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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by sirjerry(m): 4:20pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
LaBellaMafiaZA:you want me to stay of your mention then why are you posting? this a discussion thread you want people not to quote then you fu ck off or you return to viewing the thread. 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 4:23pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 4:28pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
sirjerry: Excuse me? Dude, who the fvck do you think you are trying to dictate what I should or shouldn't do? I'll post wherever the fvck I want, fvck you very much. Consider your Queen Bytch @ss ignored from now on. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iconize(m): 4:31pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
ThaVluit: White on blek, blek on blek.
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iconize(m): 4:36pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
ActivateKruger: This one is dumb. ![]() Why is it that everybody that pummels you primitive zulus is tagged Igbo? ![]() However, you need a sledge hammer on your head. Our argument is not military issues. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iconize(m): 4:37pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iconize(m): 4:37pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
EroZA: Yoruba? ![]() This minute I'm Igbo, the next minute I'm Yoruba. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iconize(m): 4:42pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
Msauza: Has anyone debunked the [/b]"fact"[/b] that Mandela was a tourist that lived in Amaechi's house? 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 4:46pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
agaugust: Soweto is not a slum, beside I am living in a suburb in SA. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 4:52pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
iconize: Mandela has never lived in Amechi's house. Amechi is an opportunist who waited until the passing of Mandela to come with all these lies. There is no book or history that support that statement. Even Madiba himself during his visit at our school he has never mentioned anything about Nigeria other than Algeria from countries which were far from SA. AMECHI TOLD LIES!! Nelson Mandela timeline does not have any details about Mandela ever living in Nigeria http://www.sahistory.org.za/article/nelson-mandela-timeline-1800-2014 |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 4:58pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
iconize: It doesn't matter what you're, what matters is that you're Nigerian and you want out of your peace forsaken village called Nigeria |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iconize(m): 4:59pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
Msauza: You're being sentimental and emotional. Imagine, you wrote over 2 sentences of crass stupid_ity. I ask again; has anyone debunked Amaechi's claims? What will be the old man's benefit lying against the dead? The other you said he was seeking elevation, and I asked elevation from who? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iconize(m): 5:02pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
ActivateKruger: Apartheid dog, what makes you think I'm from Nigeria? Well for sure I know, Nigerians living in their villages are not incessantly bullied and whipped by white migrants. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 5:03pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 5:04pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
Henry120:In your dreams. Just tell me if you wanna engage in an factual discussion. You want me to serve you another humble pie? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iconize(m): 5:06pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
ActivateKruger: Boy, have you learned the difference between restriction and denial? ![]() This was in the 1990s on blek soil by white migrants.
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:09pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
Henry120: Again, you have posted an opinion piece, written by someone who is clearly against the implementation of the defense review Its largely unjustified, mostly incorrect. I literally laughed out loud when I read the part about most of our equipment being "mothballed". And lets not get started on the inaccuracies of the Badger program being "supah-secrate OMG muh corrupt tendancies!!" (anyone with access to Google can find out about it) and the VIP jet (ARMSCORE just said that they dont have the project on their table). And the part about the SANDF in Goma not having tents... good lord. I dont think he knows how the UN works. I think I have an idea who wrote it (hint: he testified at the arms comission and is a filthy pacificst- or at least someone of his ilk). He gave it away with: We should all take the words of Andrew Feinstein, that fearless exposer and critic of the South African and global arms trade, to heart. He warns us that this ‘shadow world’ Lol, massive BIAS detected Provide the source where you found it, so I can vett it. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:10pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
MikeZA: South Africa’s Military Arms Troubles October 16, 2014 - Uncategorized - African Military, South Africa The South African National Defence Force (SANDF) is drowning in a sea of mismanagement, corruption, political manipulation and strategic myopia. While this state of affairs will probably not result in an imminent ‘attack’ on the Union Buildings, as was the case in 2009 when justifiably angry rank-and-file soldiers protested over conditions of service, the ongoing fallout is much worse. It’s hard to know where to begin but let’s start with the basics. Section 200(1) of the Constitution states that, “the defence force must be structured and managed as a disciplined military force”. If we take the standard dictionary definition of discipline to mean “the practice of training people to obey rules or a code of behaviour, using punishment to correct disobedience”, then it is clear that those who are in charge of structuring and managing the SANDF are in serious breach of its core constitutional imperative. There is a litany of such ‘indiscipline’. Despite a mountain of evidence stemming from the 1990’s arms deal detailing gross mismanagement and corruption involving SANDF and Department of Defence (DOD) officials as well as senior politicians, hardly any of those responsible have been held to even the most minimal of disciplinary standards. The ongoing official investigation into the arms deal – the Seriti Commission – is turning out to be more of a whitewash than a clean-up. As has become the standard practice of SANDF and DOD officials as well as associated politicians, the main agenda of the Seriti Commission appears to be to ensure that the myriad ‘indisciplines’ are shielded from any meaningful democratic scrutiny and action. When the SANDF deployed over 1000 soldiers to the DRC in June 2013 the generals and politicians spoke glowingly about the professionalism of South Africa’s defence forces and their contribution to ‘peace-keeping’ in Africa[b] but did not tell us that the soldiers lacked some of the most basic equipment. It was only through an associated court case later that the Minister of Defence was forced to admit that “our soldiers do not have tents … ”.[/b] While the rank-and-file soldiers in conflict zones were being treated like 2nd class citizens, SANDF head honcho, Lt. General Solly Shoke spent over R100 000 of taxpayers money flying 1st class to a conference in Malaysia earlier this year. The DOD has brazenly cast a veil of secrecy over its recent attempts to buy a new luxury VIP jet (no prize for guessing who the beneficiaries are) worth almost R2 billion. When parliamentary questions were asked, Defence Secretary Dr Sam Gulube noted that the matter was a “sensitive project” (read: classified) because it had been conveniently shifted to a ‘Strategic Capital Acquisition Master Plan’ project list, no doubt a secret itself. Public knowledge about a SANDF deal for purchasing over 200 armoured infantry vehicles worth close to R15 billion was zilch until the actions of some brave whistleblowers. When opposition parliamentarians recently asked Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula for further details of the SANDF acquisition projects she refused, stating that the information does not belong in the public domain. Not to be outdone in the secrecy stakes, Defence Secretary Gulube told parliament’s defence committee that any attempts to enforce greater scrutiny of the government’s arms procurement programmes would be a threat to national security. All of this has to be set against the backdrop of the 2014 Defence Force Review which has been approved by the Cabinet and is now making its way through parliament’s labyrinthine corridors. Despite receiving R42 billion in the 2014/15 budget and untold billions more continuing to be spent on the 1990s arms deal and on other acquisition projects that we know little to nothing about, the Review unequivocally acknowledges that the SANDF is in a “critical state of decline”. It lists a host of serious problems and crises: The escalating costs associated with the purchase, use and maintenance of the 1990s arms deal programme has resulted in a majority of the fighter planes, helicopters, training jets and naval vessels purchased being mothballed. Those that are in use suffer from chronic under-use and a lack of technical/ maintenance personnel and trained pilots. Spares, general equipment, ammunition stocks and fuel reserves are “generally depleted”. One instructive example of the resultant impact is that South Africa now has “little airspace or maritime domain awareness” (read: the SANDF can hardly track who and what is in South African airspace and waters). Nearly 55% of the overall budget is spent on personnel costs, even though SANDF rank-and-file earn relatively little. Despite increased personnel spending, there is a massive shortage of competent personnel at all levels and those with scarce and professional skills are leaving at “concerning rates”. Practical training and exercises have been cut to the bone such that the SANDF is unable to “execute [its] widening spectrum of tasks” while medical care to SANDF personnel is in a generalised state of crisis . The SANDF suffers from “fragmented management and information systems [that] inhibit integrated and systemic decision making”. Predictably though, the Review’s solution to these systemic crises of decision-making, strategic planning and human and financial management is to throw more money into the SANDF pit in order for it to carry out its “constitutional requirements”. Those “requirements” are interpreted as revolving largely around a military “strategic posture” defined by the “the role that it wishes to play both regionally and continentally”. In other words not, as the actual Constitution states, “to defend and protect the Republic its territorial integrity and its people… ” but to satisfy a politically constructed and elite centred ‘need’ to play big brother in Africa. We should all take the words of Andrew Feinstein, that fearless exposer and critic of the South African and global arms trade, to heart. He warns us that this ‘shadow world’ “often makes us poorer, not richer, less not more safe and governed not in our own interests but for the benefit of a small, self-serving elite, seemingly above the law, protected by the secrecy of national security and accountable to no one.” Before it is too late, South Africans need to not only actively demand accountability for past ‘indisciplines’ and abuse of public funds and trust but ensure that our military forces and projects focus on what they are supposed to do – to serve and answer to, the people. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:12pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
Henry120: Do you suffer from a mental deficiency? Did you forget that you just posted this? Or are you simply unable to use your own words to formulate an argument? Now. Source please. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:12pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
MikeZA: Your defence minister stated categorically you don't have Tents. Yes, i'll like to have this discussion. Is she now lying on the pathetic state of the SANDF? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:16pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
Henry120: That had nothing to do with the SANDF it was because ARMSCOR and the UN Fvcked up the tenders for the supply of the base The various project delays because of non-approval by the Armscor board are detailed in the court papers in the case between board chairman Maomela Motau and the department. In August, Mapisa-Nqakula fired Motau and his deputy Refiloe Mokoena, but they were reinstated by the court because of a technicality. http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/armscor-fails-to-supply-sandf-1.1589325#.VEFAdfmSx8E All the members of the ARMSCOR board of directors who were responsible were sacked because of it - BY THE CONSTITUTIONAL COURT Ooops... looks like I broke your argument |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:16pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
patches689: http://www.african-defense.com/?p=249 |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ZDee: 5:17pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
iconize: hello my Ibo slave, i see that you're still denying your IbonESS... 1960 nigeria. the blek brotherly luurve [img]https://www.nairaland.com/attachments/374424_BNW-Carlisle-Umunna-Biafra-Children-1_jpg646c799cf1ad959fa0c0d198ae638e58[/img] 2014 Nigeria. the blek continues ibos roasted in the North www.nairaland.com/attachments/1141025_Burnt_Corpse__jpg9845e6d5a1944077c29b4a612eb67baf www.nairaland.com/attachments/1141026_Mass_Burial_jpge00a52f166a7416ec988e7400e4c6ba5 LONG LIVE BIAFRA, THE LAND OF THE RISING SUN!!!! www.nairaland.com/attachments/1141027_Map_of_Biafra__jpgc2662063e106f41121838a5fd5986bb4 |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:18pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
patches689: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() So you do lack common tents, *ROTFL* 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:20pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
Henry120: Dr. Dale T. McKinley is an independent writer, researcher and lecturer as well as political activist. Originally from Zimbabwe, Dale has lived and worked in Johannesburg since 1990. He ran/managed a socialist bookshop from 1991-1994 and was a full time activist/ educationist with the South African Communist Party from 1995-2000 (before being expelled for trying to be a communist). http://sacsis.org.za/s/stories.php?iUser=37 Communist, activist and socialist? Not even South African? Reliable unbiased opinion? Into the trash he goes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:21pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
patches689: He didn't quote himself dummy. He quoted your defence minister and other top government functionaries. You've already admitted you lack tents. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:21pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
Henry120: No we dont. It does not say SANDF lacks tents. It says that the supply of the tents was stalled due to contractual issues arising from ARMSCOR mismanagement. Those responsible have been fired. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:22pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
Henry120: Nope, he mis-quoted our Defence Minsiter, and neither she nor I have said we lack tents. What was said was that the supply of tents was mismanaged. and he is the author of the artical hence, it is biased. You dont have a tertiary education do you? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:23pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
patches689: Actually, your defence minister confirms you lack common tents? LMAO 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:24pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
Henry120: Where did she say "The SANDF lacks tents"? Are you just going to do your usual thing? Use voodo-logic to try win some points? I have literally just posted the story, yet you are unable to take it into consideration. SANDF has all the tents it needs, the supply of tents to Congo via ARMSCOR mismanagement was the problem. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:25pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
patches689: You can keep denying all you want, it doesn't make the report false. Also, bookmarked for future references. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Msauza(m): 5:25pm On Oct 17, 2014 |
iconize: I am a South African and I have read many of his biographies. Nowhere it was ever mentioned about Mandela ever living in Nigeria even I have his DVDs for his documentary. Nigeria is mentioned nowhere. So, the old Nigerian man is lying to have said Mandela lived with him in the 1960s Let me debunk it once and for all http://www.sahistory.org.za/article/nelson-mandela-timeline-1800-2014 1 Like |
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