ActivateKruger:

Link which says we were chased?
I have links of Nigerian soldiers running away from Boko Haram... I can help you indulge yourself.

Come, my man. You know not to expect any proof.

patches689:


We have a battalion in the Sudan
And a battalion in combat in the DRC

And we just formed a Rapid a Reaction Battalion Group to deal with any emergencies on the continent

What external deployments do you have?

you should try to always temper down your urges to tell 'false truths',do you consider your dormant troops in sudan as an active 'battalion'?,pray tell me,what job is this 'battalion' of yours doing?,they are dormant soldiers,just like nigeria still has dormant troops in liberia and seirra leone!,send troops into somalia and libya,i would have thought zuma will send battalions into libya after all the noise and hot air he blew during the libyan 'revolution',at least to save his face.nigeria has peace keeping troops in somalia and south sudan under the AU task force aegis,apart from that we are fighting terrorism at home!,you cant expect us to continue doling out battalions like chocolate bars!,what is south africa doing?,simply nothing!

agaugust:



It took you 15min to display enough buffoonery to make a full DVD comedy show.

Stop repeating old stories posted here many times. Cuban army has zero war experience, Cuban revolution was a coup detat by armed civilians against a head of state using rifles in a few streets for some hours, is that war?

Battle of Bay of pigs was a counter coup against Castro by civilians and lasted about 72 hours of rifle shooting by a few dozen men, is that war.

You are a classic example of a South African born nincompoop

Your fake 17 year old South African soldiers that fought Cuban army in Angola are shown in example below with heavy South African beards that even Osama Bin Laden will see as competition

Then compare the Cuban girl soldier below it, it's funny how these Cuban girls defeated a whole South African military

PHOTO 1 : SOUTH AFRICAN ARMY 17 YEAR OLD 'OSAMA' IN ANGOLAN WAR

PHOTO 2 : CUBAN ARMY YOUNG GIRL THAT DEFEATED SOUTH AFRICA IN ANGOLAN WAR

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I guess you didn't read the part where we annihilated the Cubans in battle and stopped their attack dead in it's tracks? To the extent that they ended up retreating 100km? As confirmed by NAMIBIAN sources!!!

Lolzy lolly lol

Must I repost the citations?

And, dude, are you being serious? Average SANDF troepie was 17 to 19 - just like all conscripts across the world.

And I can post many pictures of SADF youngsters in Angola. Do you want me to?

Now both your arguments are in tatters.

DieVluit:


Come, my man. You know not to expect any proof.

what are you saying,nigerian troops never ran away from boko haram,havent you heard of the term 'tactical retreat'?,boko haram have mastered the terrain perfectly,the NA was pinned at all sides in a well planned and crafted ambush and assault,the NA had two options(1)to break formation and press into enemy lines at all sides{which while it would have taken down hundreds of terrorists,is still folly as the whole place was rigged and they were outnumbered without immediate ground reinforcement,and no space to manouver} or (2)retreat backwards into cameroonian territory to avoid been completely surrounded,what did you expect them to do?,charge into the fray into certain death by ambush or retreat to fight another day?,why did the SANDF retreat when they recieved enough pummelling from seleka rebels?.fighting terrorists isnt conventional warfare,its about effective strategy and surgical strikes!

EVarn:
what are you saying,nigerian troops never ran away from boko haram,havent you heard of the term 'tactical retreat'?,boko haram have mastered the terrain perfectly,the NA was pinned at all sides in a well planned and crafted ambush and assault,the NA had two options(1)to break formation and press into enemy lines at all sides{which while it would have taken down hundreds of terrorists,is still folly as the whole place was rigged and they were outnumbered without immediate ground reinforcement,and no space to manouver} or (2)retreat backwards into cameroonian territory to avoid been completely surrounded,what did you expect them to do?,charge into the fray into certain death by ambush or retreat to fight another day?,why did the SANDF retreat when they recieved enough pummelling from seleka rebels?.fighting terrorists isnt conventional warfare,its about effective strategy and surgical strikes!

You're new to the thread. They ran. Not once, but multiple times.

http://m.voanews.com/a/report-nigieria-troops-boko-haram-cameroon/2438586.html

Note that you've provided zero links for your own statements. They aren't to be taken seriously by anyone who values their precious time.

By the way, regarding the below...

No, we don't expect you to, because what was/is a ragtag Boko Haram has you OVERSTRETCHED. We agree with you.

EVarn:
apart from that we are fighting terrorism at home!,you cant expect us to continue doling out battalions like chocolate bars!

http://tribune.com.ng/confab/item/3852-nigerian-military-overstretched-confab-committee/3852-nigerian-military-overstretched-confab-committee

DieVluit:

You're new to the thread. They ran. Not once, but multiple times.
http://m.voanews.com/a/report-nigieria-troops-boko-haram-cameroon/2438586.html
Note that you've provided zero links for your own statements. They aren't to be taken seriously by anyone who values their precious time.
By the way, regarding the below...
No, we don't expect you to, because what was/is a ragtag Boko Haram has you OVERSTRETCHED. We agree with you.
http://tribune.com.ng/confab/item/3852-nigerian-military-overstretched-confab-committee/3852-nigerian-military-overstretched-confab-committee

you are still getting it wrong,yes i would consider myself new to the thread(though i've been following this thread since the beginning of the year),but common sense is not limited to new or old members of the thread,NA didnt 'flee' as alleged by cameroon and a section of the media,if they ran away they wouldnt have confronted boko haram again,you saw the video,now boko haram is seeking cease-fire!

EVarn:
you are still getting it wrong,yes i would consider myself new to the thread(though i've been following this thread since the beginning of the year),but common sense is not limited to new or old members of the thread,NA didnt 'flee' as alleged by cameroon and a section of the media,if they ran away they wouldnt have confronted boko haram again,you saw the video,now boko haram is seeking cease-fire!

Still no authority or support for ANY of your statements and BASELESS opinions. Have respect for other people's time and energy. No one has time for your "common sense". Give us hard, supportable facts for us to digest in our own way.

Meanwhile, yet ANOTHER instance of Nigerian soldiers fleeing.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/world/towns-seized-by-boko-haram-as-soldiers-flee-285337.html

You're new to the thread, Sir.

Twenty-six African military attaches in South Africa

There are currently 26 African countries with military representation at embassies and high commissions in South Africa – seven more than South Africa has posted on the continent.

Accepting credentials from new heads of diplomatic missions last month, President Jacob Zuma said South Africa attached the greatest importance to continental bodies such as the African Union (AU) and the Southern African Regional Development Community (SADC). This has seen South African military attaches posted to 19 cities on the continent.

African countries with military level representation at embassy and high commission level in South Africa are Algeria, Angola, Botswana, Burundi, Cameroon, Chad, Congo (Republic), Democratic Republic of Congo, Cote d’Ivoire, Egypt, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Kenya, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, Nigeria, Rwanda, Senegal, South Sudan, Tanzania, Uganda, Zambia and Zimbabwe.

The Department of International Relations and Co-operation (DIRCO) listing of the 58 foreign countries represented in South Africa shows by far the majority of military attaches and advisors are either colonels or naval captains with a few exceptions such as wing commander, brigadier and, in one instance, simply “general”.

EVarn:
you should try to always temper down your urges to tell 'false truths',do you consider your dormant troops in sudan as an active 'battalion'?,pray tell me,what job is this 'battalion' of yours doing?,they are dormant soldiers,just like nigeria still has dormant troops in liberia and seirra leone!,send troops into somalia and libya,i would have thought zuma will send battalions into libya after all the noise and hot air he blew during the libyan 'revolution',at least to save his face.nigeria has peace keeping troops in somalia and south sudan under the AU task force aegis,apart from that we are fighting terrorism at home!,you cant expect us to continue doling out battalions like chocolate bars!,what is south africa doing?,simply nothing!

Lol "dormant" Bn's in Sudan - see pics

What are we doing? Defeating rebels in the Congo (somthing Nigeria has yet to do) and preparing africa's first rapid response formation

Love this picture.

DieVluit:




By the way, regarding the below...

No, we don't expect you to, because what was/is a ragtag Boko Haram has you OVERSTRETCHED. We agree with you.



http://tribune.com.ng/confab/item/3852-nigerian-military-overstretched-confab-committee/3852-nigerian-military-overstretched-confab-committee

if the NA with all our numbers is overstretched,then i can imagine what state the SANDF will be in,especially with battalions in C.A.R.,sudan and some fighting rhino poachers,so in your mind you think boko haram is a 'ragtag' group?,a terrorist organisation that has cells scattered from mali,through niger,chad to cameroon,a terrorist organisation that is recognised and blacklisted by the UN and US,a terrorist organisation funded by international islamic activist from notable arab countries.you must either be ignorant or in denail.

EVarn:
if the NA with all our numbers is overstretched,

It's not "if".

It's been confirmed by YOU and your own committee as per my link. And do have fun looking at Patchy's pics.

http://tribune.com.ng/confab/item/3852-nigerian-military-overstretched-confab-committee/3852-nigerian-military-overstretched-confab-committee

Your post has been cut down in accordance with its lack of academic support for the views expressed.

Before, I forget, yes! Very ragtag is Boko Haram http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/09/help-losing-war-boko-haram/ Nigerian military not too different, either.

EXCELLENT PRODUCT FROM NAMIBIA

Namibian company Windhoeker Maschinenfabrik (WMF) has unveiled its new Mk III mine-protected armoured personnel carrier, which will enter production in January next year.

The vehicle made its public debut at the Africa Aerospace and Defence (AAD) show last month, alongside the exhibition debut of WMF’s Marrua 4x4. WMF partnered with Brazil’s Agrale to assemble Agrale vehicles in 2011.

Brigadier General (Rtd) J V Auala, CEO of the Ministry of Defence’s August 26 Holding Company, of which WMF is a subsidiary, said the Mk III vehicle is relatively light and thus versatile and was developed in response to requests for a lighter armoured vehicle. Development began less than a year ago. The Mk III is currently undergoing trials ahead of production beginning in January 2015. It has yet to be given an official name other than the Mk III.

SOUTH AFRICAN TSUNAMI AND NO COUNTRY IN AFRICA CAN COMPETE WITH THESE PRODUCTS

Specialist rifle company Truvelo Armoury is busy working on two new rifles, is upgrading its existing range and will launch a new marketing and sales company.

Alexa Gerrard, Head: Sales and Marketing at Truvelo, revealed that two new rifles were under development but declined to provide further details at this stage. She also confirmed to defenceWeb that Truvelo is the main subcomponent supplier to Braddick Defence Systems and that Braddick is busy developing .338 rifles based on Truvelo’s barrel action subassemblies.

Truvelo Armoury, part of Truvelo Manufacturers established in 1974, began manufacturing barrels and rifles in 1994. The company currently fields anti-material rifles (AMRs) in four calibres, including 12.7 x 99 mm, 14.5 x 114 mm, 20 x 82 mm and 20 x 110 mm Hispano. Truvelo’s anti-personnel rifle (APR) series is available in 7.62 x 51 mm and .338 Lapua calibres.

Thiza:
SOUTH AFRICAN TSUNAMI AND NO COUNTRY IN AFRICA CAN COMPETE WITH THESE PRODUCTS

Specialist rifle company Truvelo Armoury is busy working on two new rifles, is upgrading its existing range and will launch a new marketing and sales company.

Alexa Gerrard, Head: Sales and Marketing at Truvelo, revealed that two new rifles were under development but declined to provide further details at this stage. She also confirmed to defenceWeb that Truvelo is the main subcomponent supplier to Braddick Defence Systems and that Braddick is busy developing .338 rifles based on Truvelo’s barrel action subassemblies.

Truvelo Armoury, part of Truvelo Manufacturers established in 1974, began manufacturing barrels and rifles in 1994. The company currently fields anti-material rifles (AMRs) in four calibres, including 12.7 x 99 mm, 14.5 x 114 mm, 20 x 82 mm and 20 x 110 mm Hispano. Truvelo’s anti-personnel rifle (APR) series is available in 7.62 x 51 mm and .338 Lapua calibres.

Southern Africa is the business. Look at what Namibia is doing. In west africa, turmoil in Mali, Nigeria....

What were the Nigerians saying about Russia again?

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/756723

Russia, Brazil, South Africa discuss possibility of joint military products development

LE BOURGET, October 27. /TASS/. Russia, Brazil and South Africa are considering a possibility of joint development of military purpose products, deputy director of the Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation Anatoly Punchuk said on Monday.

He is leader of the Russian delegation at Euronaval 2014 (International Naval Defence and Maritime Exhibition and Conference).

“In terms of BRICS [Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa] a series of major projects with India is being implemented now. South Africa shows more interest in cooperation with Russia in the joint development and production of military weaponry,” Punchuk said.

Earlier, Russia’s state corporation, Rosoboronexport, director-general Anatoly Isaikin told TASS that Russia, Brazil and South Africa were planning to hold talks within BRICS before the yearend.

According to earlier reports, Russia is planning to sign a contract on the Pantsir air defense missile and artillery systems before the end of the year. Russia proposes Brazil to improve technological cooperation on supplies of the Pantsir-S1 air defence and artillery systems, Punchuk said.

After the demonstration tests for the Brazilian delegation in September “active talks are continuing”, he said.

DieVluit:
What were the Nigerians saying about Russia again?

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/756723

Russia, Brazil, South Africa discuss possibility of joint military products development

LE BOURGET, October 27. /TASS/. Russia, Brazil and South Africa are considering a possibility of joint development of military purpose products, deputy director of the Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation Anatoly Punchuk said on Monday.

He is leader of the Russian delegation at Euronaval 2014 (International Naval Defence and Maritime Exhibition and Conference).

“In terms of BRICS [Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa] a series of major projects with India is being implemented now. South Africa shows more interest in cooperation with Russia in the joint development and production of military weaponry,” Punchuk said.

Earlier, Russia’s state corporation, Rosoboronexport, director-general Anatoly Isaikin told TASS that Russia, Brazil and South Africa were planning to hold talks within BRICS before the yearend.

According to earlier reports, Russia is planning to sign a contract on the Pantsir air defense missile and artillery systems before the end of the year. Russia proposes Brazil to improve technological cooperation on supplies of the Pantsir-S1 air defence and artillery systems, Punchuk said.

After the demonstration tests for the Brazilian delegation in September “active talks are continuing”, he said.

Pantsir FCS and guns + Uhmkonto missile

It must be done

EVarn:
.......fighting terrorists isnt conventional warfare,its about effective strategy and surgical strikes!

You have no strategy and no surgical strikes..... Please I ask you to write a petition to your federal government to allow the SANDF to clear-up inserguncy for you.... We're ready and willing to help just say the words.

patches689:


Nigeria doesnt

You only build armoured cars

Nigeria builds everything from Proforce PF1 MRAPS, IKRI APC - LAV's (IGIRIGI, Leopard ACV, Inkas LAPV)- APV's (PF MK2, PF MK1), UAV's, Proforce IFV's, Rockets, bombs, Prowler APC's, armoured military transports, Farawa trainer Aircraft, vessels etc etc

patches689:


- 200 versus 1000-4000 men
- enemy stopped dead for 13 hours
- 400 casualties inflicted for the loss of 13
- enemy offer a cease fire

Yeah, we totally got messed up.

The irony is that you expect a mere 200 men 1000's of Km from home to stop the whole of Seleka.

But you ignore the fact that your own soldiers have given up town after town to Boko Haram
#CognitiveDissonanace

Every day is a Battle of Bangui for the Nigerian Army

No only 200 versus 4000, why don't you make it 4 billion?

I've posted multiple sources on the ground who state clearly your a$$ were handed to you on a platter of gold.

The Enemy brushed you aside like a piece of cloth.

The Nigerian army has lost no town to boko-haram, as operations are continuing in those areas.

In your cowardly case, not only were your troops completely decimated, you didn't have the balls to go back in, just like the cowards you are.

Instead FOMAC and French troops had to come in to clean your mess.

patches689:


We have a battalion in the Sudan
And a battalion in combat in the DRC

And we just formed a Rapid a Reaction Battalion Group to deal with any emergencies on the continent

What external deployments do you have?

Your troops have and would always be idle.

You should start by dealing with the emergencies in your country, you guys have managed to murder your national team goal-keeper.

Those retirement home troops are needed in your country. Save yourself first.

patches689:


Lol
If Boko haran was defeated by the NA why did you consent to some of their terms?

And why would we go back and fight Seleka? What is to be gained? Where is the profit? What would or men kill and die for? Pride? Ego?

we don't even have a casus belli so it would be illegal.

We have offered peacekeepers if they are needed by the UN in CAR

If we were afraid of war we would not have formed a battalion combat group specially tasked with interventions in Africa

The priority for Nigeria has always been the safety of the girls, we can go in gun's blazing like the Algerians, but we would end up also killing most of the hostages.

You were too scared to go back and engage a couple of farmers in the CAR.

Pathetic loser military!!!

Henry120:


Nigeria builds everything from Proforce PF1 MRAPS, IKRI APC - LAV's (IGIRIGI, Leopard ACV, Inkas LAPV)- APV's (PF MK2, PF MK1), UAV's, Proforce IFV's, Rockets, bombs, Prowler APC's, armoured military transports, Farawa trainer Aircraft, vessels etc etc

Rockets- nah nah nah.

patches689:


First, we have dealt with many hostage situations. The Special Task Force has never lost a hostage

Second, CAR is closer to nigeria than South Africa, why did you leave the people at the mercy of the Seleka rebels? Why did you desert your African brothers and sisters?

Why are there no Nigerians fighting in Congo? Why are no Nigerians peacekeeping in the Sudan? Why has nigeria not formed a rapid response battalion battle group?

So now you admit Nigeria is a nation of cowards!!

Again with reference to CAR, according to the doctrine of sucessfull rebellion we had no casus belli. And, again, we have offered troops if they are needed

Unfortunately for you, the Special task force can't save you from been the murder capital of the world. How ironic.

Let us look at Nigeria.
We have troops in

Liberia = 1500
Sierra-leone = 1500
Equatorial guniea
Sao-tome and principe
Ivory coast
Sudan
South-sudan
Mali

Police officers
Liberia
Somalia
Sudan
Mali

We give military grants to,
Equatorial guinea = 5million
Mali
Liberia = 5million

The Nigerian government and people do not abandon our African brothers, we didn't abandon you (south-africa), we didn't abandon Mali, Liberia, ivory Coast, in the early 90's we intervened in Chad, sierra-leone, liberia and Somalia despite been under crippling sanctions.

We have shown and proven multiple times to be a formidable fighting force. The SANDF has shown to be a military of cowards, led by cowards and operates under a cowardly doctrine. The SANDF is in a sad deteriorating and continues to decline state.

Lesotho would take on the SANDF and flaw you guys. Anyway, they already showed they can.

We have a rich, proud military history.

Henry120:


Your troops have and would always be idle.

You should start by dealing with the emergencies in your country, you guys have managed to murder your national team goal-keeper.

Those retirement home troops are needed in your country. Save yourself first.

You're hurting, dude.

The picture below says not only are we active, but we are EFFECTIVE. Can't say the same for the Nigerian military. The world has even forgotten that there's actually a state of emergency in Nigeria. Is there a longer running state of emergency in history, I wonder? As for the goalie (RIP), I suppose you need a sociology and criminology crash course if you want to put that and 'military' in the same post. The DRC is us dealing with our emergencies, dude. We have signed the Inga dam agreement to deal with South Africa's water and power future. That's what EFFECTIVE military effort is about.

Henry120:


The priority for Nigeria has always been the safety of the girls, we can go in gun's blazing like the Algerians, but we would end up also killing most of the hostages.

You were too scared to go back and engage a couple of farmers in the CAR.

Pathetic loser military!!!

This is a joke. Jonathan's priority is to coast until the next elections. Thousands have died at the hands of BH and now you're telling us that lives of the girls are what informs your lack of effective aggression? Sad joke.

DieVluit:


You're hurting, dude.

The picture below says not only are we active, but we are EFFECTIVE. Can't say the same for the Nigerian military. The world has even forgotten that there's actually a state of emergency in Nigeria. Is there a longer running state of emergency in history, I wonder? As for the goalie (RIP), I suppose you need a sociology and criminology crash course if you want to put that and 'military' in the same post. The DRC is us dealing with our emergencies, dude. We have signed the Inga damn agreement to deal with South Africa's water and power future. That's what EFFECTIVE military effort is about.

Naija boys in Sudan.

Who are the world, when the people are solidly behind their military.

DieVluit:


This is a joke. Jonathan's priority is to coast until the next elections. Thousands have died at the hands of BH and now you're telling us that lives of the girls are what informs your lack of effective aggression? Sad joke.

You're a fully blown, fully matured dummy.

So, how has the kidnap of the girls aided GEJ's re-election bid?

A president who hasn't even declared intentions to run.

Henry120:


You're a fully blown, fully matured dummy.

So, how has the kidnap of the girls aided GEJ's re-election bid?

A president who hasn't even declared intentions to run.

The bolded is a strawman. Where did I say "aided"?

I said his priority is to COAST, which means doing the least possible so that he looks like he's doing something. The fact that the girls have not been brought back has nothing to do with "priorities". It has everything to do with incompetence. Have you even asked for proof of life? Is the very real possibility of r*pe and other forms of abuse prioritising safety? Those girls should be home by now. Give us a break man.

Henry120:


Naija boys in Sudan.

Who are the world, when the people are solidly behind their military.

You are not EFFECTIVE, Henry.

DieVluit:


The bolded is a strawman. Where did I say "aided".

I said his priority is to COAST, which means doing the least possible so that he looks like he's doing something. The fact that the girls have not been brought back has nothing to do with "priorities". It has everything to do with incompetence.

It shows he can think, he, like every other thinking individual knows going in, guns blazing won't help the situation.

He doesn't need to coast, he already has popular support. A president who approves the procurement of 40 helicopters, and additional MBT's isn't coasting, a president that runs shuttle diplomacy isn't coasting either, a president that continues to harp on the need to end the proliferation of small arms and light weapons can't be said to be coasting.

Probably in south-africa, coasting has an entirely different meaning.

DieVluit:


You are not EFFECTIVE, Henry.

You should look up the word effective.