So I'm sitting at the lounge of a well known park and heading to Lagos. Its 6.30am in the morning and I'm thinking I should have been here earlier. I'm patiently waiting to get my ticket when this 'lady' pushes thru to the front. I glance at what she is wearing and I mentally gawk in amazement.

Its a gym workout suit. You know, the kind new-yorkers wear, extremely fitted and very tough but light fabric that leaves absolutely nothing to the imagination. Absolutely nothing. Her buttcrack is very visible and her gluteus is covered in celulite as evidenced by the subtle bumps on her posterior. The front...OK I tried really hard not to look but curiosity got the better of me and yep; the cameltoe was on easy display for all to see. The top was better off, or maybe because I'm used to seeing skimpy tops I don't really know.


Funny enough, what comes to my mind isn't that the woman is loose or how can she stomach all the stares she is receiving, or how she can't possibly know this is a gym suit and not meant for travelling. What comes to my mind is that the Westerners are spoiling us rotten. They are corrupting our minds and debasing our way of life so much that we don't even know when we are making fools of ourselves. How can a woman walk out of her house this Unclad this early in the morning with the mind that she is going to Lagos? What is wrong with her thinking faculty?

If it was in the past an elder would have gone to correct her or shame would not have allowed her expose her unclothedness like this; but now if a person approaches her the person will be told to mind his own business, its a free world, wetin your eye find go there, its her body let her do with it as she likes, it is the inward appearance that matters, the person should stop living in the 19th century, his mind is dirty, etc, the list of excuses to correct wrong when we see it is endless.

We as a people are gradually losing our identity and morality. Soon we will have serialrapists aand killers, soon we will have increased incidences of teenage suicide and morbid obesity. Porn0graphy is already fully embedded in the activities of our youths. All these things that were previously alien to our culture. As if the horrors we have are not enough.

And yet we still support the white man's values and way of life. We shout down those who try to speak up, citing their successful economy as a pass to emulate them no matter what they are doing. We are destroying ourselves with our own hands and are happy to do so.

This lady has passed by for the fifth time and almost all the passengers are looking at her. One or two guys are grinning but most of the other guys have frowns on their faces and a few women have gathered the courage to hiss but she obviously doesn't care. After all, she has been taught to ignore haters.

Haters gon' hate.

Sigh.
Signing off jo.

You know the world is weird when you see guys dress covered up and women are comfortably half or almost nãked.
Case in point the big brother

Saw some clips in a friend's house

There was one last just in a bra thing..i could see her nïpples clearly and she was so ok

The guys no even send

Is it westernisation..maybe
But our fathers were not so covered too anyway

Is it debasement of values.... definitely
But while it stays we will enjoy our fill of eye candy


Abeg bros don't spoil shows for us

LOL

Like someone once posted,
women are comfortable
wearing bikinis,sports wears and anything exposing their private ministry
but if you mistakenly
come-in on them wearing
pant and bra,
they would scream,cry and
run for cover.

It's epic,I cannot say more.
Lets just stop blaming the West for everything that goes wrong in our society today.

Because we are even becoming more Western than the West.

Call them hypocrites, call them fanatics, but you can't take their sense of modest dressing from them.

One of the good things I like about Muslims up North.

The Arab culture is still strong there.

5minsmadness:


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...If it was in the past an elder would have gone to correct her or shame would not have allowed her expose her unclothedness like this; but now if a person approaches her the person will be told to mind his own business, its a free world, wetin your eye find go there, its her body let her do with it as she likes, it is the inward appearance that matters, the person should stop living in the 19th century, his mind is dirty, etc, the list of excuses to correct wrong when we see it is endless.

But that's just it - we aren't in past anymore (thank goodness) - and the sooner you lot realize that, the better. Times have changed and people - no scratch that - women, have got more freedom of choice to do what they want, when the want, where they want and how they want. And yes, people should learn to mind their own businesses, especially men with roving eyes who feel it's their ordained right to monitor and impose their opinions on women out there.

Looking elsewhere wouldn't have killed you.

5minsmadness:

We as a people are gradually losing our identity and morality. Soon we will have serialrapists aand killers, soon we will have increased incidences of teenage suicide and morbid obesity. Porn0graphy is already fully embedded in the activities of our youths. All these things that were previously alien to our culture. As if the horrors we have are not enough.

I fail to see the correlation between a woman choosing to dress as she chooses and your serial rr.apists, killers, incidents of teenage suicide and morbid obesity! The lady in question wasn't infringing upon anyone's rights was she? So how can you compare her to serial rr.apists and killers who commit crimes against others?

What has her choosing to dress the way she deems fit got to do with teenage suicides and people suffering from morbid obesity?

The woman you've got so much angst towards wasn't even nnaked. What would you say about men whipping out their John Thomases to wee up tree trunks in full glare of the public's view? Or your average l.una.tic strolling casually on the street bu.tt n.ak.ed?


Please leave women alone, and learn to let live.

And wen ppl see any woman who choose to be covered very well, they say she's archaic or she's boko haram or she's a religious slave, I honestly don't knw how we think! To the extent dat some secondary skul students are clamouring to have hijab as part of dia skul uniforms to cover dia hair and dia chest region(cos the skul uniforms are worn to be tight so thereby revealing the shapes of students bossoms) and some ppl are saying it's nt possible, smtin dat it's optional nt compulsory o!

I don't know what to say @op but I have gotten use to all half-naked dressing and most men have gotten used to it. The key is look at it very well and take your eyes off. But I tell you, I hate to see grannies in those stuffs

@5minmadness the fact is that the West didn't corrupt us in that regard.
It is actually the other way round.
African culture is that of unclothedness or half clad kind of dressing if I may call it that.

We are the ones who exported unclothedness to the West while they brought their prim and proper kind of dressing to us.
Now the west is more African than Africans in terms of unclothedness while we are forming more Western than the West by trying to enforce prim and proper dressing.

Enough of blaming them for everything that goes wrong with our society.

Eesh.

haftob:
And wen ppl see any woman who choose to be covered very well, they say she's archaic or she's boko haram or she's a religious slave, I honestly don't knw how we think! To the extent dat some secondary skul students are clamouring to have hijab as part of dia skul uniforms to cover dia hair and dia chest region(cos the skul uniforms are worn to be tight so thereby revealing the shapes of students bossoms) and some ppl are saying it's nt possible, smtin dat it's optional nt compulsory o!

Does being wrapped from head to toe in an oversized tent provide 100% protection to women, from being rr.aped, so.do.mi.zed, or even getting killed?

Some parts of Africa have nuude breats exhibitions as part of their culture.
Nigerian culture for most parts include half dressing,skimpy wraps et al as the core of our dressing.
The West brought cloths to us because they saw us as naked African gorrillas.

Now you're saying they are the ones who introduced us to nudity?
Be serious pls.

If you're talking about. Our identity as Africans,half nude is one part of it.what you're actually doing is asking us to throw away our culture as Africans and embrace prim and proper dressing which used to be Western culture.

cococandy:
@5minmadness the fact is that the West didn't corrupt us in that regard.
It is actually the other way round.
African culture is that of unclothedness or half clad kind of dressing if I may call it that.

We are the ones who exported unclothedness to the West while they brought their prim and proper kind of dressing to us.
Now the west is more African than Africans in terms of unclothedness while we are forming more Western than the West by trying to enforce prim and proper dressing.

Enough of blaming them for everything that goes wrong with our society.

Eesh.

Good point.

When the colonial masters and missionaries came back (again) after the slavery era, they (especially the women) came ashore swapped in layers upon layers of hot clothing - as per their Victorian ways of dressings.

A quick look at some of the late 19th century pictures snapped with their pin-hole cameras reveals the Africans in the villages were running around bu.tt n.aked.

Even more n.a.ke.d than the poor lady 5minmadness couldn't stop og.ling at, at the bus stop.

Don't mind them.
This forum ehn?
Every small thing. West this West that. Yada yada yada.

Only someone who's not observant will go not noticing how much we are also affecting the West with our own culture.I don't see them whining and gripping about how African culture is affecting them.

Cultures evolve. 5min make person hear word abeg.

EfemenaXY:


Good point.

When the colonial masters and missionaries came back (again) after the slavery era, they (especially the women) came ashore swapped in layers upon layers of hot clothing - as per their Victorian ways of dressings.

A quick look at some of the late 19th century pictures snapped with their pin-hole cameras reveals the Africans in the villages were running around bu.tt n.aked.

Even more n.a.ke.d than the poor lady 5minmadness couldn't stop og.ling at, at the bus stop.

A woman decides to dress up and its somehow the fault of the " west" the same west that gave you phone and internet to type this epistle.

If only Africans will put their house in order instead of thinking se- x how to born and oppress others we will be too busy achieving things instead of turning out half baked theories on how bad the west is. Common malaria vaccine we cant develop we will be importing champagne, range rovers and all the latest cars from stolen money and still find a way to blame the west for our stupidity.

Please get your priorities right put your house in order and stop looking for scape goats as usual.

When do we take responsibility for our actions? Why must we always find someone or something to blame?
Please drop your western invented car and drive keke napep at least that is assembled in nigeria even though the parts are not made here.

What phones have we developed in africa again Please go and get that and use.

Shameless race we are. We will defend all sort of backwardness then still look for those developing their world and even sharing some of that development to abuse.

If not for Bill Gates an athiest for that matter Nigerians and Africans will be dropping dead from HIV TB and Malaria, the counterpart funding we are suppose to provide to substatiate what they give only 15 percent na war. Still some wicked Nigerians will go and be chopping the money donated by these same westerners and even be using it to pay " tithe".

Go and get busy invent something and leave the west alone. If you hate development abandon all these oyibo gadget, clean water and go live in a cage make we hear

Yes Arab culture.
Not African culture.
African culture includes nudity.

Africa should pls stop corrupting other parts of the world with nudity.

yousee:
Call them hypocrites, call them fanatics, but you can't take their sense of modest dressing from them.

One of the good things I like about Muslims up North.

The Arab culture is still strong there.

Lol, we can rewrite history, ehn? Most Nigerians need to take a class or two in their precolonial history before ranting about the West. I don't know why the Nigerian educational system does not make History compulsory for every Nigerian. What most of you deem as 'in the past' started from 1960- post colonial Nigeria. In a bid to worship the 'queen' more than the British, we became more conservative than the frigid Brits. Se...x that was not inhibited for the African woman was now inhibited even in marriage because as an upright Christian or Muslim woman, 'thou shalt not know how to p..oke'. , only the man should rotflmao. Some African cultures teach their girls how to have se.xxxx. Today our mothers can't even broach the subject of se.xxxx to us.
When it comes to nudity, I don't shoot my mouth, because that is the natural state of some African societies, and it will be highly, highly hypocritical to blame the West. You are the one influencing the West. Western women have tagged it 'free the nipple', google Rumer Willis and her campaign for 'freeing the nipple' in a bid to copy us, of course . Do you know that some Igbo women went around beating up women that adopted the Western style of covering their bre..asts? Do you know a woman could divorce her husband in Igbo culture? But today Nigerians would shout it's the West corrupting us. As I said, go learn your real history before blaming the West.

There was a thread a few days ago where people posted pictures of men in fraud marriages who desired to live in the "evil" West and therefore married grannies.

I don't remember many people complaining about the poor moral standards of people doing such for the sake of green card.


Hypocrisy everywhere.

Its only when u put ur two legs in the river dat u wil get washed away by the current... So dat is also the same case with westernization...its left for u to either folow the trend or not..

cococandy:
Some parts of Africa have nuude breats exhibitions as part of their culture.
Nigerian culture for most parts include half dressing,skimpy wraps et al as the core of our dressing.
The West brought cloths to us because they saw us as naked African gorrillas.

Now you're saying they are the ones who introduced us to nudity?
Be serious pls.

If you're talking about. Our identity as Africans,half nude is one part of it.what you're actually doing is asking us to throw away our culture as Africans and embrace prim and proper dressing which used to be Western culture.

Was going to say this(not condoning being immodest or dressing provocatively) but our weather means we actually need less clothes.OP based on your description I think she was even more covered than someone probably wearing a short ankara wrapper cos track(or gym) top/bottoms actually cover you up problem was probably more with sizing which was why her full body form was in display.


I got out my jumpers and winter coats today with much sorrow You don't even want to know how people in the west look forward to summer so they can wear less clothes.One tiny bit of sun like this they go just dey remove cloth anyhow.

I think back and wonder how I used to wear trouser suit and shirt back in the days of non airconditoned car

On lagos-ore traffic. Network is horrible.

Notice how its majority of you ladies supporting the blatant nakednes5 of this woman, probably cos y'all think am being prudish. I'm not. I'm just trying yo exercise a little common sense here.


Who in their right minds will wear a gym suit to travel? A GYM SUIT What kind of yeye liberty is that? And yes even in my village young girls with full breasts still walk about in some remote areas but that doesnt mean cococandy or efemena will now decide to go topless in the city! Haba. Let's be honest for once. I would have taken her picture but that could have been a bad idea as in invasion of her privacy. And anyway we are not talking of a sweet sixteen here, I would place her at 30-40yrs. It was more of fermented eye cheese and not eye candy that we were being 'forced' to watch.

5minsmadness:
On lagos-ore traffic. Network is horrible.

Notice how its majority of you ladies supporting the blatant nakednes5 of this woman, probably cos y'all think am being prudish. I'm not. I'm just trying yo exercise a little common sense here.


Who in their right minds will wear a gym suit to travel? A GYM SUIT What kind of yeye liberty is that? And yes even in my village young girls with full breasts still walk about in some remote areas but that doesnt mean cococandy or efemena will now decide to go topless in the city! Haba. Let's be honest for once. I would have taken her picture but that could have been a bad idea as in invasion of her privacy. And anyway we are not talking of a sweet sixteen here, I would place her at 30-40yrs. It was more of fermented eye cheese and not eye candy that we were being 'forced' to watch.

i dunno about you - i think i prefer the way women dress these days than it was in the victorian era. ladies, please free the nippleś

I am well aware of our African culture and tradition, thank you very much. I once posted an expose on the famous mapouka dance and how much more sexually liberated our African women were than their white counterparts before colonialization decimated our way of life.

The truth of the matter is, that is not our mentality anymore. The sake white folk are the ones that made us realise that walking around in our palm leaves and near unclothedness was shameful. No one will do that now and be seen as a normal han being. Our parents would tell us that young men and women of marriagable age would bath together in the same stream and no one saw anything wrong in it. There were no massive rapes or molestations then either. Our morality was intact. However when the westerners came they convinced us that such things were shameful and with time we believed them. Things changed. Morality was knittes together with decency and religion. Now all of a sudden our girls are flaunting their cameltoes and all we can say is we did it before?? It was in our culture? I should accept everything western cos i'm using an ipad? What kind of warped thinking is that? Indecency is indecency!

Well. I'm just stating my opinion sha. Maybe I'm too old fashioned in my thinking but God help me I intend to raise my daughter to know the difference between being liberated and exhibiting her privates in the name of modernization.

5minsmadness:
I am well aware of our African culture and tradition, thank you very much. I once posted an expose on the famous mapouka dance and how much more sexually liberated our African women were than their white counterparts before colonialization decimated our way of life.

what is mapouka dance?

The truth of the matter is, that is not our mentality anymore. The sake white folk are the ones that made us realise that walking around in our palm leaves and near unclothedness was shameful. No one will do that now and be seen as a normal han being. Our parents would tell us that young men and women of marriagable age would bath together in the same stream and no one saw anything wrong in it. There were no massive rapés or molestations then either. Our morality was intact. However when the westerners came they convinced us that such things were shameful and with time we believed them. Things changed. Morality was knittes together with decency and religion. Now all of a sudden our girls are flaunting their cameltoes and all we can say is we did it before?? It was in our culture? I should accept everything western cos i'm using an ipad? What kind of warped thinking is that? Indecency is indecency!

colonisation & christianity had africans convinced that half-nüdity is immoral. as years rolled by, even the western folks are abandoning christianity & are sticking to their fundamental human rights.

to be fair to our women, the climate in africa does not favour full-clothing. visit anywhere remotely close to the tropical climate we have in africa & every chic is bikini-clad. how then are our ladies immoral? what is even immoral? if you see a woman in bikini by the pool-side or lekki beach, would you say she's immoral?

why is it any different if you see her dressed like that on the street? if you can control yourself on the beach, where's that same self-control on the street? really, everyone needs to change their orientation.

Well. I'm just stating my opinion sha. Maybe I'm too old fashioned in my thinking but God help me I intend to raise my daughter to know the difference between being liberated and exhibiting her privates in the name of modernization.

maybe you are living in the wrong century.

She might have been on the way to the gym.

yousee:
Call them hypocrites, call them fanatics, but you can't take their sense of modest dressing from them.

One of the good things I like about Muslims up North.

The Arab culture is still strong there.

You should have said Arab influence.

The hypocrisy in this country is downright annoying to say the least.

We have fully clothed thieves everywhere and you are here talking of morals cos you saw n1pples, mschew.

No one is supporting immodesty.
Only saying it's unfair to blame it on the west

5minsmadness:
On lagos-ore traffic. Network is horrible.

Notice how its majority of you ladies supporting the blatant nakednes5 of this woman, probably cos y'all think am being prudish. I'm not. I'm just trying yo exercise a little common sense here.


Who in their right minds will wear a gym suit to travel? A GYM SUIT What kind of yeye liberty is that? And yes even in my village young girls with full breasts still walk about in some remote areas but that doesnt mean cococandy or efemena will now decide to go topless in the city! Haba. Let's be honest for once. I would have taken her picture but that could have been a bad idea as in invasion of her privacy. And anyway we are not talking of a sweet sixteen here, I would place her at 30-40yrs. It was more of fermented eye cheese and not eye candy that we were being 'forced' to watch.

Thank God for colonization .

I can pick flaws with almost every line of your argument here, 5minsmadness.

5minsmadness:
I am well aware of our African culture and tradition, thank you very much. I once posted an expose on the famous mapouka dance and how much more sexually liberated our African women were than their white counterparts before colonialization decimated our way of life.

Okay then. So you do agree that it's been our culture to roam go about our business, either in the nu.de or near-nu.de? So why then do you blame it on Western Influence, seeing as this is how things were, way before the white man stepped foot on our soil?

5minsmadness:
The truth of the matter is, that is not our mentality anymore. The same white folk are the ones that made us realise that walking around in our palm leaves and near unclothedness was shameful. No one will do that now and be seen as a normal human being.

What is normal? Who decides what's normal and what isn't?

Our culture is our culture and there's no shame in that. Like someone pointed out earlier, cultures and trends do evolve over time. Even the foreign influences you mention have had cultural changes and are still changing. They too have nud.is.ts camps, beaches, and even towns in both Europe and the USA and they are proud to flaunt what they've got without embarassment. So who determines the shamefulness you mention?

Besides, the woman you saw at the bus stop wasn't dressed in palm fronds covering just her essential bits, was she?

5minsmadness:
Our parents would tell us that young men and women of marriageable age would bath together in the same stream and no one saw anything wrong in it.

What other alternatives were there to communal bathing? Even the Roman did it too.

That aside, my guess is that communal bathing was down to practicality and convenience. Additionally, they must have felt there was safety in numbers as per it was better for them to go as a crowd at certain times of the day rather than individually, as and when they pleased. The men being there would have provided that extra protection to their women folk and children from opportunistic raiders / kidnappers.

5minsmadness:

There were no massive rapes or molestations then either. Our morality was intact.

There couldn't have been "massive rr.ape.s or molestations" because single instances of it happening would have procured dire consequences on the offenders. A brutal death in public view plus an everlasting stain on an offender's family name for generations to come would have been an effective deterrent.

5minsmadness:
However when the westerners came they convinced us that such things were shameful and with time we believed them. Things changed. Morality was knittes together with decency and religion. Now all of a sudden our girls are flaunting their cameltoes and all we can say is we did it before?? It was in our culture? I should accept everything western cos i'm using an ipad? What kind of warped thinking is that? Indecency is indecency!

You still don't get it. There is nothing Western about an African lady going about her business in the hot tropical sun have undressed. It was happening long before the foreigners arrived. And there was nothing indecent about it. What's indecent are your lustful thoughts towards women dressed in what you perceive to be "inappropriate" attire.

5minsmadness:
Well. I'm just stating my opinion sha. Maybe I'm too old fashioned in my thinking but God help me I intend to raise my daughter to know the difference between being liberated and exhibiting her privates in the name of modernization.

And when you and your future sons decide to take a ppiss up your nearby tree in full public glare, isn't that exhibiting your privates? Isn't that indecent too? Or is it just being liberated?

I dont know why people cant just mind their business in that Obodo Nigeria. *sigh*

They just have to gawk, comment and go as far as creating a thread on Nairaland.

OP Gym suit like this ? Me I even think except the park was air conditioned she must have been hot believe me gym suits are not the go to outfits to exude se.xiness.more like comfort wear on the days you just can't be bothered.

Chic probably wanted to be comfortable on her journey.

ladygogo:
I dont know why people cant just mind their business in that Obodo Nigeria. *sigh*

They just have to gawk, comment and go as far as creating a thread on Nairaland.

He was driven by lust for the chick, and so just had to open a thread to vent out his frustrations, blaming it on Western influence.

I tire o.i just tire




In Nigeria every body will come out and be feigning moral uprightness yet we have filthy and disgusting streets every where in lagos and Nigeria. Government will give contractor money to do road, they will use the millions of naira to build houses in their village and do a substandard work that costs very little compared to what they have been given


a chairman of a local government will claim or feign ignorance when some touts strip some women naked and are ramming sticks and orisirisi into their private part. Some leaders to will carry 9billion to South Africa and be feigning fighting terrorism, some other people who claim to be mob will lynch another human being to death for stealing 5,000 naira.



Baby making factory nko? Or kidnapping of little girls and trafficking them for prostitution or turning them to sex slaves, yet some people will sit on high horses feigning self righteousness and looking down at another because she wore something she feels good in.



seriously i don't understand the way some people think. The whole world knows Nigeria is a freaking hypocritical, vindictive, self righteous and poverty striken country. Our moral and financial poverty is stinking to high heavens. Yet someone wearing whatever she's wearing has now become other people's problems. Smh

ELLYsian:
What morality?

The country is full of corrupt people, fraudsters and cheats and you point your fingers at other nations?
Nigerians are famous for being morally crooked and I am not sure whether putting the blame on other countries, that are on average morally better developed, will solve anything.