Champion01:
Even d 'practicals' poly students do claim dey're doing are mere fallacy. D 'practicals' are not actually up to d way de're hyping it. Mind u, i was once a poly students so i knw wat am talking abt.

Bro God bless you for this. I also went to both Polytechnic and University and I can categorically tell you the practical they lay claim to is nothing but a hoax. I can't see anything special or so spectacular about the so called practicals we did in Polytechnic. When i got to Uni, i could remember raising this same issue with some other Polytechnic products but different institutions who also shared same view. Polytechnic education would have been what's originally intended for, but for lack of funding. Majority of their laboratories are ill-equipped with old Lab attendants who have failed to update themselves to the new generational syllabi and techniques. I was still in one of the polytechnics we have in d country few days ago. Believe me its an eyesore.
I know most Nigerians don't like TRUTH but DECEIT and anyone that speaks the truth is their enemy. Lets stop deceiving ourselves for once.

I don't even want to know who is superior or inferior because I can never ever advise even my enemy to attend anything less than a University, if you no pass Jamb, retake. Simple!

Emmyboscojnr:
Mumu pikin. Wat du u knw? U beta make sure u attend a university or u end up my errand boy.

guys, university or no university, person way go mak am go make am, and if you don't bliv me you can ask God... Shikina

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GODDYGEE91:
Avin bein in d polytechnic system b4 headin 2 d university, I can categorically tell u dat some polytechnic students are far more beta dan dis university counterpart.[/b]

[s]I can aswell categorically tell you that some NCE graduate are "better" than some Masters students.[/s] Its very possible for a brilliant NCE graduate to score much more than a University graduate in an exam, but, such can only happen in 1:2000 cases, if not less. Bros, you don't compare based on "some"(unknown value) but rather average/mean.

GODDYGEE91:
University at times is always over rated. Imagin in ICAN examinations polytechnic graduates recorded 80% success while their university counterpart failed woefully.
Be that as it may, I just dislike polytechnic bc of SORTING which discourage student frm wrkin harder.

Am happy I av de experience of both polytechnic and university.

How did you arrive at this statistics? The minimum requirement to start/commence an ican program (at the preliminary stage) is SSCE. So its nothing unusual for an SSCE holder to score more than a university or Polytechnic student. As lot of things can factors in to determine what each student scores.

I share thesame opinion with zico0

Let's not fool anyone, the OP is right. No young student ever plans to attend a polytechnic in Nigeria.
There is a scramble for university and so the two
major criteria are brain or money, therefore, the
less intelligent ones are shoved aside and shared
between polys. and the NCE.
So if your in a polytechnic your not intelligent
enough, although you might be very brilliant: Find
wisdom.
My point: students in the university schooling are
more intelligent that ones undertaking the
polytechnic education in general.
A polytechnic is less structured, organised and
funded than a university, as anything may go in a polytechnic. After all if your so intelligent why aren't you in a university.
Btw, i attended a polytechnic for two years before i
upgraded.

Polytechnics sounds more like politicians! Both are just deceit oriented,i mean full of lies and can decieve you in such a way that you are gonna enter your grave without realising it! If you follow any of them(polytechnics and politicians) you will regret for the rest of your life! GO FOR A UNIVERSITY PLEASE!!! Nah beg i dey beg you oooo.

you attended a university I attended a polytechnic but never complained.

so what is your headache

THIS IS THE MAJOR REASON WHY THIS COUNTRY IS NOT IMPROVING WE CRITICISE OURSELVES ONE WAY OR THE OTHER

rationalmind:


Same thing I keep saying.

Poly students lie through their teeth when they claim to do more practicals than their university counterparts.

Isn't it the same poly where we are told there is no light for us to conduct practicals and there's no fuel in the generator?

exactly, i was chatting with a once poly engineering student n i told him to compare university engineering and poly engineering, he said that of the university is far better that he never did a single practical while he was there until he went for IT. The practical 'ish' pple claim about polytechnic was probably when Baba Awo was alive

tosyne2much:
I must say that this post shows how jobless you are. I don't think a working class person who has been working all day and tired as a result of fatigue would have time posting this trash

This part of your post is so unnecessary. You don't have to be jobless to post on a forum, moreso, today is Saturday.

tosyne2much:
If I may ask, why ranting against polytechnic education?

He isn't ranting about it. If you are well informed as I think you are (judgment based on ur posts from other threads), you'd have heard of a recent debate in the federal chambers concerning elevating polytechnic degree to tally at thesame level as the University degree. Having such debate on here isn't as bad as you have painted it to be.

tosyne2much:
With your so called Bsc, where did you park your private jet? What height have you attained in your life ? Which of the latest Ranger Rover Sport are you able to afford?

you don't need to own a huge account, private jet or latest car to be considered as being successful. Success is attaining a goal you set for urself. Mere having a B.Sc degree is success to some.

tosyne2much:
I have a friend who's not so educated,
I so much envy that dude, he very very create and doing fine in his business.

if he will tell you truth, ask him that one thing that makes him sad. No matter how wealthy or successful you are, being uneducated is a sure way to drive mood swing each time the thought of being uneducated comes to ones mind.

Op why did u paste the same points 3 times, are you DRUNK

padeolu:

This part of your post is so unnecessary. You don't have to be jobless to post on a forum, moreso, today is Saturday.

He isn't ranting about it. If you are well informed as I think you are (judgment based on ur posts from other threads), you'd have heard of a recent debate in the federal chambers concerning elevating polytechnic degree to tally at thesame level as the University degree. Having such debate on here isn't as bad as you have painted it to be.

you don't need to own a huge account, private jet or latest car to be considered as being successful. Success is attaining a goal you set for urself. Mere having a B.Sc degree is success to some.

if he will tell you truth, ask him that one thing that makes him sad. No matter how wealthy or successful you are, being uneducated is a sure way to drive mood swing each time the thought of being uneducated comes to ones mind.

I have heard you sir

padeolu:

This part of your post is so unnecessary. You don't have to be jobless to post on a forum, moreso, today is Saturday.

He isn't ranting about it. If you are well informed as I think you are (judgment based on ur posts from other threads), you'd have heard of a recent debate in the federal chambers concerning elevating polytechnic degree to tally at thesame level as the University degree. Having such debate on here isn't as bad as you have painted it to be.

you don't need to own a huge account, private jet or latest car to be considered as being successful. Success is attaining a goal you set for urself. Mere having a B.Sc degree is success to some.

if he will tell you truth, ask him that one thing that makes him sad. No matter how wealthy or successful you are, being uneducated is a sure way to drive mood swing each time the thought of being uneducated comes to ones mind.

And how would you define the word "Education"?

Ucheosefoh:
You have a point but beyond the four walls of the school is another world that goes beyond certificate to succeed, did you know many people are being frustrated by admission every year and you expect the person to keep on waiting for university admission. The competition is much and not everybody have the time and resources to compete, have you forgotten the nigerian factor in admission process. You attended polytechnic which means you are not intelligent by attending polytechnic first before you upgrade your school and IQ
Note: I judge you base on your comment

no mind am

HALLofFAME:
All dis polytechnic graduate are notin but GLORIFIED ARTISANS....who were trained 2 take DIRECTIVE and to SERVE d university graduate because dia brains are 2 shallow 2 think deep ,dats why dia jamb score is low and dia WAEC RE QUIREMENT is 2 and half credit hahaha.......They claim dey know practical ,but who developed d scientific idea dat lead 2 dat practical ?.....Where i work d Science / Engineering poly graduate are called technicians / technologist ..Why d university graduate are called Engineers and Scientist with salary relativity......Pls poly graduate know ur place and boundaries...If u feel unfulfilled go and buy direct entry form and get ur self a proper education shikena and stop beefing......Mtcheew degree holders wannabe via shortcut

park well.
How many scientific ideas have Nigerian engineers brought up?
As far as Nigeria is concerned, poly peeppz are far more useful.

tempem:

And how would you define the word "Education"?

In that context, I meant formal education.

padeolu:

This part of your post is so unnecessary. You don't have to be jobless to post on a forum, moreso, today is Saturday.

He isn't ranting about it. If you are well informed as I think you are (judgment based on ur posts from other threads), you'd have heard of a recent debate in the federal chambers concerning elevating polytechnic degree to tally at thesame level as the University degree. Having such debate on here isn't as bad as you have painted it to be.

you don't need to own a huge account, private jet or latest car to be considered as being successful. Success is attaining a goal you set for urself. Mere having a B.Sc degree is success to some.

if he will tell you truth, ask him that one thing that makes him sad. No matter how wealthy or successful you are, being uneducated is a sure way to drive mood swing each time the thought of being uneducated comes to ones mind.

you think the likes of coscharis, ibeto, innoson are sad they didn't go to university? keep deceiving yourself.
The real sad people are those that spent time cramming calculus and integration, only to become jobless for 5 years and counting after graduation.
Schooling is not the only education cos what the biz man knows about entrepreneurship, you may suck at it.

padeolu:
In that context, I meant formal education.

oh, my bad! Didn't see well.
So, do you think only formal education could make a success?
Do people with informal education makes it out in life?
Can we call people who had both primary and secondary certificates illiterate?
And If we can't, why are we tagging only higher institutions with success?

Zico0:
Let's not fool anyone, the OP is right. No young student ever plans to attend a polytechnic in Nigeria. There is a scramble for university and so the two major criteria are brain or money, therefore, the less intelligent ones are shoved aside and shared between polys. and the NCE.
So if your in a polytechnic your not intelligent enough, although you might be very brilliant: Find wisdom.

My point: students in the university schooling are more intelligent that ones undertaking the polytechnic education in general.

A polytechnic is less structured, organised and funded than a university, as anything may go in a polytechnic. After all if your so intelligent why aren't you in a university.
Btw, i attended a polytechnic for two years before i upgraded.

Bros, abeg... What is intelligence..? And how did you measure it..?

In your own words please... Thanks

tempem:
oh, my bad! Didn't see well.
So, do you think only formal education could make a success?
Do people with informal education makes it out in life?
Can we call people who had both primary and secondary certificates illiterate?
And If we can't, why are we tagging only higher institutions with success?

I actually don't know the basis for this question. The guy I quoted said his friend is "uneducated", hence, my response.

..&& no, people with secondary school certificates are not illiterates.

What success is to you may not necessarily be what I see as success. && no where in my post did I tag being an higher education graduate as being successful (except when such person sees it as one).

InyinyaAgbaOku:


you think the likes of coscharis, ibeto, innoson are sad they didn't go to university? keep deceiving yourself.
The real sad people are those that spent time cramming calculus and integration, only to become jobless for 5 years and counting after graduation.
Schooling is not the only education cos what the biz man knows about entrepreneurship, you may suck at it.

please read my post again. I didn't equated being uneducated to lack of university education?

Zico0:

On a very light note and sorry if sound mean. I don't want to say much; i have a badmouth sometimes.
A person who struggles to gain admission for years is not intelligent. A person who attends a polytechnic is not bad he is just not good enough.
Since your talking about me: then, i don't know if i was a brilliant kid but when i couldn't gain admission my first year, i knew i had to attend a university no matter what, i enroled at a poly. and two years later i left. I never wrote any exam twice. Now is that intelligence or what?
A person is not a fool to fall, a person is a fool to remain on the ground.
If you don't have a B.sc, to Nigeria, why did you go to school?

You knew you will attend university most people don't have that privilege as you base on finance or time factor, some people who attend poly may decide to finish in poly because they don't want to go through another admission process. It doesn't make them dull or unintelligent, as for you not written exam twice its your life you can say anything you want people to believe I can't accept or doubt it but no matter what don't think you as a university undergraduate are more intelligent than polytechnic students because that is an unintelligent mindset

padeolu:
please read my post again. I didn't equated being uneducated to lack of university education?

they are not sad for not gaining more formal education . the only thing that can make a biz man sad is if it starts going bad, how can a successful biz man feel bad for not having formal education? Those that have, have they reached happiness?

padeolu:
I actually don't know the basis for this question. The guy I quoted said his friend is "uneducated", hence, my response.

..&& no, people with secondary school certificates are not illiterates.

What success is to you may not necessarily be what I see as success. && no where in my post did I tag being an higher education graduate as being successful (except when such person sees it as one).

But you didn't part ways with poly and uni's controversy?

Base less argument keep eroding nigerian precious time to invest in more lucrative discussion. I wonder how many of the people condemn polytechnic have actually been to one as they claimed, you all know next to nothing, experiencing a situation is different from hearsay. Life seems to be more complex than your shallow minds.

I am a poly undergraduate, proud to be one, had my IT in one of the best financial institution in Nigeria and I earn what I now use to further now.

Although, I didn't enter poly by choice, but circumstance pushed me there, I am far from being an average student and even with you bsc I bet you can't stand a chance amidst my clique.

Don't feel intimidated, those list are list of a shallow mind. Come to Moshood Abiola Polytechnic and I assure you that you will find lecturers with doctorate degree (Phd) and the ones that have been saddle to acquire theirs, also, the rector is a professor and not the only professor in the school.

Most successful professor today, including the ones I have been opportune to work with, claimed Polytechnic education laid the foundation for what they are.


I rarely comment on post, because am more engage in more lucrative activities than the ops, things like this don't catch my attention, but I realised that a lot of people claiming to know what transpires in polytechnic knows next to nothing, besides, they claim to have been there, is either they are never there or can't excel there and advice to redraw.

The last time I checked, I offer more difficult courses than my uni counterpart, well organised exams including CBT, and far higher school fee with a wide range of books (written by the polytechnic lecturers) to read from and acquire world class knowledge.

Ops, no offence, but I most conclude that you know next to nothing, do a proper research and if possible, experience a polytechnic education.

I wonder what the noise is all about? Leave everyone to chose what he/she thinks is best, I am responsible for my actions dear

Thanks

Zico0:

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If you don't have a B.sc, to Nigeria, why did you go to school?

I attend school to get educated and enrich my knowledge so that I will have the resources to achieve my goals and aspirations be a great man and be useful to the society and the world, the school I attend and the certificate I get matters to an extent I can drop out if I feel I have gather what I need and I have better career that contradict my schooling. So B.sc, HND, NCE is all title what is in your head is what matters most.

trust me if you have everything worth having to make ur life comfortable u will not debate on this issue at all. either bsc or hnd, the bottom line is are u succesful or not.

Zico0:
Let's not fool anyone, the OP is right. No young student ever plans to attend a polytechnic in Nigeria. There is a scramble for university and so the two major criteria are brain or money, therefore, the less intelligent ones are shoved aside and shared between polys. and the NCE.
So if your in a polytechnic your not intelligent enough, although you might be very brilliant: Find wisdom.

My point: students in the university schooling are more intelligent that ones undertaking the polytechnic education in general.

A polytechnic is less structured, organised and funded than a university, as anything may go in a polytechnic. After all if your so intelligent why aren't you in a university.
Btw, i attended a polytechnic for two years before i upgraded.

Your post would have been a great one if not for the the bolded. I don't think you understand what intelligence means.

donvidar:
Even at that, Most employers now prefer those with HND and ND to those with degree because they believe the poly graduate will deliver almost same thing with his uni counterpart and his pay will b on the average.
Most students find themselves in Polys coz of the competitiveness of Uni admission. As a poly student if you have the opportunity, proceed to a Uni after ur ND...











LaSt BuLlEt:
What so ever you become, be the best- ABRAHAM LINCON

Fallacy

Champion01:
Even d 'practicals' poly students do dey're doing are mere fallacy. D 'practicals' are not actually up to d way de're hyping it. Mind u, i was once a poly students so i knw wat am talking abt.

u ar crazy 4 wat u just said.

Most people criticizing d op are not even countering his points.
Poor arguments

QSheba:
There is Discrimination even in the
Polytechnics.I dont get this point

Don't mind d idiot. Just ignore d gibberish he aforementioned above.