Shinatu:
@SirShymex.
I have found your posts on this topic very interesting and agree with you that change may have to come with the next generation, It is 'tough' to break a habit. We are the 'Transitional' generation and I beleive that is the reason for the many marriage failure.

I do not fully agree with you that men are natural leaders if they were, we would not have an issue with submision (whatever the variance of definition!) in relationships, believe me, if you lead a woman right today and lead her right tomorrow, she will follow you forever!

This is not even limited to women alone, be an obvious leader, leading people to solutions and you will always have followers.


There is a question I'll like to ask you, you have mentioned how you expect people to stick to the established roles and how ready you are to be the provider etc, what happens if for some reason you are not able to play the roles you mentioned in your marriage, how will you cope?

I agree with text in bold. And that's why a lot of men need to start learning more about how to be a proper male-figure, with great leadership qualities.

However, I'd say my reason for questioning women in leadership roles has to do with the emotional tendency, and the ease in which women always allow emotions take over the cerebral importance in decision making. When making important decisions, emotion is the last thing you want in the mix.

SirShymex:


Bwahahahah - delusional much?

I have never wanted someone submissive, and I've never been a fan of docile people.

My grouse has always been with disrespectful women, and those who're trying to change certain roles that are naturally for women folks e.g cooking.

LOL!

Everybody has grouse with disrespectful women and men

You must be a foodie foodie

bukatyne:


LOL!

Everybody has grouse with disrespectful women and men

You must be a foodie foodie

And oh, I forgot scandalous and jobless biitchy friends that most women keep. Those who have absolutely nothing going for them in their wretched lives, and all they ever do is give inane advice to destroy happy relationships/marriages. Especially, with things they can never do/accept. However, they all have answers to everyone's problems.

I absolutely love my privacy - not getting people involved in private issues is one virtue I cherish a lot.

I thought you were one of the intellectuals.why are you denying your club members?

crackhaus:

The rate at which 'self-acclaimed intellectuals' spit comments without pause for sound thought on here never cease to amaze me.

The other day it was one telling me she's a supporter of post-feminism

I cant believe this dude is still digging himself.. until you called my name.. i was out of this crappy debate


Submissiveness vs Submission (though from submit are different nuances...puhleeze)

Rather than state that is your own interpretation which is not English, youbring up your intellectual badge again and take potshots to fan your ego

youre so funny

To help those who are wondering about the mish mash

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/submission

Full Definition of SUBMISSION


1 a: a legal agreement to submit to the decision of arbitrators

b: an act of submitting something (as for consideration or inspection); also: something submitted (as a manuscript)

2 : the condition of being submissive, humble, or compliant


3 : an act of submitting to the authority or control of another

Let me help further

sub·mis·sive adjective \-ˈmi-siv\

: willing to obey someone else

: submitting to others <submissive employees>

— sub·mis·sive·lyadverb

Dude stick to your pan african and womanism isms... and stop attacking people
As an 'intellectual' you should know better

SirShymex:


And oh, I forgot scandalous and jobless biitchy friends that most women keep. Those who have absolutely nothing going for them in their wretched lives, and all they ever do is give inane advice to destroy happy relationships/marriages. Especially, with things they can never do/accept. However, they all have answers to everyone's problems.

I absolutely love my privacy - not getting people involved in private issues is one virtue I cherish a lot.

@bolded: absolutely agree except for the most women part

Some friends are really out to destroy relationships/marriages with I cannot take this/that while they are taking x100 in their closets. I remember a girl I knew while in university. She was one of the girls of a friend and so we tagged along. She called me one day and said I should free myself from bondage ( I met my hubby in 100L and this was like 300L). I was like 'how?' She said I do not get to go to parties, clubs etc. don't mingle with guys, follow my boyfriend about, cannot walk on my own etc. and I told her thanks and naturally told my hubby and we both laughed about it.

Some weeks later, we went to visit my friend and we saw this girl grinding pepper on stone (not saying it's bad) and we were just laughing. This is someone her guy beats and we will be begging for her/raking for the guy etc. She wanted me to join her freedom

If I was stup.i.d, I would have said yes, why don't I explore. I had many male colleagues tell me the same thing and I know that all they wanted was 'free punnany ' because they told my husband the same thing too

Emotional maturity is very important in a relationship else they will be tossed to and fro with their friends laughing at their fool.ish.ness behind them

But again, some friends mean well and can see what you are not seeing

@privacy: I absolutely love mine too. I have never sat down with one to discuss/gist/complain about my hubby in about 8yrs and counting

Lmao at this stark illiterate and king of gay - the only man that picks-a-beau.

This is tutoring for you.

Submission: the action of accepting or yielding to a superior force or to the will or authority of another person.

Submissive: inclined or willing to submit to orders...and characteristic of a slave or servant. A submissive, almost sheeplike people.

Submissiveness: the quality of being submissive.

Reference: dictionary.

Evidently, since submission is an act, it's based on competitive intent, and it can challenge the authority. But still yield/compromise. However, with submissive/submissiveness, it's an inherent behavioural characteristic. It means docility - with innate inclination to always submit to the authority, without any say.

I'll school you - and give ya gay ar.se to jailbirds, to molest ya bum-hole some more for being a stark illiterate, and a nuisance, you panda IQ having bum. Flaming phaggot!

since you are the one that knows other peoples sexuality.. carry on

A Submissive woman may be different from a woman who is practicing submission

Lawdy lawd


You have started believing the BS you say about yourself

At least its a break from your typical AntiNaija, ProIjebu rants..

Oh,.. i forgot... youre the flaming phaggot... people like you that are so obsessed with gay ish r typically closet ones

check yourself dude

You're a stark illiterate and a phaggot. Your handle only exudes phaggotry.

It's obvious you also have problems with reading and comprehension. The dictionary clearly stated that: submission is an ACT - while submissive is a characteristic and it qualified it with "willing."

Evidently, if you're not a stark illiterate you should be able to deduce the difference between "an act" and "a characteristic" - that's basically self-explanatory to every student of the English language.

If English language isn't your first language, don't ever challenge me about the nuances in the interpretation of the use of English. GTFOH flaming phaggot!

SirShymex:


Intellectually, I'll flog you like a slave on the plantation - and crack ya head open.

When you're ready, you can get in the ring - and bring ya homoerotic partner - the only male that picks-a-beau with you.

Two for the price of one - buy one get one free.

LML *Stolen

BananaBender:


LML *Stolen

That stark illiterate is a flaming phaggot!

Have you ever seen a straight guy pick-a-beau? - FML.

These plonkers just love messing up the English language, with their medieval interpretations of basic words. I won't be surprised when they start saying "creation" and "creativeness" are the same thing.

All i see is spit and vehement bigotry
Whats happening to you

Ok.. you win

You are the illiterate one that cant engage in a convo withot smattering it with irrelevancies

As i said check yourself.. you may have a bit of strange in you... double flaming fhaggot

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/submission


For those of us not given to 'intellectualistic' flights of fancy.. Websters Dictionary will do for us

Full Definition of SUBMISSION

[size=4pt]
1 a: a legal agreement to submit to the decision of arbitrators

b: an act of submitting something (as for consideration or inspection); also: something submitted (as a manuscript) [/size]

[size=18pt]2 : the condition of being submissive, humble, or compliant
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[size=4pt]3 : an act of submitting to the authority or control of another [/size]

@SirShymex,

I also dislike disrespectful men so I know exactly how you feel.

On women leaders, I lead a team of twelve individuals in a Technology driven industry, I may not be the best or be exceptional, but I have always fallen above average during the company's annual performance appraisal. Maybe I have a limit but I have apparently not reached it yet!

You did not answer the question I asked you in my previous post, I will respect your wish if you do not want to answer it, I just want to be sure that you saw it.

FML - the quote clearly stated "condition" yet this stark illiterate keeps repeating the same thing like a monkey.

Condition = an act, which involves factors/circumstances - not something that's innately a characteristic.

That alone is self-explanatory, and it shows that with "submission" you're not inherently docile like with "submissiveness." You're competitive, and you have a say, barring factors/circumstances.

You keep exposing your illiteracy - you primeval duffer and village bum. Go back to elementary school!

Yawn,,,. .... this is getting boring

The more this plonker twists and twists to justify his post ab initio
Heck.. add some homophobic rants.. that will legitimise my post... classic
Dont you have some rants elsewhere on the impacts of blackism on some ism bla bla bla

You win... are you fulfilled

SirShymex:

Lmao, the fact that you had to wait for 24 hours to find your voice is laughable. And also, the fact that you've got three dunderheads cosigning you just adds credence to what I've always said about folks on this forum not being able to comprehend basic use of English. I was going to call you a stark illiterate, but I'll refrain from that because you've shown a little bit of wit in the past. So, your problem might be that English language isn't your first language - and I'll give you a pass for that.

The English language is pretty much straight-forward. And even when certain words look alike, and are either synonyms or from the same tree - there are always nuances. Just because both words are from "submit" that doesn't make them the same thing. That's like saying: "creation" and "creativeness" are the same because they're both from the word "create."

Submissiveness even in the marriage context is a quality and behavioural characteristic of whoever is submissive in the marriage. With submissiveness, you have absolutely no say in whatever the authority does. And you're basically a docile entity and perpetually so, with no opinion whatsoever.

However, with submission - it is an act not a characteristic, of compliance/compromise/understanding. And with this, you're not perpetually docile/passive - and you can have a say and opinions.

Mister since it seems you love the dictionary so much, can you please define submission?

Here are some short definitions to guide you genius:
-The state of being submissive or
compliant; meekness.

-The condition of being submissive,
humble, or compliant

-The action of accepting or yielding to a
superior force or to the will or authority of
another person.

The last definition is in bold for a reason but if you can't figure it out, here goes again genius:

While you were trying desperately to refer to 'submissiveness' as archaic/medieval, you didn't realize that 'submission' going by that last definition is exactly what you think is wrong with the word 'submissiveness'.

Now do you understand why 'submission' and 'submissiveness' in marriage is not about being docile or treated like a slave?
It's not about the dictionary definitions genius, it's a whole different meaning as regards marriage.

P.S
That bit about waiting 24hrs to reply you is weak bruh, you have always been one known to think too highly of yourself.
Unlike you, I don't make unnecessary comments everyday just to prove I've got balls...and if I didn't know better, I would think you have some traces of the female hormone estrogen in you with the way you bark ceaselessly every single day around these parts.

That is a compliment.

Yes, I'll always win because I'm a shrewd mofo.

And tutoring stark illiterates is my new ministry.

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crackhaus:

Mister since it seems you love the dictionary so much, can you please define submission?

Here are some short definitions to guide you genius:
-The state of being submissive or
compliant; meekness.

-The condition of being submissive,
humble, or compliant

-The action of accepting or yielding to a
superior force or to the will or authority of
another person.

The last definition is in bold for a reason but if you can't figure it out, here goes again genius:
While you were trying desperately to refer to 'submissiveness' as archaic/medieval, you didn't realize that 'submission' going by that last definition is exactly what you think is wrong with the word 'submissiveness'.

Now do you understand why 'submission' and 'submissiveness' in marriage is not about being docile or treated like a slave?
It's not about the dictionary definitions genius, it's a whole different meaning as regards marriage.

P.S
That bit about waiting 24hrs to reply you is weak bruh, you have always been one known to think too highly of yourself.
Unlike you, I don't make unnecessary comments everyday just to prove I've got balls...and if I didn't know better, I would think you have some traces of the female hormone estrogen in you with the way you bark ceaselessly every single day around these parts.

That is a compliment.

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Go back and read the tutoring session I gave ya butt buddy.

And hopefully, you'll learn a thing or two, and improve your use of English.

Thank me later, crack-a-butt.

Nigguh puhleeze....

win? more like whine

what latest -ism have you propounded lately..


When you have someone that has no point or adds any value to a discourse.. attack his sexuality or his moniker

From the book of the judge

u have ur head so far up your own azz... u started breathing oxygen again

bukatyne:

@bolded: absolutely agree except for the most women part

Some friends are really out to destroy relationships/marriages with I cannot take this/that while they are taking x100 in their closets. I remember a girl I knew while in university. She was one of the girls of a friend and so we tagged along. She called me one day and said I should free myself from bondage ( I met my hubby in 100L and this was like 300L). I was like 'how?' She said I do not get to go to parties, clubs etc. don't mingle with guys, follow my boyfriend about, cannot walk on my own etc. and I told her thanks and naturally told my hubby and we both laughed about it.

Some weeks later, we went to visit my friend and we saw this girl grinding pepper on stone (not saying it's bad) and we were just laughing. This is someone her guy beats and we will be begging for her/raking for the guy etc. She wanted me to join her freedom

If I was stup.i.d, I would have said yes, why don't I explore. I had many male colleagues tell me the same thing and I know that all they wanted was 'free punnany ' because they told my husband the same thing too

Emotional maturity is very important in a relationship else they will be tossed to and fro with their friends laughing at their fool.ish.ness behind them

But again, some friends mean well and can see what you are not seeing

@privacy: I absolutely love mine too. I have never sat down with one to discuss/gist/complain about my hubby in about 8yrs and counting

Interesting story.

However, regardless of how well they mean - it's always better to keep certain private issues in the private. Because outsiders won't be privy to the dynamics of what's actually going on, apart from hearsay. And with that, people will always tell stories in a way that will favour them - that's just how it's

SirShymex:


Intellectually, I'll flog you like a slave on the plantation - and crack ya head open.

When you're ready, you can get in the ring - and bring ya homoerotic partner - the only male that picks-a-beau with you.

Two for the price of one - buy one get one free.

Again with the delusions, do you really want to go there?

Your connery and buffoonery aside, you're mostly an intellectual halfwit...one whose pseudo-intelligence is masked under excessive bragging and repeated use of fancy words.
Your low self-esteem or lack of thereof is only rivalled by your propensity to drop opinions that are for the most part the opinions of people/schools of thought before you - nothing original.

Again, being an intellectual halfwit is a compliment...it means you're not totally stvpid.

And about bringing partners to fight my battles, dude unlike you who runs around with your side bytch 50cali just to engage females, I fight my battles alone when I really want to...ya better recognize

Shinatu:
@SirShymex,

I also dislike disrespectful men so I know exactly how you feel.

On women leaders, I lead a team of twelve individuals in a Technology driven industry, I may not be the best or be exceptional, but I have always fallen above average during the company's annual performance appraisal. Maybe I have a limit but I have apparently not reached it yet!

You did not answer the question I asked you in my previous post, I will respect your wish if you do not want to answer it, I just want to be sure that you saw it.

I answered your question. Personally, I just think the innate emotional tendency of women always cloud their sense of judgement sometimes when it comes to decision making. And when it involves crucial decisions, emotion is the last thing you want involved.

Then again, there might be a few women out there who don't fall into this box. Like there's always an exception to everything. However, we always have to deal with the majority.

Dis man has said it all! I keep telling ppl dis but dey don't believe, things have really changed. Even den, d men were more responsible&will do whatever it takes 2 provide&protect deir families, but nw a man lost his job d nxt thin is 2 sit @ home with his paper&be bragging "I'm a graduate" as if dat will withdraw money 4rm d bank&xpecting d wife 2 do his responsibilities&still be xpecting u 2 be submitting. Submission shud come naturally,by natural I mean u earn it&not demand 4 it.

crackhaus:


Now do you understand why 'submission' and 'submissiveness' in marriage is not about being docile or treated like a slave?
It's not about the dictionary definitions genius, it's a whole different meaning as regards marriage.

Where did you get your "whole different meaning as regards marriage"?? The bible??

@SirShymex,

Now I know that you did not see my question, I'll repeat it below.


There is a question I'll like to ask you, you have mentioned how you expect people to stick to the established roles and how ready you are to be the provider etc, what happens if for some reason you are not able to play the roles you mentioned in your marriage, how will you cope?

cococandy:
I thought you were one of the intellectuals.why are you denying your club members?

I am? Thank you.

I don't remember referring to myself as such, that would put me in a tough spot where I think I'm/have to be right all the time.

My problem with noise-maker shy and your friend carefree is the pompous beating of chests/breasts when calling themselves intellectuals.
I have made it my duty to humble them by spotting some slip-ups these supposed intellectuals shouldn't be having, I've almost succeeded with carefree but this dude here is way past getting any help...

Self-acclaimed, get it?

I need a simplified dictionary to survive on this thread smh

crackhaus:

Again with the delusions, do you really want to go there?

Your connery and buffoonery aside, you're mostly an intellectual halfwit...one whose pseudo-intelligence is masked under excessive bragging and repeated use of fancy words.
Your low self-esteem or lack of thereof is only rivalled by your propensity to drop opinions that are for the most part the opinions of people/schools of thought before you - nothing original.

Again, being an intellectual halfwit is a compliment...it means you're not totally stvpid.

About bringing partners to fight my battles, dude unlike you who runs around with your side bytch 50cali just to engage females, I fight my battles alone when I really want to...ya better recognize

Lmao @ this stark illiterate, and a primeval village dwelling bum trying to get brolic with his fifth decimal IQ. If Margaret Sanger were still alive, you'd be the first in line for eugenics experimentation, you homo-habilis from the Hominini tribe with impaired brain cells.

If I ever see the word "intellectual" in your post again, I'll blow ya brain fart out, and sacrifice ya carcass to the African gods. You're a curse to humanity - an accursed and unevolved Cro-Magnon whose embryo should been aborted, before it left the fallopian tube, you slobbering and hunger induced anorexic git. A gormless idi.ot and a perpetual duffer.

And didn't yields also whooped ya bum ar.se on a next thread yesterday, about your id.iocy when it comes to basic statistics? Evidently, your problem isn't just the use of English - you're just utterly dumb, a waste of whatever money ya parents spent on you to attend whatever backwater school you crawled out from. A product of artificial insemination, with incurable birth defects and mental disorders, you slobbering bastard and an illegitimate son of an eunuch father.

Even ya pops and his lineage combined will never stand a chance with me intellectually.

Shinatu:
@SirShymex,
Now I know that you did not see my question, I'll repeat it below.

There is a question I'll like to ask you, you have mentioned how you expect people to stick to the established roles and how ready you are to be the provider etc, what happens if for some reason you are not able to play the roles you mentioned in your marriage, how will you cope?

Well, if it gets to that stage (highly unlikely), it's my responsibility to compromise on a few things - without necessarily losing my manhood. Perhaps, since that will create a space whereby I'll have more time on my hands - I'll probably have to help out with things within the house. Maybe with the kids, and other things - just to put the pressure off her a bit.

SirShymex:
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Go back and read the tutoring session I gave ya butt buddy.

And hopefully, you'll learn a thing or two, and improve your use of English.

Thank me later, crack-a-butt.

I thought you've made it clear English isn't my first language, who cares?
I'm a numbers, logics, and formulas man...not a damn linguist

What are the dictionary definitions of both words dude? You don't have to post it here.
Look it up from your handy dictionary companion and tell me the difference between them.

If you're still not getting the point, it's this:

Using a dictionary definition to discredit 'submissiveness' should also result in discrediting 'submission'... they both basically subjugate and make inconsequential the role of the submissive party.

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crackhaus:

I thought you've made it clear English isn't my first language, who cares?
I'm a numbers, logics, and formulas man...not a damn linguist

What are the dictionary definitions of both words dude? You don't have to post it here.
Look it up from your handy dictionary companion and tell me the difference between them.

If you're still not getting the point, it's this:

Using a dictionary definition to discredit 'submissiveness' should also result in discrediting 'submission'... they both basically subjugate and make inconsequential the role of the submissive party.

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Sod off, bummy illiterate!

Go read the tutoring I gave ya butt buddy.

If you can't read - get someone to translate my posts to ya local dialect.