Moti080:



Thanks. Its once in a while. Saw 2 like 2 wks ago and another one yesterday. Was thinking I shld gv them lasota..

U're welcome. No course for alarm, its a normal thing.

Nwogbe:
Hello huz, for the past 5days now, I have lost 3birds due to pecking. My birds are too wild eventhough they were depeeked. The 3 birds I lost were pecked in d anus apparently when they were laying or after they had laid. Wot do I do 2 stop or atleast minimize this 2 d barest minimum.
NB: this is a new trend as they hv been laying for 4mnths now witout this issue. They are issa brown front farm support.

I need help here ASAP

Nwogbe:


I need help here ASAP

I really can't say why birds of now adays are so agressive, have you tried debecking them , tho one of them died due to too much bleeding at least it saved a lot of others from dying.

Elantracey:


I really can't say why birds of now adays are so agressive, have you tried debecking them , tho one of them died due to too much bleeding at least it saved a lot of others from dying.

They were debecked @ their eleventh wk.

Nwogbe:

They were debecked @ their eleventh wk.

just do it again , my dad has done his thrice now, though it was very stressful and this time after cutting it you can use hot knife to stop the bleeding and that will also make the beck not grow back early.

Moti080:



Thanks. Its once in a while. Saw 2 like 2 wks ago and another one yesterday. Was thinking I shld gv them lasota..

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It's normal bro.

Nwogbe:
Hello huz, for the past 5days now, I have lost 3birds due to pecking. My birds are too wild eventhough they were depeeked. The 3 birds I lost were pecked in d anus apparently when they were laying or after they had laid. Wot do I do 2 stop or atleast minimize this 2 d barest minimum.
NB: this is a new trend as they hv been laying for 4mnths now witout this issue. They are issa brown front farm support.

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I also bought mine from farm support but they don't have this problem. Your birds died due to "vent pecking". It is a form of cannibalism that can be caused by many things:
1. Is the light too bright?
2. Do they start laying before 20 wks of age?
3. Are they overcrowded?
4. How did u design the nesting box?
Etc.
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Check out this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vent_pecking

FarmTech:

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I also bought mine from farm support but they don't have this problem. Your birds died due to "vent pecking". It is a form of cannibalism that can be caused by many things:
1. Is the light too bright?
2. Do they start laying before 20 wks of age?
3. Are they overcrowded?
4. How did u design the nesting box?
Etc.
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Check out this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vent_pecking

1. The light is just oky
2. They started laying @ exactly 18wks 3days
3. They are not over crowded
4. Their nesting box is made up of blocks in square and round shapes.

13% of my birds started dropiing 5 days ago,can I start feeding them with layer mash or continue with grower mash?what can I do to make them lay everyday cos I noticed they lay 1egg in 2days.

Nwogbe:

1. The light is just oky
2. They started laying @ exactly 18wks 3days
3. They are not over crowded
4. Their nesting box is made up of blocks in square and round shapes.

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No. 2 might be a contribution, mine started laying @ about 20 weeks and they never had this problem. Another thing is the nesting box, try to cover half of it so that it would be somehow dark. That way they won't see anything to peck at. They pecking usually start when a bird just finish laying an egg.
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Do you have a perch for them? If so describe it.

Perpetual459:
13% of my birds started dropiing 5 days ago,can I start feeding them with layer mash or continue with grower mash?what can I do to make them lay everyday cos I noticed they lay 1egg in 2days.

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What are u waitng for, you shud have started when 5% were laying. To get more egg, put lights on at night, gradually increase it till 10pm before offing.

FarmTech:

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What are u waitng for, you shud have started when 5% were laying. To get more egg, put lights on at night, gradually increase it till 10pm before offing.

thank u,my boss

FarmTech:

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No. 2 might be a contribution, mine started laying @ about 20 weeks and they never had this problem. Another thing is the nesting box, try to cover half of it so that it would be somehow dark. That way they won't see anything to peck at. They pecking usually start when a bird just finish laying an egg.
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Do you have a perch for them? If so describe it.

Tnx for d advice broda. I will try cover their laying nest a bit so as 2 make it a little darker..

Good morning all. Does anyone have the cost of fairly used battery cages as well as where I can buy them?

My broilers are 6weeks old hw many kg of feed are they suppose to eat in a day. There are abt 200 of them. What can I do to facilitate growth. I started with top feed but for about 3weeks now top feed has been unavailable in my area. Am currently buyiin frm a mill close to me.

SPACE BOOKED.

Hello house members and great contributors..kindly furnish me with the price for DOC layers with Zatech company..

Will realy appreciate the responseto my question

FarmTech:

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What is the color of their droppings?
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If you can do a lab test, that would be great.

Hello sir
The color of their dropping is brownish and watery and some its just watery colorless droppings..also another symptom I see before their death is that they stand sleeping no appetite for food or water..
I got them blood cyrup and emvacine and it had not reduced mortality..am on the count of 25 now sir

I don tire

Serious feed scarcity hit abia state. People might be forced 2 sell off their laying birds as a matter of fact.
Pls I need layer feed formula asap before my birds starve 2 dead.

Nwogbe:

I need help here ASAP

Animal instinct kind of tell them what they need and how to get it. That's how they survive naturally. Your birds might be lacking in calcium which their instinct might have told them is contained in feathers. Maybe you should check the calcium content of your feed...
Just thinking!!!

kellykelly:
Good morning all. Does anyone have the cost of fairly used battery cages as well as where I can buy them?

Please avoid buying fairly used cages if possible because before a farmer decides to sell his cages as fairly used he must have been experiencing some problems with the cages. In as much as we in Nigeria cage our laying birds (most of the time) to conserve all their energy for egg production and deprive them access to these eggs from breaking them,caging is stress on its own not to talk of caging birds in rusty and rough cages (as seen in cases of these farm owners who put their cages up for sale as fairly used).
Caging birds in rusty and rough cages also predisposing them to feet injuries which indirectly affect their productivity
Also their is risk of introducing diseases that was endemic in the farm of origin of the cage to your own farm
Remember the cost of uninstalling these cages from its original farms, transporting them and re-installing them in your own farm
There is also the risk of some wear and tear while on transit to your farm

Truth be told, Buying and installing new cages is capital intensive but pays off in the long run. If you cannot afford the imported cages (though there are cheap ones which can last for 10 years before getting rusty), get the locally fabricated ones instead of fairly used ones.

FARMERGIANT NIGERIA LIMITED is also involved in importation, sales and distribution of poultry farm machinery and equipment (ranging from Battery cages, Defeathering machine/ Deplucker, Egg Incubators of different capacities, Automatic bell drinker, Feeders etc). Poultry inputs like birds of different ages can also be supplied by FARMERGIANT.

Contact Details:
Location: No. 56 Shasha Road, Akowonjo, Lagos
Website: www.farmergiant.net
Email: farmergiant@gmail.com or farmafric@gmail.com
Phone: 08095645892 or 08099515923

kellykelly:
Good morning all. Does anyone have the cost of fairly used battery cages as well as where I can buy them?

1. Premium (Hot Dip galvanized) costs ₦ 85,000
Dimensions - Length(m) is 2.24
Width(m) is 2.44
Height (m) is 1.68
Capacity- 120 birds
Warranty- 25 years

2a Deluxe (Electro galvanized) costs ₦ 60,000
Dimensions - Length(m) is 2.24
Width(m) is 2.44
Height (m) is 1.68
Capacity- 120 birds
Warranty- None ,could last for 10 years

2b Deluxe (Electro galvanized) costs ₦ 50,000
Dimensions - Length(m) is 1.85
Width(m) is 2.00
Height (m) is 1.60
Capacity- 90 birds
Warranty- None ,could last for 10 years

The watering pipes and the feeder are made of PVC materials
We deliver and transport cages to any part of the country. We utilize big trucks that ensure there are no stick outs of the product while on transit and also to avoid disobeying Traffic Management Agencies.
Transportation costs depend on your farm location and more importantly the quantity/ Number of units to be transported.

All our equipment are subject to 5% discount throughout the month of Oct


Contact Details:
Location: No. 56 Shasha Road, Akowonjo, Lagos
Website: www.farmergiant.net
Email: farmergiant@gmail.com or farmafric@gmail.com
Phone: 08095645892 or 08099515923

The cost of caging is high no doubt about that diseases transmission is possible but not in all cases.most people who go for used cages don't have much capital and not big time farmer who can have access to big loan from banks .its good to start low and grow big .This is why I encourage made in Nigeria cages using readily available materials here in the country.
We only enrich the pocket of this chinko by going as far as China to buy cages and its accessories its high time we wake up from our slumbers and swing into action.we need cheap and affordable poultry equipment in Nigeria .

laposta:
For your locally assembled galvanized battery cages with Tip drinkers and top grade point of lay birds, feel free to reach out to Hola Ologe Integrated Farms via hola-ologe@hotmail.com

Ask for a quote...a trial will convince you...

Hw many kg of finisher feed are 200 6wks old broilers supposed to eat daily

Omoluabi1960. The last i heard of Zartech's DOC pullet was #100/one. However, you may call them on 08055990399. Nwangboe whose birds are pecking one another. I'll suggest you change the feed you are giving them. Also, ensure they have enough water.

Wow

Eggcelent:
Omoluabi1960. The last i heard of Zartech's DOC pullet was #100/one. However, you may call them on 08055990399. Nwangboe whose birds are pecking one another. I'll suggest you change the feed you are giving them. Also, ensure they have enough water.

Thanks alot bro..I do give them topfeed broiler super starter..I ran out of feed and gave them another product ..av changed their feeds now three times as we always run out of stock ..so far av lost 32 in two weeks..

Thank you so much Eggcelent for your contribution .God bles you

Nwogbe:

Its really crazy broda!!!!! Hope they have been penalized accordingly. Biz no easy oo

They were arrested and after a few days I let them go. I was happy that I was able to recover 217 bags of the feed (Top feed for that matter) They actually rented a shop, and tried to sell them back to us, one of the women they had spoken to to buy it from them alerted us. And one useless Ahlaji who rented them the shop answered our calls as the owner of the shop and trying to negotiate price with us. He was also arrested and he and the boys spent the Salah holidays in police custody. I didn't want to drag it further, I was happy to discover what was going on at night and on sundays at the farm and was able to recover that much of the feed. The Police wanted me to take them to court and lock them up for a long time, but I didn't want to go through the wahala, and I hope that they will repent and straighten their lives up.

The hand that gives, they say, will always be on top. And my brother always say "The Lord will bless me more than the enemy can take away"
And yes, this is the kind of things that can bring some's business down. They were just selling our chickens in the area, and no one said anything. couple days ago, one of the women in the area came to me and said that she heard what happened in the farm, that she noticed one of the boys carrying chicken to go sell to people in the area but she should tell me because she doesn't want any trouble, boa-bla-bla. The truth is that I am sure she too bought some chicken from the boys.
Any ways, we have put in some measures now to help curb that. But I have known and was told that apart from bio-security, that theft from your workers and the other biggest challenge to this business. Some one related to me what happened as a poultry in Ogun State where he used to work, It was an egg farm, just layers, and it was a very big farm, they arrested bunch of their workers stealing eggs out of the farm everyday, so they put in some security measures to stop that, so they search everyone going in and out of the farm, what they noticed was that they didn't see anyone taking eggs ago, but they noticed that everyone comes to work with a colored water bottle, and one they day stopped some of them to check, guess what? Yap! They were breaking the eggs and poring the eggs into the water bottles, and they take it to go and sell to those guys (Malam) that sells fry eggs and tea on the road side.

So guy, we are in for a long one.

agonbello:


Sir, this v-mix, what positive impact does it has on your birds?

Have you raised birds with and without the v-mix? What difference did you notice?


Thanks.

If you come to my farm you will notice the effect of the v-mix, I have some birds that are about 5kg and they look super healthy.

The only medications that that we give to our birds are the
Day 1------I.O when we bring them in,
Day 1 -----Glucose/vitamin because of stress
Day 2-4----Antibiotic/vitamin
Day 5-------Gomboro
Day 6 till slaughter (8 weeks and above)------V-mix

If you see on this thread, you will notice a list medications and vaccines that you can't even pronounce their names that farmers give to their birds till slaughter, we don't have to do that or worry about it.

Now the positive effect of this is that the taste of our bird is different, almost like local or free range chicken because their system was not laden with made cations and antibiotics. So we end up raising a healthy bird. I have been told that it takes about 15 days for the medications given to the birds to go through and out of their system, so, if you feed your birds with all these medications till they go to slaughter, your customers are not only eating the chicken but also they medications which is still in their body. And that is why conventionally raise birds taste bad. And worst when it is imported birds which are preserved with formalin (corps embalming solution)

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Due to the importance of fish and meat in every home, hardly does a day go by without either of the two being served as part of meals in many homes in the country. However, many Nigerians could be eating fish or meat that is deleterious to their health without any knowledge of this, reports SADE OGUNTOLA.

WHETHER it is bought at the open market or from a store, the quality before purchase and after it is prepared for consumption is essential to building the body and maintaining good health. Little wonder Mrs Halima Adenuga was concerned about a news report that alerted Nigerian to the dangers of eating some frozen foods.

The Federal Department of Fisheries (FDF), under the Federal Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development, destroyed about 95.86 metric tonnes of rotten fish with the market value of N37 million in the premises of Premium Foods Limited and Bexolac Seafoods Limited in Lagos early this year.

Several times, individuals have expressed concern on the quality of meat and fish available for sale in many markets. This is not exempting frozen chicken and turkey, most of which are imported, that many see as an alternative to beef.

Sunday Tribune learnt that most of the frozen chicken and turkey imported into the country were not good for consumption due to the chemicals used in preserving them, while most of them spent days in transit, thus making them to lose their nutritional value.

While speaking with Sunday Tribune, Mr Elijah Tomori, revealed that his hatred for frozen chickens arose from the dangerous chemicals used for their preservation. The chemicals, such as formalin, he disclosed, were carcinogenic.

“I have my reservations for consuming frozen chicken sold in many outlets, because they are preserved with formalin. This is why I stopped my wife from buying or cooking it at home.”

According to a fish seller at Bodija market in Ibadan, Alhaja Hadijat Aduke, some of the fish she and other fish sellers bought from different cold rooms in Ibadan metropolis are unfit for consumption, adding that they often reject and return such fish to the cold rooms.

“You would notice a change in their colour, while some of them would give off offensive odour. Even when you cut some with knife, you would notice that that they have expired and not good for consumption,” she said.

A veterinarian at the University of Ibadan, Dr Olayinka Ishola, confirmed that many of the fish or meat sold in markets across the country was actually unfit for consumption. According to him, the knowledge of this has made him to stop buying fish from open markets.

“What I observe these days is that there seems to be a higher concentration of formalin in fish and frozen chicken sold in the market. This chemical is used to preserve fish or frozen chicken and turkey.

“If I open my freezer for you, you would think I have stored cadavers. It usually smells of formalin; it is possible that higher concentrations of formalin are added, because importers of fish or cold room owners cannot guarantee constant electricity supply,” said Dr Ishola.

The veterinary doctor questioned the suitability of formalin as a preservative agent for fish, saying its effect on human health was grave.

“The concentration of formalin they are adding is getting higher, but formalin has its health implications, because consuming it indirectly is like we are killing ourselves subtly. Formalin is used on dead tissues and we are taking it in gradually. It can eventually cause ulcer because it will be eroding the lining of the intestines,” he explained.

Identifying wholesome fish
When asked what could make fish wholesome and fit for consumption, Dr Olufemi Adedeji, a senior lecturer in the Department of Veterinary Public Health and Preventive Medicine, University of Ibadan, said certain qualities had to be looked out for before determining whether the fish is good or bad.

“To identify fresh fish, the body must be shining and glistering. Its eyes must not be glistening or sunken. When the covering of the gills is lifted, the gills would be shiny and reddish. If it is already turning brownish, it means the fish is stale. The body of a fresh fish is slimy, but if it is not properly stored, it would turn greenish.

“Of course, when the fish is fresh and fit for consumption, its body, on touch, would be smooth. A sandy feel at touch tells that the fish is stale and not properly preserved. Also, it is expected that the fish will not have foul odour and that its scales would not have started to peel off on its own,” he added.

Dr Adedeji who said fish hygiene was very important for it to retain its wholeness, disclosed that oftentimes, most outlets that sold frozen fish did not store and preserve them appropriately.

“The erratic electricity supply is a big problem and because most cold rooms are run by generators, this has increased the overhead cost of this business. And so they try to cut corners by not maintaining the cold chain.

“A cold room temperature should be below -20 degrees centigrade for the stored fish to maintain its quality. With every increase in the temperature of the cold room, there is an increase in the spoilage organisms.

“Spoilage could take place from outside or within the fish. Its intestines contain some of these organisms that will also increase the risk of spoilage. If the appropriate temperature is not maintained, there is no assurance of their quality because of the proliferation of spoilage organisms,” Dr Adedeji added.

According to him, though poor stored fish and sea food is inimical to health, since they could cause many health problems, including food poisoning, Dr Adedeji noted that the option of preserving fish with formalin was bad.

“Formalin will destroy all the micro-organisms, but it is like embalmment and by the time you consume food items preserved with formalin, this, over time, could trigger some pathway that can lead to cancer. Formalin is carcinogenic; as such its use should be discouraged,” he stated.

The don urged government to monitor and control the activities of operators in fish industry, especially cold rooms operators, saying, “Samples need to be collected at random and analysed for whatever chemicals they may contain.”

He warned that this was important, because studies had shown that many imported sea foods, including shrimps, lobsters and fish were always contaminated with antibiotics in the process of preserving them.

“The screening of many sea foods in Ibadan found that they contain a lot of antibiotic residues and normally antibiotics are not supposed to be in them. They contained between 60 and 70 per cent broad spectrum antibiotics, which could have been added also as preservatives.

“The danger in this is that over time, its consumption contributes to antibiotic resistance. For humans, this is dangerous because when the need for the use of these antibiotics arises, they will not be effective.”

Buying live fish
When asked whether live fish could serve as an alternative to the consumption of dead ones, the don said this also had its own challenge.

“In most fish ponds, whenever there is an outbreak of disease and a veterinarian commences treatment, some sellers after some days, because of the fear of loss, would crop the fish and push them into the market for sale. Those unable to do this, if they have icing facility, do so and sell it as iced fish.”

Poor implementation of meat/fish laws in Nigeria
According to the Head of Department, Veterinary Public Health and Preventive Medicine, University of Ibadan,Professor Gabriel Ogundipe, issues relating to meat and fish hygiene are caused by poor enforcement of fish and meat laws in the country.

“For instance, ensuring that meat is fit for consumption starts from the slaughter slab till it gets to the table. The meat industry is not modernised; more than 95 per cent of our butchers are not educated and so it is difficult for them to adapt to new ways of abattoir maintenance – the way of preparing meat for consumers in a healthy way. So, the quality of meat coming to the market is already poor,” he stressed.

Professor Ogundipe linked the sales of diseased cow lungs and other portions of cow with tuberculosis by meat sellers to their low knowledge on meat hygiene and safety.

“Whether it is the slaughter of a sick cow or sales of diseased organs that they are asked not to sell, they cannot appreciate it. To convince you that there is no disease, they would even cut a portion of a lung infected with tuberculosis and eat it. They then ask if they had died.

“If you tell them not to sell such a diseased organ, they would not agree, because they are not convinced that it is dangerous. They are also looking at it from the economic point of view. They have invested money in buying the animal; some even borrowed the money with the hope of making profit.”

Another veterinarian, Dr Idowu Cadmus, also described the habit of selling leftover meat, which is stored in the freezer, as bad because the meat had started to deteriorate in its freshness and quality.

Dr Cadmus said that individuals should consider fish/meat colour and texture before purchasing them, “essentially, when you see a bad meat, such may be greenish or blackish in colour; it is not light brownish in colour as normal meat. Also, it should not have any offensive odour and its tissue will be firm and not flabby on touch.”

He said consuming leftover meat was dangerous, because it could lead to food poisoning and diarrhea, since it would have had plenty of microorganisms growing on it.

@ oga Fnk, honestly you have passed through a lot but thank God you are still pushing on. i picked a lot from what you said. my people say TO MISS ROAD IS TO KNOW ROAD

weldone bro

fnk:


If you come to my farm you will notice the effect of the v-mix, I have some birds that are about 5kg and they look super healthy.

The only medications that that we give to our birds are the
Day 1------I.O when we bring them in,
Day 1 -----Glucose/vitamin because of stress
Day 2-4----Antibiotic/vitamin
Day 5-------Gomboro
Day 6 till slaughter (8 weeks and above)------V-mix

Do you mean VIRAL-MIXX.