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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iconize(m): 5:27pm On Oct 17, 2014
ZDee:


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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:27pm On Oct 17, 2014
Henry120:


You can keep denying all you want, it doesn't make the report false.

Also, bookmarked for future references.

First, its not a report.

Second, its biased, so very blatantly.

You can bookmark it all you want. Its fairly irrelevant.

Look at the author

Apply critical thinking

Come to a conclusion.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:30pm On Oct 17, 2014
Henry120:


Actually, your defence minister confirms you lack common tents?

LMAO

DA defence spokesman David Maynier said “because of bungling at Armscor”, SANDF soldiers do not have the equipment they need to execute their mission in the DRC.
http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/armscor-fails-to-supply-sandf-1.1589325#.VEFDw_mSx8F
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iconize(m): 5:30pm On Oct 17, 2014
Msauza:





Let me debunk it once and for all

http://www.sahistory.org.za/article/nelson-mandela-timeline-1800-2014


I can't find where it was said that Mandela never lived in Amaechi's house like a refugee.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 5:36pm On Oct 17, 2014
Henry120:


South Africa’s Military Arms Troubles
October 16, 2014 - Uncategorized - African Military, South Africa

The South African National Defence Force (SANDF) is drowning in a sea of mismanagement, corruption, political manipulation and strategic myopia.

While this state of affairs will probably not result in an imminent ‘attack’ on the Union Buildings, as was the case in 2009 when justifiably angry rank-and-file soldiers protested over conditions of service, the ongoing fallout is much worse.


It’s hard to know where to begin but let’s start with the basics. Section 200(1) of the Constitution states that, “the defence force must be structured and managed as a disciplined military force”. If we take the standard dictionary definition of discipline to mean “the practice of training people to obey rules or a code of behaviour, using punishment to correct disobedience”, then it is clear that those who are in charge of structuring and managing the SANDF are in serious breach of its core constitutional imperative.

There is a litany of such ‘indiscipline’. Despite a mountain of evidence stemming from the 1990’s arms deal detailing gross mismanagement and corruption involving SANDF and Department of Defence (DOD) officials as well as senior politicians, hardly any of those responsible have been held to even the most minimal of disciplinary standards.

The ongoing official investigation into the arms deal – the Seriti Commission – is turning out to be more of a whitewash than a clean-up. As has become the standard practice of SANDF and DOD officials as well as associated politicians, the main agenda of the Seriti Commission appears to be to ensure that the myriad ‘indisciplines’ are shielded from any meaningful democratic scrutiny and action.

When the SANDF deployed over 1000 soldiers to the DRC in June 2013 the generals and politicians spoke glowingly about the professionalism of South Africa’s defence forces and their contribution to ‘peace-keeping’ in Africa[b] but did not tell us that the soldiers lacked some of the most basic equipment. It was only through an associated court case later that the Minister of Defence was forced to admit that “our soldiers do not have tents … ”.[/b]

While the rank-and-file soldiers in conflict zones were being treated like 2nd class citizens, SANDF head honcho, Lt. General Solly Shoke spent over R100 000 of taxpayers money flying 1st class to a conference in Malaysia earlier this year.

The DOD has brazenly cast a veil of secrecy over its recent attempts to buy a new luxury VIP jet (no prize for guessing who the beneficiaries are) worth almost R2 billion. When parliamentary questions were asked, Defence Secretary Dr Sam Gulube noted that the matter was a “sensitive project” (read: classified) because it had been conveniently shifted to a ‘Strategic Capital Acquisition Master Plan’ project list, no doubt a secret itself. Public knowledge about a SANDF deal for purchasing over 200 armoured infantry vehicles worth close to R15 billion was zilch until the actions of some brave whistleblowers.


When opposition parliamentarians recently asked Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula for further details of the SANDF acquisition projects she refused, stating that the information does not belong in the public domain. Not to be outdone in the secrecy stakes, Defence Secretary Gulube told parliament’s defence committee that any attempts to enforce greater scrutiny of the government’s arms procurement programmes would be a threat to national security.

All of this has to be set against the backdrop of the 2014 Defence Force Review which has been approved by the Cabinet and is now making its way through parliament’s labyrinthine corridors.

Despite receiving R42 billion in the 2014/15 budget and untold billions more continuing to be spent on the 1990s arms deal and on other acquisition projects that we know little to nothing about, the Review unequivocally acknowledges that the SANDF is in a “critical state of decline”. It lists a host of serious problems and crises:

The escalating costs associated with the purchase, use and maintenance of the 1990s arms deal programme has resulted in a majority of the fighter planes, helicopters, training jets and naval vessels purchased being mothballed. Those that are in use suffer from chronic under-use and a lack of technical/ maintenance personnel and trained pilots.

Spares, general equipment, ammunition stocks and fuel reserves are “generally depleted”. One instructive example of the resultant impact is that South Africa now has “little airspace or maritime domain awareness” (read: the SANDF can hardly track who and what is in South African airspace and waters).


Nearly 55% of the overall budget is spent on personnel costs, even though SANDF rank-and-file earn relatively little. Despite increased personnel spending, there is a massive shortage of competent personnel at all levels and those with scarce and professional skills are leaving at “concerning rates”.

Practical training and exercises have been cut to the bone such that the SANDF is unable to “execute [its] widening spectrum of tasks” while medical care to SANDF personnel is in a generalised state of crisis .

The SANDF suffers from “fragmented management and information systems [that] inhibit integrated and systemic decision making”.

Predictably though, the Review’s solution to these systemic crises of decision-making, strategic planning and human and financial management is to throw more money into the SANDF pit in order for it to carry out its “constitutional requirements”.

Those “requirements” are interpreted as revolving largely around a military “strategic posture” defined by the “the role that it wishes to play both regionally and continentally”. In other words not, as the actual Constitution states, “to defend and protect the Republic its territorial integrity and its people… ” but to satisfy a politically constructed and elite centred ‘need’ to play big brother in Africa.


We should all take the words of Andrew Feinstein, that fearless exposer and critic of the South African and global arms trade, to heart. He warns us that this ‘shadow world’ “often makes us poorer, not richer, less not more safe and governed not in our own interests but for the benefit of a small, self-serving elite, seemingly above the law, protected by the secrecy of national security and accountable to no one.”

Before it is too late, South Africans need to not only actively demand accountability for past ‘indisciplines’ and abuse of public funds and trust but ensure that our military forces and projects focus on what they are supposed to do – to serve and answer to, the people.
My brother @Patches689 has already dealt with this joke.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:36pm On Oct 17, 2014
patches689:


DA defence spokesman David Maynier said “because of bungling at Armscor”, SANDF soldiers do not have the equipment they need to execute their mission in the DRC.
http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/armscor-fails-to-supply-sandf-1.1589325#.VEFDw_mSx8F


I didn't know they needed tents to execute their mission.

Go read the article again, you Defence minister said your soldiers have no tents in the DRC.

Now too broke to afford tents?

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 5:38pm On Oct 17, 2014
Henry120:


Your defence minister stated categorically you don't have Tents. Yes, i'll like to have this discussion.

Is she now lying on the pathetic state of the SANDF?
Ask for an explanation, instead of reaching silly conclusions.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:38pm On Oct 17, 2014
patches689:


Where did she say "The SANDF lacks tents"?

Are you just going to do your usual thing?
SANDF has all the tents it needs, the supply of tents to Congo via ARMSCOR mismanagement was the problem.


Not according to the article, you don't.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Helghast: 5:38pm On Oct 17, 2014
Journalist Close To Boko
Haram Says Abubakar Shekau
“Alive And Well”

Mr. Salkida’s tweet appeared to
confirm that the Boko Haram “officer”
killed by Nigerian soldiers in Konduga
was a different person from Mr.
Shekau. In fact, Nigerian security
officials have maintained for months
that Mr. Shekau was dead, apparently
killed by his own disaffected
lieutenants in an internal rivalry for
control of the terrorist organization.
saharareporters.com/2014/09/22/journalist-close-boko-haram-says-abubakar-shekau-alive-and-well
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:39pm On Oct 17, 2014
Henry120:


I didn't know they needed tents to execute their mission.

Go read the article again, you Defence minister said your soldiers have no tents in the DRC.

Now too broke to afford tents?

Dude, at this stage there is zero point in replying to you.

Our defence minister said there were no tents in the DRC

Because ARMSCOR messed up the supply contracts


Cause and effect, simple as that. We can go around in circles as much as you want, but this issue has been put to bed.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:40pm On Oct 17, 2014
Henry120:


Not according to the article, you don't.

Which artical?

The biased misleading one?

Or the one that says Armscor messed up getting the tents from point A to point B?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ZDee: 5:40pm On Oct 17, 2014
iconize:


My apartheid dog is back. grin grin
.

Stop denying your igboness, maybe I should invite those Ghanaian and yorubas who know your ethnicity, feeling ashamed? huh?


Blek luurve in 2014.


Genocide In Nigeria: Igbos Face Extinction - Politics
https://www.nairaland.com/852961/genocide-nigeria-igbos-face-extinction
15. HISTORY OF MASSACRE AGAINST IBOS (City/Town
and Year)
v Jos 1945 v Kano genocide 1953
v 1966 pogroms- over 50, 000 killed
v 1967-70 – over 2,000,0000 killed
during the bloody civil war
v Kano 1980
v Maiduguri 1982
v Jimeta 1984
v Gombe 1985
v. Zaria 1987
v Kaduna & Kafanchan 1991
v Bauchi & Katsina 1991
v Kano 1991
v Zangon-Kataf 1992
v Funtua 1993
v Kano 1994
v Kaduna 2000
v Kaduna 2001
v Maiduguri 2001
v Kaduna 2002
v Beheading of Gideon Akaluka in
December of 1996 in Kano
v Saint Moritz killed December 2001
v Post April 2011 Presidential Election:
10 youth-corps men & women and
numerous citizens murdered because a
Christian Southerner was elected.
v Jos Christmas Eve 2010
v Madalla Christmas day 2011
v Mubi January 6 2012

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1141025_Burnt_Corpse__jpg9845e6d5a1944077c29b4a612eb67baf

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:40pm On Oct 17, 2014
MikeZA:
My brother @Patches689 has already dealt with this joke.

You believe this, and you're a bigger slowpoke than initially thought.

All that is written in that article were source from comments attributed to named government personnel.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:41pm On Oct 17, 2014
Henry120:


You believe this, and you're a bigger slowpoke than initially thought.

All that is written in that article were source from comments attributed to named government personnel.

Uhh... you mean the whole one relevant quote from a member of government?

A quote which was taken completely out of context?

The other quotes are about military acquisitions being secret... wow... so humiliating...
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:42pm On Oct 17, 2014
patches689:


Dude, at this stage there is zero point in replying to you.

Our defence minister said there were no tents in the DRC

Because ARMSCOR messed up the supply contracts


Cause and effect, simple as that. We can go
around in circles as much as you want, but this issue has been put to bed.


Your defence minister said you lacked tents in the DRC after a lawsuit was instituted against her office.

Keep twisting facts, it doesn't make the contents of the article false.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 5:44pm On Oct 17, 2014
patches689:


Dude, at this stage there is zero point in replying to you.

Our defence minister said there were no tents in the DRC

Because ARMSCOR messed up the supply contracts


Cause and effect, simple as that. We can go around in circles as much as you want, but this issue has been put to bed.

And armscor chairperson was fired!!!!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:44pm On Oct 17, 2014
patches689:


Uhh... you mean the whole one relevant quote from a member of government?

A quote which was taken completely out of context?

The other quotes are about military acquisitions being secret... wow... so humiliating...

Bwahahahahahahahaha, now it's one quote..... LOL

We are progressing somewhere.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:45pm On Oct 17, 2014
Henry120:


Your defence minister said you lacked tents in the DRC after a lawsuit was instituted against her office.

Correct. Then what did she say? What came out in the lawsuit? Who got fired?

We lacked tents in the DRC

The SANDF is based in South Africa

Come, slowly we will get you to comprehend: We have something in Point A, we didnt have that something in point B.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:45pm On Oct 17, 2014
patches689:


Which artical?

The biased misleading one?

Or the one that says Armscor messed up getting the tents from point A to point B?

It is misleading because it details the pathetic state of your military.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:46pm On Oct 17, 2014
Henry120:


Bwahahahahahahahaha, now it's one quote..... LOL

We are progressing somewhere.

Yes, one, misquote.

But you said it was laced with quotes?

Where are they? You cant read so good? Or maybe you lied?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:46pm On Oct 17, 2014
Henry120:


It is misleading because it details the pathetic state of your military.

I agree.

Our military is not pathetic

Hence the artical is misleading.

Finally we agree on something
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 5:47pm On Oct 17, 2014
Henry120:


You believe this, and you're a bigger slowpoke than initially thought.

All that is written in that article were source from comments attributed to named government personnel.
1. SA soldiers have tents.

2. Gripens are flown.

4. That article is written by someone,who used outdated information from newspapers. NO investigation whatsoever.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 5:50pm On Oct 17, 2014
I doubt Nigeria even has tents.

And winter clothing such jackets for its soldiers,seeing that they're still struggling to get standard uniforms.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:52pm On Oct 17, 2014
MikeZA:
I doubt Nigeria even has tents.

And winter clothing such jackets for its soldiers,seeing that they're still struggling to get standard uniforms.

I am busy looking for that image they posted of one of their feild camps... the one with straw huts... that got destroyed by a rain-storm

Meanwhile in South Africa...

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by iconize(m): 5:53pm On Oct 17, 2014
ZDee:


[s]Stop denying your igboness, maybe I should invite those Ghanaian and yorubas who know your ethnicity, feeling ashamed? huh?

Blek luurve in 2014.

Genocide In Nigeria: Igbos Face Extinction - Politics
15. HISTORY OF MASSACRE AGAINST IBOS (City/Town
and Year)
v Jos 1945 v Kano genocide 1953
v 1966 pogroms- over 50, 000 killed
v 1967-70 – over 2,000,0000 killed
during the bloody civil war
v Kano 1980
v Maiduguri 1982
v Jimeta 1984
v Gombe 1985
v. Zaria 1987
v Kaduna & Kafanchan 1991
v Bauchi & Katsina 1991
v Kano 1991
v Zangon-Kataf 1992
v Funtua 1993
v Kano 1994
v Kaduna 2000
v Kaduna 2001
v Maiduguri 2001
v Kaduna 2002
v Beheading of Gideon Akaluka in
December of 1996 in Kano
v Saint Moritz killed December 2001
v Post April 2011 Presidential Election:
10 youth-corps men & women and
numerous citizens murdered because a
Christian Southerner was elected.
v Jos Christmas Eve 2010
v Madalla Christmas day 2011
v Mubi January 6 2012

[img]https://www.nairaland.com/attachments/1141025_Burnt_Corpse__jpg9845e6d5a1944077c29b4a612eb67baf[/s]


Apartheid dog, invite them. grin

I've never disclosed my nationality and ethnicity on this forum.

Blek on blek on, blek soil. Those were mostly riots and insurgency.

White on blek, on blek soil. grin


- Piet Retief Party

- Weenen massacre

- Leliefontein massacre

- Rand Rebellion March

- Sharpeville massacre


- Johannesburg Magistrate's Court bombing

- Shell House massacre

- Marikana massacre

The bullying and harassment continues. grin grin
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These continued for over 100years.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:54pm On Oct 17, 2014
patches689:


First, its not a report.

Second, its biased, so very blatantly.

You can bookmark it all you want. Its fairly irrelevant.

Look at the author


Apply critical thinking

Come to a conclusion.



Bla bla bla

This is not the first article detailing the sad state of the SANDF. We've seen many articles with the same body, from totally different sources. Again, neither would African-defense post a story which is un-confirmed.

Yes, I have applied critical thinking, and I have come to the conclusion that the SANDF is worse than what is reported.

You lack the basics from tents to aviation fuel to maritime and airspace domain awareness.

Your defence review and your defence minister has un-ambiguously stated your military is in a pathetic state of decline, saddled with an array of equipment it cannot maintain, operate or service.

This is the state of your military.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 5:54pm On Oct 17, 2014
vdGeist:
Mr lezz, everything you've posted has been posted before. Don't be excited. We've seen it all.

Go through this thread and other one I linked to . We can do this all day.... You won't shock anyone.

from this thread, this was posted.

over 70% of Nigerians live in slums grin grin

[img]http://grida.no/graphicslib/thumbs/1805c933-493c-4b85-be16-ad06eb342332/medium/slum-population-in-urban-africa_d7d6.jpg[/img]

http://blueprintng.com/new/2013/07/09/69-70-of-nigerians-still-live-in-slum-conditions-un/&sa=U&ei=rgdfUoO1C47b4AOroYH4BQ&ved=0CCcQFjAE&usg=AFQjCNHpbHmMZMZPdPa7MmsNAQPTI0ljZQ


SA housing stats
www.nairaland.com/attachments/1477419_housing_gifef3e99ee8a39365a0fcfe5bd7251d820
lol, my country, Nigeria isn't on the world's top 10 biggest slums
southafrica is 7th on the list. Say what you want, the world has its facts.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:56pm On Oct 17, 2014
MikeZA:
I doubt Nigeria even has tents.

And winter clothing such jackets for its soldiers,seeing that they're still struggling to get standard uniforms.

You should start from providing tents to your poorly equipped troops in the DRC.

You guys live in a fantasy land. How do you manage to live in a delusional state.

Impressive.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 5:59pm On Oct 17, 2014
MikeZA:
I doubt Nigeria even has tents.

And winter clothing such jackets for its soldiers,seeing that they're still struggling to get standard uniforms.
there isn't winter here, fool.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 5:59pm On Oct 17, 2014
Henry120:


Bla bla bla

This is not the first article detailing the sad state of the SANDF. We've seen many articles with the same body, from totally different sources. Again, neither would African-defense post a story which is un-confirmed.

Yes, I have applied critical thinking, and I have come to the conclusion that the SANDF is worse than what is reported.

You lack the basics from tents to aviation fuel to maritime and airspace domain awareness.

Your defence review and your defence minister has un-ambiguously stated your military is in a pathetic state of decline, saddled with an array of equipment it cannot maintain, operate or service.

This is the state of your military.

And all those sources are from similar authors with a simular agenda or veiw point, ironically, all of which have been posted by you (who also has the same agenda and veiwpoint).

We have tents - no where does it say that the SANDF lacks them.

We have aviation fuel - as cited by numerous sources

We maintain and operate all of our equipment - as cited by numerous sources

She said it is in a critical state of decline, from a high standard to a lower one.

Again, you post stuff, expect us to take it as the word of god and then stick your fingers in your ears and shout "LA-LA-LA-LA" when we post counter sources.

It shows how low you have to stoop to try to win points in this debate.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 6:00pm On Oct 17, 2014
patches689:


Correct. Then what did she say? What came out in the lawsuit? Who got fired?

We lacked tents in the DRC

The SANDF is based in South Africa

Come, slowly we will get you to comprehend: We have something in Point A, we didnt have that something in point B.

So it requires a lawsuit for the people of south-africa to know your military personnel deployed on foreign mission lack basic equipments, like tents.

WOW........ Just WOW!!!!!

So for more important equipments you obviously lack, how would people know?

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 6:01pm On Oct 17, 2014
Henry120:


You should start from providing tents to your poorly equipped troops in the DRC.

You guys live in a fantasy land. How do you manage to live in a delusional state.

Impressive.

Tents were delivered. And our troops in DRC are better equipped than your troops inside of Nigeria.

Again, you are making a mountain out of a mole-hill. It was a logistical SNAFU that is all.

Good lord, you are the one in the fantasy land

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