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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 9:40am On Oct 14, 2014
agaugust:


Nigeria has all those things you listed, most have been shown in photos, except number 1.

Rifle grenades are in tens of thousands in Nigerian army FN FAL in stock plenty plenty surplus surplus.

You show us South African army amphibious armoured vehicles, just show us one only grin grin

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Show us a Nigerian army mine clearing charge system.


Show us Nigerian anti-material rifles....................
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 9:42am On Oct 14, 2014
agaugust:



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Envy can give you high blood pressure. Butt Hurt grin grin

See South Africa face very weak threats, that are far inferior to Boko Haram grin grin


"A group of South African soldiers was robbed in South Sudan during a peacekeeping mission, the SA Navy said on Thursday.

"There was no loss of life, but some of their equipment was taken away from them," Captain Jaco Theunissen told Sapa.

He said the troops were on a convoy when they were ambushed on Saturday."

http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2014/02/13/sa-soldiers-robbed.-in-south-sudan?filter=all_comments

Consequence of almost ZERO war experience and always sitting down in homeland, at ease grin grin

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Blame UN ROE for us getting robbed

If you aren't allowed to shoot the robbers what are you supposed to do?

And btw, last I checked your army was in the midst of mutiny, warcrimes, loss of multiple towns and unable to stop sectarian violence

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 9:43am On Oct 14, 2014
agaugust:


Helicopter is helicopter, Mighty Apaches get shot down
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An attack helicopter is better or different,in terms of manoeuvrability,agility,sensors,weapons payload etc.

Effective VS Capable.

A sword is capable of killing a man,but a gun is more effective?

GET IT?

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 9:43am On Oct 14, 2014
MikeZA:
Show us a Nigerian army mine clearing charge system.


Show us Nigerian anti-material rifles....................

He should all so show us a nigerian rifel grenade well he at it. Just because he has a rifel that can use them does not mean they in serves.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 9:44am On Oct 14, 2014
agaugust:


Civilians don't lead soldiers on battle field. Ban Ki Moon is not leading FIB forces in Congo
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Yes,similar to how the FIB commander isn't leading troops on the battlefield.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 9:58am On Oct 14, 2014
patches689:


Blame UN ROE for us getting robbed

If you aren't allowed to shoot the robbers what are you supposed to do?

And btw, last I checked your army was in the midst of mutiny, warcrimes, loss of multiple towns and unable to stop sectarian violence
Also the radios used,units at times can't communicate with the UN Mission HQ.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ThaVluit: 10:32am On Oct 14, 2014
Today we were told by Nigerians that Al Qaeda used Nigerians to kill Nigerians. Embarassing.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 10:45am On Oct 14, 2014
agaugust:
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[size=16pt]Nigerian army defeating Boko Haram as Africa's Gaint unleashes dreaded military might

Soon to set record of fastest defeat of Al-Qaeda/Taliban supported militancy in the world

Nigerian army emerging the current best army in the world by achievements

As NA destroys Boko Haram's force cohesion using rare world class tactics [/size]

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"Boko Haram losing grip
DAVID MOLOMO, YOLA
Sunday, October 12, 2014



Boko Haram losing grip
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- Deserter reveals how leadership vacuum, internal squabble, hunger, desertion by members made Adamawa military exploit possible


Indications abound that the Nigerian troops are getting upper hand against the Boko Haram sect.


Saturday Sun authoritatively gathered that recent breakthroughs by the Nigerian troops is also informed by the demise of a prominent leader of the insurgents, after the death of Abubakar Shekau at Konduga in Borno State. It is suggested that the weakening of the sect also results from power tussle amongst those who are jostling to lead the gang. The development, which our sources said, has led to internecine squabble even among the rank and file in the Boko Haram camp.


It will be recalled that, as a result of the friction, which culminated in the fierce battle within their ranks and the death of over 30 insurgents in the process, succession palaver, is also said to have informed the new development. In the circumstances, it would seem that things have begun to fall apart with the terror group.


Coupled with all that is the apparent disenchantment by those that were forcefully recruited. For example, there were hundreds that were recruited in Michika and Madagali localities of Adamawa State. According to one of them who deserted the group recently, they were mostly natives who were used by the insurgents to identify houses of prominent figures in government in the two localities and their environs.


Some of the indigenes, who were rescued from captivity during an interaction with Saturday Sun, maintained that the recent military breakthroughs were made possible because the cohesion that once existed within the group has begun to weaken and, therefore, the centre is beginning to bottom out.


The recruited natives, who claimed that they were hypnotized by the insurgents toward assisting in dishing out vital information, took the advantage of these recent breakthroughs of the troops to escape to Mubi and Yola, the state capital.


Aliu Dauda, one of those that escaped, relayed his experience in the camp to Saturday Sun. He said that many of them that were recruited were did not join on their volition. According to him, they hypnotized, using certain liquid substances.


"Most youths in Michika were forcefully recruited to join the gang, first as subsidiary staff. Failure to do their bidding attracted lashes or being shot in the leg or confined in an underground detention camp.


"We served as informants and any attempt to give out false information will be punished severely. The fact remains that we were placed under a spell, which made it possible for us to obey them. We discovered that we were doing everything they told us without complaints.


"I thank God that I survived and now in the midst of our kinsmen who have helped us to recover from the after effect of our abduction," Dauda enthused.


Adding, he said: "Those that forcefully recruited us do not have human feelings. While we were in their midst, we could not resist whatever they told us because a liquid substance was given to us."


When asked how he was able to escape, he said that, "first and foremost, there were disagreement and disenchantment between the rank and file of the gang and our supposed leaders. Those of us that were newly recruited five months ago, had to escape when it was apparent that Nigerian troops were having an edge over the Boko Haram sect.


"At the stage we were, we weren't given arms and ammunitions but rather our assignments were to give out information and identify locations and targets for destruction. We had not graduated to that stage; those recruited in Konduga and Gwoza were our seniors in the business of killing. We that were forcefully recruited in Gulak, Madagali and Michika, were considered not mature or trained to handle weapons or take charge of ammunition."


Dauda disclosed to Saturday Sun that hunger and starvation in the camp of the gang immensely contributed to the breakthroughs recorded by the Nigerian side. "As a result of hunger and starvation, the gang allowed the newly recruited to search everywhere for food. We were given this assignment because we are familiar with the localities. We had no choice but to break into people's houses who are our kinsmen to get raw food. Besides, houses of prominent persons in Michika were taken over by the sect."


Army recovers more towns, arms and ammunition


In recent times, Nigerian troops' successes over the insurgents have reverberated, especially with the capture of two armoured tanks belonging to the sect. Apart from serious casualty figures recorded by the group, the Nigerian military has also captured a massive armoury with arms and ammunitions belonging to the fleeing terrorists.


"The large quantities of weapons recovered in the raid are still being evacuated from the scene of the night raid where several terrorists died," Major General Chris Olukolade, the defence spokesman said recently. He added: "Similar operations took place in coordination with the troops of Multinational Joint Task Force in the raids in other camps located on the outskirts of Duguri, Polkime, Malafatori and other locations around the fringes of Lake Chad."


He also revealed that substantial amounts of "money in different currencies and denominations were recovered from the camps, while a total of seven terrorists were captured in the operation."


The statement also gave an update on the foiled attack on Giwa Barrack in Maiduguri, Olukolade had said: "Troops conducting cordon and search for remnants of the daring terrorists who attacked Giwa Barracks in Maiduguri, had an encounter with some of the surviving terrorists in the general area of Kayamla and Alu Dam on the outskirts of Maiduguri this morning. More of the terrorists have been killed and arrested in the ongoing encounters.


He added that more bodies of fleeing terrorists had been discovered along the routes of their escape. Troops' morale and fighting spirit have been further boosted by the outcome of the operations so far, he said, adding that cordon-and-search as well as patrols and pursuit by air and land were continuing in the entire mission area of Borno, Yobe and Adamawa states.


http://odili.net/news/source/2014/oct/12/504.html

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Don't be too forward, I will remind you when another attack is unleashed on your people.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 10:51am On Oct 14, 2014
agaugust:



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Envy can give you high blood pressure. Butt Hurt grin grin

See South Africa face very weak threats, that are far inferior to Boko Haram grin grin


"A group of South African soldiers was robbed in South Sudan during a peacekeeping mission, the SA Navy said on Thursday.

"There was no loss of life, but some of their equipment was taken away from them," Captain Jaco Theunissen told Sapa.

He said the troops were on a convoy when they were ambushed on Saturday."

http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2014/02/13/sa-soldiers-robbed.-in-south-sudan?filter=all_comments

Consequence of almost ZERO war experience and always sitting down in homeland, at ease grin grin

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SOUTH AFRICAAAAAA!!!!!

BOKO HARAM ROBBED NIGERIA MANY A TIMES AT THEIR HOME GROUND AND ZERO KILOMETRES FROM HOME SOIL.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 11:00am On Oct 14, 2014
agaugust:


Nigeria has all those things you listed, most have been shown in photos, except number 1.

Rifle grenades are in tens of thousands in Nigerian army FN FAL in stock plenty plenty surplus surplus.

You show us South African army amphibious armoured vehicles, just show us one only grin grin

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Nigeria has none of those weapons that @mike has listed. Period!!! Can you refresh our minds if you have ever attached pics of them before? I just don't believe Nigeria has those.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 11:11am On Oct 14, 2014
lezz:
lottery millionaires are not counted because the money do not last. Easy come-easy go. There are lots of lottery agencies and programmes all over Nigeria but they are not considered.



Who said that. Your reasoning is subjective and does not amount to making sense at all. The fact remains, lottery SA turns many South Africans into millionaires every month. SA HAS THE MOST MILLIONAIRES ON THE CONTINENT WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 11:14am On Oct 14, 2014
agaugust:


Nigeria has MGLs too.

South African soldiers were robbed by thugs in Sudan who dispossessed SANDF of their weapons and armour grin grin

Why do we always find Nigerian soldiers in the hottest war zones on earth, while we find South African soldiers where only armed robber class of conflict exists ?

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A BLOODY TOY COMPARED TO MILKOR
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 11:32am On Oct 14, 2014
Msauza:
SOLDIERS TAKE THEIR LIVES IN FEAR OF BEING DEPLOYED TO FIGHT BOKO HARAM.

http://www.tribune.com.ng/news/news-headlines/item/18502-soldiers-shoot-selves-to-avoid-deployment-to-boko-haram-communities

RATHER END UP WITH A BULLET WOUND THAN HAVING YOUR HEAD CHOPPED OFF.
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 11:42am On Oct 14, 2014
agaugust:


It actually showed something for it to be ranked biggest
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Yes, just the figures.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 11:49am On Oct 14, 2014
agaugust:


Submarine is NOT = OPV

Anyway, South Africa has no fuel to sustain anti-piracy missions beyond Angola, except if your engines run on Coca Cola grin grin
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You seem to forget that SA government is 3X richer than Nigerian government in revenues. So, we can afford more fuel that Nigeria won't be able to afford.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:50am On Oct 14, 2014
patches689:


And so?

i know all about the stingers

Fact remains:

Apache losses: 1
Hind losses: 74

Hind confirmed for terrible attack helicopter

Why? Can't hover4shit

No, you do not know anything about MANPADS.

The Hinds were brought down by Manpads used by the mujahedeen. If the tables were turned the casualty rate of Apaches would be the same.

The Hind can hover just as well as another helicopter.

Your paltry 10 90% french helicopters won't be able to stand Manpads either.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:55am On Oct 14, 2014
MikeZA:
13 000 DEAD!!!!

Your military is failing.

There are Nigerian students in SA,that's normal.

There are no nigerian military students in South-Africa, what is there to learn from a poorly motivated, poorly trained bunch of followers who cannot take responsibility for their failures.

Should I also post the number of violent murders in South-Africa, you are the worst in the world. A person is 10 times more likely to be murdered in the streets of RSA than in Nigeria.

FACT!

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 11:56am On Oct 14, 2014
agaugust:


Yes, ordinary Sudanese robbers stripped SANDF of their body armour and guns in daylight....armour grin grin

SANDF has only two MGLs and only one AGL recycled in photos.

Nigerian AGL photos have been repeated here enough.

Nigeria has AK-47 rifle grenades and photos posted on SiriusBlacks thread showing current use against Bokos.

FN-FAL has rifle grenade mode, Nigeria used them a lot in Biafran war. We just limited FN FAL to NDA use for now, we tens of thousands of them in stock.

It looks special to you? It is an old time thing, even in the hands of civilans grin grin





Nigerian troops attacked by just mere robbers.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/north-central/168311-nigerian-troops-not-attacked-by-terrorists-in-kogi-army.html

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:57am On Oct 14, 2014
MikeZA:
which of those countries have experience using helicopters in the "hot and high" conditions found in Africa?

It is sad pigeon,YOU SAID!!!!!!

India
Pakistan
Parts of Mexico Brazil and Colombia, all have climates similar to the conditions in Africa. The middle east has an even worse climate.

Your point is?

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 11:58am On Oct 14, 2014
Henry120:


There are no nigerian military students in South-Africa, what is there to learn from a poorly motivated, poorly trained bunch of followers who cannot take responsibility for their failures.

Should I also post the number of violent murders in South-Africa, you are the worst in the world. A person is 10 times more likely to be murdered in the streets of RSA than in Nigeria.

FACT!


In Nigeria is even worse than in SA. I rather live in a crime ridden country than in a country marred by terrorism, where humans are beheaded and bombed everywhere.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 12:02pm On Oct 14, 2014
Henry120:


No, you do not know anything about MANPADS.

The Hinds were brought down by Manpads used by the mujahedeen. If the tables were turned the casualty rate of Apaches would be the same.

The Hind can hover just as well as another helicopter.

Your paltry 10 90% french helicopters won't be able to stand Manpads either.




FACTS ARE FACTS, DONT TWIST IT AROUND. HINDS HAVE MANY DEATHS OR DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT STATEMENT?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 12:03pm On Oct 14, 2014
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 12:11pm On Oct 14, 2014
Msauza:




Who said that. Your reasoning is subjective and does not amount to making sense at all. The fact remains, lottery SA turns many South Africans into millionaires every month. SA HAS THE MOST MILLIONAIRES ON THE CONTINENT WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
i still think your assertions amount to self-patronization. SA's millionaires are significantly white and Nigeria's millionaires are more than the entire population of the entire anglo-dutch inhabitants. Black southafrican millionaires are almost non existent as wealth has not spread since 1994 till date

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 12:16pm On Oct 14, 2014
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 12:16pm On Oct 14, 2014
Henry120:


No, you do not know anything about MANPADS.

The Hinds were brought down by Manpads used by the mujahedeen. If the tables were turned the casualty rate of Apaches would be the same.

The Hind can hover just as well as another helicopter.

Your paltry 10 90% french helicopters won't be able to stand Manpads either.



Hind strugels to hover when carrying a full combat load.

What went wrong?
So, what might have gone wrong in the case of the Sunday crash? Was it bad weather? The “Shaitan Arba” (Satan’s Chariot)” as the Afghan rebels called the MI-24 has been disadvantaged most by its limited deployment capabilities in terms of time of day and weather conditions.
Army spokesperson Felix Kulayigye told Daily Monitor on Tuesday that “We are aware that it was the weather that brought problems, nothing else!” 

A report by the Russian pilots, who used the Mi-24 during the Afghan war, say inadequate on-board navigation systems and poor radar, limited the use of the helicopter in adverse weather and at night.

According to Russian battle reports, technical shortcomings of on-board radar and navigation forced the Russians to employ MI-24 helicopters mostly during the day and fair weather when visibility exceeded 1.5 kilometers and pilots could get a clear look at their targets. Col. Gen. Pavlov, the commander of Russian Army Aviation, says these rules meant that 95 per cent of days in February 1995 were listed as “non-flying days.”

The US Centennial of Flight Commission, points in documents that cockpit visibility for the early Hinds was extremely bad, forcing Mil to redesign the cockpit so both the pilot and WSO sat under individual bubble canopies.

This gave the Hind a prehistoric appearance. Over the next several years, more modifications were made, such as replacing the nose-mounted machine gun with a cannon and adding sensors. Still, by Western standards, the Hind has a poor set of navigation and electronics instruments.

The Americans narrate that during one incident in the early 1980s, an American AH-1G Cobra was flying along the East German border when a Hind was ordered to intercept it. The two helicopters played a game of chase along the border, with the US pilot constantly pulling into a sharp climb to force his faster opponent to overshoot him.

Eventually the Hind pilot pulled back too hard and his aircraft started to tumble. He pushed his aircraft into a dive in order to recover, with the intention of pulling back sharply before hitting the ground. When he pulled back hard on his stick, the main rotor blades struck the tail-boom of the Hind and the helicopter crashed, killing all aboard. This problem—the Hind’s tendency to damage itself catastrophically when the rotors hit the tail-boom—has long plagued the aircraft.

Was it high Altitude?
It was in Afghanistan, where the MI-24 became most notable. Much of Afghanistan is a mountainous desert, and the helicopter was the best means of putting troops into rebel Mujaheddin controlled areas. Hinds often rode shotgun to provide support or were later used to attack ground targets.
Given their successful operations in high altitude areas in Afghanistan, some aviation experts dispel the notion that the helicopters that were flying in sequence over Mt. Kenya could have crashed due to high altitude.

However while the planes fly up to an altitude of 5,000 meters, Mt. Kenya, Africa’s second highest mountain, stands at 5,199 meters above sea-level. This means that an Mi-24 pilot cannot fly over the mountain and would have to go round it, according to Kenya Aviation website. The website goes on to say the helicopter that arrived in Garissa, MI-17, can reportedly fly as high as 6,000 metres.

Unforgiving
According to Dwayne Allen Day, a senior programme officer for the Aeronautics and Space Engineering Board of National Academy of Sciences, the MI-24 is not easily maneuverable, making it a problem when flying at high speed close to the ground. “The Hind is a difficult and unforgiving helicopter to fly. Unless a pilot is very careful, he can cause it to fly out of control or cause the rotors to collide with the tail-boom,” writes Dwayne in the US Centennial of Flight Commission.

“Although the Hind is fast, it is not very maneuverable, and this is a problem when flying at high speed close to the ground. In addition, a fully loaded Hind cannot hover and has to make a rolling take off. The Hind’s performance suffered in the hot, thin air of Afghanistan,” he added.

http://www.monitor.co.ug/SpecialReports/The-MI-24-crash--Was-it-a--case-of-poor-judgement-/-/688342/1481562/-/aqtfbmz/-/index.html

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 12:18pm On Oct 14, 2014
So apparently now, Nigeria soldiers shoot themselves and fake illness so that they are not deployed. shocked

http://www.nigerianbulletin.com/threads/nigerian-soldiers-shoot-themselves-fake-illness-to-avoid-deployment-to-boko-haram-areas.95819/

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by andrewza: 12:19pm On Oct 14, 2014
lezz:
i still think your assertions amount to self-patronization. SA's millionaires are significantly white and Nigeria's millionaires are more than the entire population of the entire anglo-dutch inhabitants. Black southafrican millionaires are almost non existent as wealth has not spread since 1994 till date

Did you bother to do any reshearch before makeing this BS claim.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 12:20pm On Oct 14, 2014
A more complete story. This is really shocking, but on second thought, hardly surprising.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/boko-haram-nigerian-soldiers-shoot-themselves-avoid-deployment-rebel-areas-1469711
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 12:22pm On Oct 14, 2014
andrewza:

Did you bother to do any reshearch before makeing this BS claim.

I'll answer that for you...

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NO!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:24pm On Oct 14, 2014
Henry120:


No, you do not know anything about MANPADS.

The Hinds were brought down by Manpads used by the mujahedeen. If the tables were turned the casualty rate of Apaches would be the same.

The Hind can hover just as well as another helicopter.

Your paltry 10 90% french helicopters won't be able to stand Manpads either.



I know enough about MANPADS to know that the hind is more susceptible than normal attack helicopters

And no, go look at any combat footage of the hind, it doesn't hover and use the land, the makes gun runs from up high- perfect for MANPADS

Rooivalk for example hovers low, uses cover and exploits IR clutter to perform its attacks, it also uses shoot and scoot tactics by using defilade positions to "Pop up" fire, drop back into defilade, relocate and then rinse and repeat
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 12:25pm On Oct 14, 2014
lezz:
i still think your assertions amount to self-patronization. SA's millionaires are significantly white and Nigeria's millionaires are more than the entire population of the entire anglo-dutch inhabitants. Black southafrican millionaires are almost non existent as wealth has not spread since 1994 till date


You see, I predicted long before it came that you will racialise this topic and reduce it black and white. You African do not want to come to terms with the fact that whites in SA are legitimate South Africans just like R-Kelly is an American.

By the way, since 1994 black SA have become millionaires beyond reasonable expectation. As I have said before, lottery which is won by majority blacks turns almost over 120 black SA millionaires every year. To be a millionaire does not mean you are super reach but it only put you on their league.






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