Patchesagain:


You guys remeber that formation we spent $400 million on during exercises?

ANC looted most of the money. South Africa has joined the African corruption club in grand style
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agaugust:



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"In an article on the BBC website, 3rd May, it is claimed that there is a mass return to South Africa by Expats, in what appears to be an almost whitewash of the true situation, with many stunned cries of disbelief and foul play reverberating on Social Media.

Based solely on an unsubstantiated claim by Homecoming Revolution, a company whose business it is to encourage ex South Africans (aka SAFFA’s) to return to SA, that some 340,000 have returned to SA in the last decade, the BRITISH journalist, who has only been in South Africa for 10 years, is happy to provide 3 or 4 almost “to good to be true” examples. In fact, it appears one of these “examples” is the CEO and Founder of the Homecoming Revolution company itself!

As a service to would be returnee’s and visitors, who could be taken in by this irresponsible reporting, we thought it would be prudent to take off the BBC (rose) coloured glasses and inject some cold hard realities.

A simple visit to the Gov.UK Foreign Travel Advice centre includes statements like:

South Africa has a very high level of crime, including rape and murder. (It mentions how this is mostly in townships yet the BBC article proudly boasts that one of the “returnees” works in the Township of Kayalitsha!).
Incidents of vehicle hi-jacking and robbery are common, particularly after dark.
The standard of driving in South Africa can vary greatly and there are many fatal accidents every year.
There has been an increase in strike action in South Africa and some demonstrations have turned violent. This could continue in the run-up to elections in 2014.

The 2012 UNAIDS Report on the Global AIDS Epidemic estimated that around 5,700,000 adults aged 15 or over in South Africa were living with HIV; the prevalence percentage was estimated at around 17.9 of the adult population compared to the prevalence percentage rate in adults in the UK of around 0.2%. You should exercise normal precautions to avoid exposure to HIV/AIDS. There is no reciprocal health care agreement between the United Kingdom and South Africa.

There is a high incidence of credit card fraud and fraud involving ATMs.

There is an underlying threat from terrorism.

There is a hint in the small and almost reluctant admission that around one in six returnees end up leaving again. There is also the typical, and expected, repudiation of the impact of Affirmative Action that we have come to expect from a left leaning mass media News Company like BBC.

Well, if I was of the ilk of that journalist, I would leave the story there and send it to print confidently knowing my editor would consider it valid and politically correct. Job done!

However, let’s look a bit deeper. All it takes a couple of keystrokes.

No mention is made at all of all those fairly serious precautions regarding crime and health given on the UK.gov Foreign Office website cited above.

No mention is made of the fact that South Africa is rated 5 on the GenocideWatch website, having been moved down from 6, which is one step from actual genocide atrocities, last year.



No mention is made of the fact that it is, statistically, the most dangerous job in the whole world, of all professions, to be a white farmer in South Africa.

No mention is made of the fact that racist laws implemented by the ANC regime, to exclude whites from the workplace, have in fact just recently been extended and strengthened. These include access to educational institutions where top “straight A” students are denied places in favour of less well performing blacks, which are now called “FreeBorns” having been born into and schooled in post apartheid SA.

No mention of the fact that if, as an entrepreneur (which one assumes is the target market), you want to start a business in South Africa, you have to give 25% of it to a black shareholder (recently upgraded from 20%) by law.

No mention of dozens of reports in recent months alone of foreigners being slaughtered and raped in brutal fashion.

No mention of police implication in many crimes, including “recreational” rape.

Then there is the deluge of reaction this article has received on Social Networking sites like Facebook and especially in certain groups of users mostly in South Africa, but also from USA, UK, etc.

Without fail comment after comment expresses shock with claims that this BBC article is a “total lie”, a “fabrication”, “leftist propaganda”, “Pre Election propaganda” on behalf of the disgraced and corrupt ANC and the publicly derided and often booed Jacob Zuma.

They unreservedly deny that a mass return is even taking place, and furthermore that it is irresponsible to even suggest that it is safe to return, especially for whites!

So much so that one these groups, with 3,000 members, which was started by Christians from America, who want to highlight and spread awareness of the white genocide taking place in South Africa, and the accompanying media blackout that surrounds this “politically incorrect” topic, have launched a campaign to complain to the BBC, UNESCO, UN, Human Rights commission in SA, and anyone else who will listen, about the danger of this superficial almost advertorial “report” with no consideration to facts.

There is another group, Boere Krisis in Aksie (BKA), entirely dedicated to the farm murders with almost 10,000 members as well as a Facebook page with over 91,400 Likes!

More telling, is a group started as a call to boycott the Afrikaans monopoly mass media organisation, (Naspers), for their media blackout and denial of this “politically incorrect” hot potato. This group has amassed 22,500 members!

Another group called SAFFA Nation Without a State for a BondStaat has started a campaign called “Deed for a deed” whereby every time there is a murder and rape of a white farmer or a home invasion, which is daily, the members are encouraged to respond to that deed by doing some pro-active deed towards attaining self determination (secession) for the “currently disadvantaged” european minority in SA.

No mention of the heated arguments going on in the SA media about verification and fabrication of stats. It is well regarded that stats given out by the government are entirely fabricated and most people refer to independent sources for information. Sites like Farmitracker and AfriCheck have sprung up as a result.

We could go on ad-infinitum citing examples and facts with many many horrific stories and facts of unspeakable brutality against innocent civilians sometime well into their 80’s!

…and we do not have to resort to using staff as an example!

Finally, this company, Homecoming Revolution which was started in 2003 by this Ad Exec, who was one example cited in the article, worked for M&C Saatchi in London and went back to South Africa to start M&C Saatchi in 1996. A quick look at their client list and there can be no doubt her, and her team of mostly female executives, obviously know how to pull the punters in. Many of these listed are major government organisations, like ESKOM, the national electricity provider, who are not allowed, by law, to hire white staff. A well known campaign by the SA government is its “Brand SA” and LeadSA campaigns. This same story has been repeated in South African Newspaper the star and online Mail & Guardian who even claim a larger amount, 359,000 have returned since 2008! That is over 5,000 per month! We demand to now where this figure comes from….

One can find videos on Youtube of SA Ambassadors almost begging South Africa’s brains, mostly whites, to return to rebuild the country. Rebuild? Has it been destroyed in the last 20 years then? Also denied. These very people they chased away with their lack of respect for the rights of minorities and their racist legislation. Rewind 20 years, and the BBC was at the absolute crest of the Mandela wave riding high on the legend they created. It appears that just like the Russian Revolution, the Socialists and liberals have once again got it wrong…"

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Posting more opinion peices?

Nice

Pity no one gives a fvck

Patchesagain:


AFISMA is subservient to the French and MINUSMA

Where the French part of AFISMA? It's a simple question.

andrewza:


Those rebels look better than your troops. They have Camo, lots of ammo, radios, suport wepaons galor. Hell congo rebels are probaly better trained than nigerian solders. They are better motivated that is for sure.

Kindly post a source to prove ALL the above. Thanks
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agaugust:


ANC looted most of the money. South Africa has joined the African corruption club in grand style
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And yet South Africa is one of the least corrupt nations in the developing world (NIC's and 3rd World Nations), Nigeria is one of the worst
http://www.transparency.org/country#ZAF

While a seperate source ranks as follows:

South Africa: 55th in the world
Nigeria: 120th in the world (out of 148 countries)
http://www.worldaudit.org/corruption.htm


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Patchesagain:


Posting more opinion peices?

Nice

Pity no one gives a fvck

This is were you are wrong. I do give a Fvck. Many of us here also do, as it represents the accurate sad state of your military.

agaugust:


Kindly post a source to prove ALL the above. Thanks
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Congolese army is about as well equipped as the Nigerian Army

Henry120:


This is were you are wrong. I do give a Fvck. Many of us here also do, as it represents the accurate sad state of your military.

Somebody doesnt understand the difference between opinion and fact

Not surprised

Just because it complies with your world veiw does not mean it is true

MikeZA:
Nigeria has no

1.Anti-material sniper rifles.
2.Rifle grenades.
3.Long range mortars.
4.DM rifles.
5.Anti tank-missiles.
6.Anti-mine/clearing systems.

Should I continue?

Your soldiers aren't highly trained,so don't present them as being highly skilled marksmen.

Nigeria has all those things you listed, most have been shown in photos, except number 1.

Rifle grenades are in tens of thousands in Nigerian army FN FAL in stock plenty plenty surplus surplus.

You show us South African army amphibious armoured vehicles, just show us one only

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agaugust:


Nigeria has all those things you listed, most have been shown in photos, except number 1.

Rifle grenades are in tens of thousands in Nigerian army FN FAL in stock plenty plenty surplus surplus.

You show us South African army amphibious armoured vehicles, just show us one only

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You mean you dont have 1, 2, 6, 4

And, again, amphibious armored vehicles are pointless and death-traps.

As we have shown in combat against the Cubans and Angolans.

MikeZA:
Yes,it was a prototype of the Rooivalk.

Attack helicopters are always better.

Helicopter is helicopter, Mighty Apaches get shot down
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agaugust:


Helicopter is helicopter, Mighty Apaches get shot down
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One.

One Apache shot down in Combat in over 11 years of continuous war.

77 Hind shot down during the shorter Russian war in Afghanistan.


And no, a helicopter is not a helicopter.

Patchesagain:


Somebody doesnt understand the difference between opinion and fact

Not surprised

Just because it complies with your world veiw does not mean it is true

You said no one gives a Fvck, I said, actually, I do, now you're going all emotional, like a give a fvck.

Dummy

Henry120:


You said no one gives a Fvck, I said, actually, I do, now you're going all emotional, like a give a fvck.

Dummy

Not getting emotional

Just pointing out your lack of objective reasoning.

Patchesagain:


Maybe it’s because everybody is singing its praises from the UN to a number of other “interested” countries. While he keeps mum about whom the latter might be, he says any orders from abroad would ensure that this magnificent flying machine might just grace the skies in a few more countries…

http://www.aafonline.co.za/column/erika-gibson-column-rooivalk-resuscitated

I asked for a UN source and you reply me with a South African website....

You sure you okay upstairs ?

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agaugust:


I asked for a UN source and you reply me with a South African website....

You sure you okay upstairs ?

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How about a quote from the man himself

The combat support helicopter has earned high praise from Martin Kobler, MONUSCO head.

“Its accuracy enables us to achieve our clear objectives, including protection of civilians.”
http://rpdefense.over-blog.com/tag/rooivalk/

Patchesagain:


And his boss is South African

#WhoIsLeadingWho?

Civilians don't lead soldiers on battle field. Ban Ki Moon is not leading FIB forces in Congo
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Patchesagain:


Gun and uniform?

lol, just show us you live in America. Lair.

I am never in a hurry

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agaugust:


I am never in a hurry

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#SideStep

Until you prove it, you shall be deemed a liar of the highest order.

Congratulations on your new title

agaugust:


Civilians don't lead soldiers on battle field. Ban Ki Moon is not leading FIB forces in Congo
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Is his boss South African or not?

FIB doesnt do sh1t unless Ban Ki Moon gives it the nod.

Patchesagain:


No, you have one or two MGL's, they are not in common service, and no known AGL's in service with your infantry. You guys dont even have rifle grenades for godness sakes.

And we were robbed because of the ROE that existed at the time. Zambians were also robbed. If we arent allowed to shoot, what are we supposed to do?

and we are involved in the only offensive peacekeeping operation in the world.

And they didnt steal any armor, you clod.

Yes, ordinary Sudanese robbers stripped SANDF of their body armour and guns in daylight....armour

SANDF has only two MGLs and only one AGL recycled in photos.

Nigerian AGL photos have been repeated here enough.

Nigeria has AK-47 rifle grenades and photos posted on SiriusBlacks thread showing current use against Bokos.

FN-FAL has rifle grenade mode, Nigeria used them a lot in Biafran war. We just limited FN FAL to NDA use for now, we tens of thousands of them in stock.

It looks special to you? It is an old time thing, even in the hands of civilans

Patchesagain:


How about a quote from the man himself

The combat support helicopter has earned high praise from Martin Kobler, MONUSCO head.

“Its accuracy enables us to achieve our clear objectives, including protection of civilians.”

http://rpdefense.over-blog.com/tag/rooivalk/

Your new source is a mere blog, or does UN operate via a blog?

....and you complain about beegeagle when we post it, now you post an unknown blog here.

You are more siick than I thought

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Patchesagain:


Is his boss South African or not?

FIB doesnt do sh1t unless Ban Ki Moon gives it the nod.

....and Ban Ki Moon is on battlefield leading the combat operations for UN forces ?

IINSANITY
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Patchesagain:


One.

One Apache shot down in Combat in over 11 years of continuous war.

77 Hind shot down during the shorter Russian war in Afghanistan.


And no, a helicopter is not a helicopter.

Helicopters are helicopter, all vulnerable when air defense is present.

More Hinds shot down than Apache because more Hinds have fought in wars around the world long before Apache woke up from sleep
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agaugust:


SANDF has only two MGLs and only one AGL recycled in photos.

Nigerian AGL photos have been repeated here enough.

Nigeria has AK-47 rifle grenades and photos posted on SiriusBlacks thread showing current use against Bokos.

FN-FAL has rifle grenade mode, Nigeria used them a lot in Biafran war. We just limited FN FAL to NDA use for now, we tens of thousands of them in stock.

It looks special to you? It is an old time thing, even in the hands of civilans

Thats Hichkock45, so no, he is not your average civilian.

No photos of AGL's in service with your infantry have ever been posted

No, you dont have any rifle grenades.

Y3 AGL is fully introduced into all Infantry Companies in the SANDF
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3493&Itemid=176


And we are spending R 3,4 million upgrade the Milkor MGL... thats allot of money to spend on two MGLS

The SA Army is also spending about R3.4 million to upgrade its stock of Milkor Y2 multiple grenade launchers (MGL). It has been using an early variant of the Milkor the six-shot grenade revolver since the mid-1980s. More than 30 000 of the Multiple Grenade Launcher systems designed and manufactured by the SA based Milkor are used in more than 30 countries worldwide.
http://www.bdlive.co.za/articles/2010/03/17/sandf-to-spend-r30-million-on-upgrading-r4r5

So there you have it, Y3 AGL and Milkor Y2 MGL are in complete service with the entire SANDF

Now show us proof that you have AGL's and MGLs and rifle-grenades in full service in the NA

agaugust:


Your new source is a mere blog, or does UN operate via a blog?

....and you complain about beegeagle when we post it, now you post an unknown blog here.

You are more siick than I thought

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Its a quote from Martin Kobler himself.

So he is the source, information is simply listed on a blog.

agaugust:


....and Ban Ki Moon is on battlefield leading the combat operations for UN forces ?

IINSANITY
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Never said he was.

But he leads the Chain of Command that leads the FIB

FIB would not exist if he did not want it to.
FIB would cease to exist if he wanted it to.

Much like your man takes orders from a certain South African woman

agaugust:


Helicopters are helicopter, all vulnerable when air defense is present.

More Hinds shot down than Apache because more Hinds have fought in wars around the world long before Apache woke up from sleep
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No jackass.

74 Hind were lost in Afghanistan alone

Apache is better suited to operating in high and low intensity battle-spaces than the Hind, same with other attack helo's.

This is because of the way they operate in the battle space, hovering versus "gun runs"

agaugust:


You sound more like your world is only rocked with a Plastic V.i.b.r.a.t.o.r

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Ermergherd! Like, really? I swear, this guy wants me *purrs*

Such an old ass post! I'm not in the mood to argue, it's too hot outside. Come here, lemme me give you b00b slaps

Msauza:




For your information SA has the most millionaires than any country in Africa. Our lottery produce millionaires every month. Apart from that we always had concentration of millionaires than any country in Africa. Our wealth among citizens is spread evenly even though is not racially equal, for I know is the argument you will bring. SA does not individuals who runs the show alone through monopoly capital like DANGOTE.

lottery millionaires are not counted because the money do not last. Easy come-easy go. There are lots of lottery agencies and programmes all over Nigeria but they are not considered.

Patchesagain:


Thats Hichkock45, so no, he is not your average civilian.

No photos of AGL's in service with your infantry have ever been posted

No, you dont have any rifle grenades.

Y3 AGL is fully introduced into all Infantry Companies in the SANDF
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3493&Itemid=176


And we are spending R 3,4 million upgrade the Milkor MGL... thats allot of money to spend on two MGLS

The SA Army is also spending about R3.4 million to upgrade its stock of Milkor Y2 multiple grenade launchers (MGL). It has been using an early variant of the Milkor the six-shot grenade revolver since the mid-1980s. More than 30 000 of the Multiple Grenade Launcher systems designed and manufactured by the SA based Milkor are used in more than 30 countries worldwide.
http://www.bdlive.co.za/articles/2010/03/17/sandf-to-spend-r30-million-on-upgrading-r4r5

So there you have it, Y3 AGL and Milkor Y2 MGL are in complete service with the entire SANDF

Now show us proof that you have AGL's and MGLs and rifle-grenades in full service in the NA

Smells like just another Mokopa propaganda

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LaBellaMafiaZA:


Ermergherd! Like, really? I swear, this guy wants me *purrs*

Such an old ass post! I'm not in the mood to argue, it's too hot outside. Come here, lemme me give you b00b slaps

Really? For free?

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