels look better than your troops. They have Camo, lots of ammo, radios, suport wepaons galor. Hell congo rebels are probaly better trained than nigerian solders. They are better motivated that is for sure.

agaugust:


South African army has NEVER deployed more than 4,000 soldiers in a war zone in the last 60 years so we don't know how well armed you will be when you deploy 20,000 men into one single war zone like Nigeria.

Sure you will look like Congolese rebels
.

What kind of logic is this?

We have standardized everything, so every-company has the exact same gear.

Every soldier and every battalion will look the same.

agaugust:


Simple, the order was shifted to Russia.

According to your own respected South African sources, Nigeria is buying 40 Russian Mi-35 Hind and Mi-171s Terminator combat helicopters

.

The majority of which are Mi-171 transports, according to our own sources

andrewza:


I like how you say M17 combat helcopter when it is just a transport chopper. Sure you can mount rockets on it. But you can fit rocket pods to any thing. Libya stuck rockets pods on to a freaking sedan car.

Just like we attached rockets to the Oryx

AugustineAgain:


No need, Nigeria has ALL infantry weapon class that SANDF has, from Rifle to AGL.

Well for us, evry bullet counts, one enemy one bullet, SANDF wastes their own

See how we nailed this Boko driver through his windsheild.....one naija bullet works like 10 saffer bullets
.

Nigeria has no

1.Anti-material sniper rifles.
2.Rifle grenades.
3.Long range mortars.
4.DM rifles.
5.Anti tank-missiles.
6.Anti-mine/clearing systems.

Should I continue?

Your soldiers aren't highly trained,so don't present them as being highly skilled marksmen.

Patchesagain:


Zimbabweans now also live in destitute poverty - 72% of their population

Zimbabweans now also have 80% unemployment - 94% in 2008

Zimbabweans now flee by their millions in search of work and food in South Africa (2muchIrony4me)

Zimbabweans enjoyed hyper inflation of 200 000 000%

Zimbabweans now no longer have their own currency

Zimbabwe is now rife with Cholera and other diseases

Zimbabwe is now an international Pariah and even the Chinese (their only allys) try to keep a distance (superficially)

Yeah, worked out great didnt it!! We should all totally do it!! We can all starve and die of disease on our tiny patches of land!!

LOL at "Tiny patches of land".

Henry120:


Na we don't claim.

We wanted to get AH-1w's from israel, the americans blocked it, we instead went for 12 additional up-graded MI-35 helicopters from belarus. No sweat.

And dummy, the CH-46 are for the Navy, not the Airforce.

You should be more concerned about purchasing aviation fuel for your Airforce.

"Weapons acquired during the 1999 arms deal are not being used and are becoming derelict, the Seriti Commission of Inquiry heard on Tuesday [October 7].

[b] “With regards to the 30 Augusta helicopters purchased from Italy, I am informed that many of them are in storage and unused or rotting at Ysterplaat Air Force Base in Cape Town,”

You're getting NOTHING!!! Stop dreaming.

1.Again you present a quote from a man,who's credibility is being shredded.

2.Who informed him? Some fairy?

A. Air force base Ysterplaat is home to 22 squadron and 35 squadron,only the former operates helicopter.

B. Helicopters based there are Denel Oryx and the Super Lynx for maritime duties. NO A109s.

3. 30 helicopters? He doesn't remember the crashed one?

4. He didn't see the A109s at the Air force demonstration in September? Oh he also failed to see them at the AAD14?

5. Well I guess that what happens when you rely on newspapers as your sources.

6. Your knowledge is limited to this articles? What a shame.

7. Mike..ZA will humble YOU!!!!!!!

NaijaPikinGidi:
The actual story of electricity for all in South Africa. In deed all South Africans enjoy electricity and they know how to confirm the great situation.

See link below:

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http://drum.co.za/news/why-i-showed-my-bum-to-the-police/

Don't you even see that South Africans are by far more better than Nigerians in terms of electricity supply. Woojooo!!!

Henry120:


Poverty rate in Nigeria is 33%.

In south-Africa,

85% of blacks live in poverty
White households make 10times the amount of black households
7% of the population run 90% of the economy.
7% of the minority white control 100% of the defence industry.

The world's most un-equal country.

You are living in Disney land where you are forever enjoying life with your ferry queens.

My friend, GDP per capita tells a different story between the two countries. Generally, life is better in SA than that in Naija.

leofab:
United State of America bought drones from Israel ? So what?

. So what?

Israel is one of the world leaders in UAV tech.

leofab:
United State of America bought drones from Israel ? So what?

. So what?

Israel is one of the world leaders in UAV tech.

agaugust:


Simple, the order was shifted to Russia.

According to your own respected South African sources, Nigeria is buying 40 Russian Mi-35 Hind and Mi-171s Terminator combat helicopters

.

Keep dreaming.

You're not buying those since SA will continue seizing your money.

GEJ will soon ask for more money.

Patchesagain:


Just like we attached rockets to the Oryx

Those aren't rockets but Ingwe missile pods.

But are now changed the missiles aren't carried in pods no more,as seen in the Iraqi helicopters. Which SA integrated the missiles.

Msauza:





Don't you even see that South Africans are by far more better than Nigerians in terms of electricity supply. Woojooo!!!

They are always trying to make themselves feel better by projecting on S.A.

We live better here down south & that's an undisputed troof.

I know this Nigerian lady who has been living here for 10+ years. Both of her children were born here in South Africa. Ada, her oldest, couldn't cope on her first visit to Nigeria, the parents had to cut the trip short because both children were crying to return home. The mother tries to laugh it off now, but you can sense that the rejection of her country by her own children cuts deep. It hurts. Children don't front the way adults do, they call a spade a bleeping spade.

They can continue to live in the land of rainbows & lollipops concerning their country, but the fact is, anyone used to living elsewhere, would find Naija very depressing to live in.

Ada's mother now uses Naija to scare off her children. "Ada eat or I'll take you to Nigeria" I find it funny & sad at the same time.

MikeZA:
Those aren't rockets but Ingwe missile pods.

But are now changed the missiles aren't carried in pods no more,as seen in the Iraqi helicopters. Which SA integrated the missiles.

The sytem could carry rockets to though. It really not hard and if you look at the broucher for the A109 you see it to can carry wepaons from rockets, autocans to missiels. ATE(now parmount) even makes the weapons. Of course as soon as you put wepaons on a transport ou take away fromit's transport abliety.

Us black hawk with rockets and missiels.
[img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcREsiAuMjondBuGIxuln4VvI9fs9razHIj5--y9FzUPJoxLvk99a-5lmoNN[/img]

Notice how they don't use these in combat though. Attack choppers are better.

LaBellaMafiaZA:


They are always trying to make themselves feel better by projecting on S.A.

We live better here down south & that's an undisputed troof.

I know this Nigerian lady who has been living here for 10+ years. Both of her children were born here in South Africa. Ada, her oldest, couldn't cope on her first visit to Nigeria, the parents had to cut the trip short because both children were crying to return home. The mother tries to laugh it off now, but you can sense that the rejection of her country by her own children cuts deep. It hurts. Children don't front the way adults do, they call a spade a bleeping spade.

They can continue to live in the land of rainbows & lollipops concerning their country, but the fact is, anyone used to living elsewhere, would find Naija very depressing to live in.

Ada's mother now uses Naija to scare off her children. "Ada eat or I'll take you to Nigeria" I find it funny & sad at the same time.

I know a person from the neathlands who lived in nigeria for work. Even though it was for the goverment and she got nice accomdastion she would not like to return.