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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 12:39pm On Oct 28, 2014
Henry120:


It shows he can think, he, like every other thinking individual knows going in, guns blazing won't help the situation.

He doesn't need to coast, he already has popular support. A president who approves the procurement of 40 helicopters, and additional MBT's isn't coasting, a president that runs shuttle diplomacy isn't coasting either, a president that continues to harp on the need to end the proliferation of small arms and light weapons can't be said to be coasting.

Probably in south-africa, coasting has an entirely different meaning.

That's an excuse! He's busy rearranging the deck chairs and giving the world excuses. There are many ways an effective military could squeeze BH so that the girls are released. I am asking again, do you even have proof of life? Is allowing the the very real possibility of repeated and continued r*ape and abuse a sign of prioritising safety? Yes, he has popular support, which is why he is coasting. He does not need to strain himself on this issue. He has no answers and no solutions. So, he does the least amount of work to maintain his support.

Your Jonathan and entire military leadership have been paralaysed by incompetence and indecision. So they shout "we are thinking"! They mean "we are sinking!"

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 12:41pm On Oct 28, 2014
Henry120:


You should look up the word effective.

No, sir. You do.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:02pm On Oct 28, 2014
Henry120:


Nigeria builds everything from Proforce PF1 MRAPS, IKRI APC - LAV's (IGIRIGI, Leopard ACV, Inkas LAPV)- APV's (PF MK2, PF MK1), UAV's, Proforce IFV's, Rockets, bombs, Prowler APC's, armoured military transports, Farawa trainer Aircraft, vessels etc etc

Giving something a flashy name doesnt mean it is what you call it
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:03pm On Oct 28, 2014
Henry120:


No only 200 versus 4000, why don't you make it 4 billion?

I've posted multiple sources on the ground who state clearly your a$$ were handed to you on a platter of gold.

The Enemy brushed you aside like a piece of cloth.

The Nigerian army has lost no town to boko-haram, as operations are continuing in those areas.

In your cowardly case, not only were your troops completely decimated, you didn't have the balls to go back in, just like the cowards you are.

Instead FOMAC and French troops had to come in to clean your mess.

You lost multiple towns to boko haram

You dont know what decimated means

We have posted multiple sources that tell a different story

Tell me, does stopping an enemy advance dead for 14 hours and inflicting heavy casualties classify as being brushed aside like a piece of cloth?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:05pm On Oct 28, 2014
Henry120:


Your troops have and would always be idle.

You should start by dealing with the emergencies in your country, you guys have managed to murder your national team goal-keeper.

Those retirement home troops are needed in your country. Save yourself first.

The emotion in this post leads me to beleive that you are... #Butthurt

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:06pm On Oct 28, 2014
Henry120:


The priority for Nigeria has always been the safety of the girls, we can go in gun's blazing like the Algerians, but we would end up also killing most of the hostages.

You were too scared to go back and engage a couple of farmers in the CAR.

Pathetic loser military!!!

Why would we go back in to CAR?

What is the purpose?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:06pm On Oct 28, 2014
Henry120:


The priority for Nigeria has always been the safety of the girls, we can go in gun's blazing like the Algerians, but we would end up also killing most of the hostages.

You were too scared to go back and engage a couple of farmers in the CAR.

Pathetic loser military!!!

Why would we go back in to CAR?

What is the prupose.

You tell me that.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:09pm On Oct 28, 2014
Henry120:


Unfortunately for you, the Special task force can't save you from been the murder capital of the world. How ironic.

Let us look at Nigeria.
We have troops in

Liberia = 1500
Sierra-leone = 1500
Equatorial guniea
Sao-tome and principe
Ivory coast
Sudan
South-sudan
Mali

Police officers
Liberia
Somalia
Sudan
Mali

We give military grants to,
Equatorial guinea = 5million
Mali
Liberia = 5million

The Nigerian government and people do not abandon our African brothers, we didn't abandon you (south-africa), we didn't abandon Mali, Liberia, ivory Coast, in the early 90's we intervened in Chad, sierra-leone, liberia and Somalia despite been under crippling sanctions.

We have shown and proven multiple times to be a formidable fighting force. The SANDF has shown to be a military of cowards, led by cowards and operates under a cowardly doctrine. The SANDF is in a sad deteriorating and continues to decline state.

Lesotho would take on the SANDF and flaw you guys. Anyway, they already showed they can.

We have a rich, proud military history.

LOL

"Rich proud history"

Unable to defeat RUF in a decade of fighting
- Executive outcomes does it in months
- British do it in months
- USMC do it in a week

Unable to defeat the poorly armed Biafran army in open combat, instead you genocide them

Unable to defeat Boko Haram in almost a decade

No conventional war in its history

No air-combat

No combined arms history

And we took Lesotho's capital in hours... how long did it take you in your misadventure in Sierra Leon? Liberia?

Cowardly doctrine? You mean the one that results in victory? Yeah, super cowardly that is grin

The Nigerian military is a complete and utter joke, a paper army, an army that cannot go into decline as it has allready hit rock bottom.

SANDF, on the otherhand, has not lost a war in 100 years.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:11pm On Oct 28, 2014
Henry120:


It shows he can think, he, like every other thinking individual knows going in, guns blazing won't help the situation.

He doesn't need to coast, he already has popular support. A president who approves the procurement of 40 helicopters, and additional MBT's isn't coasting, a president that runs shuttle diplomacy isn't coasting either, a president that continues to harp on the need to end the proliferation of small arms and light weapons can't be said to be coasting.

Probably in south-africa, coasting has an entirely different meaning.

Well, we have managed to avoid being classified as a failed state.

Unlike a certain country that starts with N and rhymes with "igeria"
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:23pm On Oct 28, 2014
[size=20pt]THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE DEFENSE REVIEW BEGINS!![/size]

Peacekeeping commitments, border security challenges and homeland security requirements will drive South Africa’s defence procurement over the next five years, according to a new report, which says that South Africa will see the acquisition of items such as naval vessels, C4ISR systems, aircraft and infantry fighting vehicles.

The report by Strategic Defence Intelligence, entitled Future of the South African Defence Industry, notes that South African military procurement will be in line with national security priorities, including border security, antipiracy and maritime security, and, the protection of the nation’s and the country’s resources. Moreover, the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) is an active participant in stability and peacekeeping operations and has been involved in a number of peace-building missions in the Democratic Republic of Congo, Darfur, Central African Republic and Burundi.

“South Africa is also facing severe border security challenges and is expected to undertake strict measures to curb illegal immigration as well as illicit movement of goods and arms. This is set to encourage the government to increase its defence budget from US$4.2 billion in 2015 to US$4.9 billion in 2019. On a cumulative basis, defence budget is projected to be US$22.9 billion over next four years, compared to US$21.7 billion incurred between 2010 and 2014,” the report notes.

“South African equipment modernisation plans will drive an increase in the capital expenditure budget from US$729.3 million in 2014 to US$1.1 billion in 2019. The military is likely to invest a considerable portion of its capital expenditure budget for the enhancement of its naval capabilities,” the report notes, such as through procurement of new offshore and inshore patrol vessels. The government will also focus on other prime areas, such as aircraft, armoured vehicles and surveillance and reconnaissance systems. “Revenue expenditure, which includes staff salaries, training expenses of soldiers and maintenance costs of defence facilities, is forecasted to reach US$18.4 billion over 2015-2019,” according to the report.

“The army budget was valued at US$332.7 million in 2010, which decreased to US$206.9 million in 2014 at a CAGR of -11.19%. However, over the forecast period [2015 to 2019], the army budget is expected to grow from US$218.7 million in 2015 to US$294.3 million in 2019, reflecting a CAGR of 7.70%. The growth in army expenditure can be attributed to modernisation programmes and a number of procurement schedules that will be executed over the forecast period. The budget for the navy and air force is expected to grow at a CAGR of 23.69% and 7.04%, respectively.

On the homeland security side, the report said this budget will be driven by the increasing crime rate and rising threats from terrorism, with the budget is expected to increase from US$7.1 billion in 2015 to US$9.1 billion by 2019 at a CAGR of 6.25%.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 1:26pm On Oct 28, 2014
patches689:
[size=20pt]THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE DEFENSE REVIEW BEGINS!![/size]

Peacekeeping commitments, border security challenges and homeland security requirements will drive South Africa’s defence procurement over the next five years, according to a new report, which says that South Africa will see the acquisition of items such as naval vessels, C4ISR systems, aircraft and infantry fighting vehicles.

The report by Strategic Defence Intelligence, entitled Future of the South African Defence Industry, notes that South African military procurement will be in line with national security priorities, including border security, antipiracy and maritime security, and, the protection of the nation’s and the country’s resources. Moreover, the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) is an active participant in stability and peacekeeping operations and has been involved in a number of peace-building missions in the Democratic Republic of Congo, Darfur, Central African Republic and Burundi.

“South Africa is also facing severe border security challenges and is expected to undertake strict measures to curb illegal immigration as well as illicit movement of goods and arms. This is set to encourage the government to increase its defence budget from US$4.2 billion in 2015 to US$4.9 billion in 2019. On a cumulative basis, defence budget is projected to be US$22.9 billion over next four years, compared to US$21.7 billion incurred between 2010 and 2014,” the report notes.

“South African equipment modernisation plans will drive an increase in the capital expenditure budget from US$729.3 million in 2014 to US$1.1 billion in 2019. The military is likely to invest a considerable portion of its capital expenditure budget for the enhancement of its naval capabilities,” the report notes, such as through procurement of new offshore and inshore patrol vessels. The government will also focus on other prime areas, such as aircraft, armoured vehicles and surveillance and reconnaissance systems. “Revenue expenditure, which includes staff salaries, training expenses of soldiers and maintenance costs of defence facilities, is forecasted to reach US$18.4 billion over 2015-2019,” according to the report.

“The army budget was valued at US$332.7 million in 2010, which decreased to US$206.9 million in 2014 at a CAGR of -11.19%. However, over the forecast period [2015 to 2019], the army budget is expected to grow from US$218.7 million in 2015 to US$294.3 million in 2019, reflecting a CAGR of 7.70%. The growth in army expenditure can be attributed to modernisation programmes and a number of procurement schedules that will be executed over the forecast period. The budget for the navy and air force is expected to grow at a CAGR of 23.69% and 7.04%, respectively.

On the homeland security side, the report said this budget will be driven by the increasing crime rate and rising threats from terrorism, with the budget is expected to increase from US$7.1 billion in 2015 to US$9.1 billion by 2019 at a CAGR of 6.25%.

Hier kom groot kak for the "gathering dust" brigade. grin
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 1:54pm On Oct 28, 2014
patches689:

LOL
"Rich proud history"
Unable to defeat RUF in a decade of fighting
- Executive outcomes does it in months
- British do it in months
- USMC do it in a week
Unable to defeat the poorly armed Biafran army in open combat, instead you genocide them
Unable to defeat Boko Haram in almost a decade
No conventional war in its history
No air-combat
No combined arms history
And we took Lesotho's capital in hours... how long did it take you in your misadventure in Sierra Leon? Liberia?
Cowardly doctrine? You mean the one that results in victory? Yeah, super cowardly that is grin
The Nigerian military is a complete and utter joke, a paper army, an army that cannot go into decline as it has allready hit rock bottom.
SANDF, on the otherhand, has not lost a war in 100 years.
you havent lost a war because you havent fought a real war,nigeria on the other hand have fought real wars and havent lost before.biafran soldiers?,go back to your history class.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:56pm On Oct 28, 2014
patches689:

I guess you didn't read the part where we annihilated the Cubans in battle and stopped their attack dead in it's tracks? To the extent that they ended up retreating 100km? As confirmed by NAMIBIAN sources!!!

Lolzy lolly lol

Must I repost the citations?

And, dude, are you being serious? Average SANDF troepie was 17 to 19 - just like all conscripts across the world.

And I can post many pictures of SADF youngsters in Angola. Do you want me to?

Now both your arguments are in tatters.


Those South African troops in Angola are not 17-18 year olds, those guys in your photos are visibly aged between 24-34 years.

You can say Lt. Col Eben too was 17 years old then. Lol.

Cuba women captures and destroyed many South African tanks and their boys shot down SADF jet fighters.

You CANNOT rewrite history, very experienced South Africa was defeated by inexperienced Cuban GIRL soldiers tongue tongue

PHOTO 1 : SOUTH AFRICAN MEN AND FATHERS THAT LOST

PHOTO 2 : CUBAN GIRLS THAT WON

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:57pm On Oct 28, 2014
EVarn:
you havent lost a war because you havent fought a real war,nigeria on the other hand have fought real wars and havent lost before.biafran soldiers?,go back to your history class.

Somebody hasnt heard about the war in Angola
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:59pm On Oct 28, 2014
patches689:


Somebody hasnt heard about the war in Angola

It is all over the internet, free information. grin grin

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:04pm On Oct 28, 2014
agaugust:


Those South African troops in Angola are not 17-18 year olds, those guys in your photos are visibly aged between 24-34 years.

You can say Lt. Col Eben too was 17 years old then. Lol.

Cuba women captures and destroyed many South African tanks and their boys shot down SADF jet fighters.

You CANNOT rewrite history, very experienced South Africa was defeated by inexperienced Cuba tongue tongue

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You are posting elite 32Bn soldiers who were professional soldiers - they comprised a whole 850 men... wow... the majority of the SANDF were conscripts, plain and simple

And we arent re-writing history. We never lost a single battle. Quito was a clear cut victory for us.

[size=15pt]By around April 1988 “the Battle of Cuito Cuanavale” was over with fatal consequences especially on the “aggressor’s” (i.e. FAPLA/Cuban) side: At least one FAPLA brigade (i.e. 47th Brigade) was effectively annihilated; over 4 500 FAPLA soldiers were decimated; 94 of their tanks were destroyed (or captured and handed over to UNITA); 9 MIG jets were shot down. On the SADF/UNITA side: over 1 000 UNITA soldiers died; 31 SADF soldiers killed; 3 tanks destroyed; 11 armored cars and troop carriers lost; 1 Mirage jet shot down by FAPLA/Cuban forces.

Looking at the figures alone, we already see who “won” and who was “defeated”, but there are some more serious questions to be asked: why is it that no detailed FAPLA/Cuban record of the battle is available? [4]If the FAPLA/Cuban forces won the battle, why is it that they did not capture a single SADF soldier during the entire campaign? [5] Why did the FAPLA/Cubans not capture Mavinga and immediately thereafter advance to destroy UNITA’s Jamba HQ? How on earth was it possible that, after MPLA/UNITA negotiations in the early 1990s, Cuito Cuanavale was on the list of UNITA-controlled towns where central administration needed to be re-established?


There was neither a battle for nor a battle of Cuito Cuanavale. What happened is that a FAPLA/Cuban advance to Mavinga was stopped at the Lomba River and the government troops “obliged” to retreat 120 kilometers back to the western side of the Cuito River, after which the SADF destroyed the bridge to make sure FAPLA/Cuban forces won’t be able to cross the river again to the eastern side any time soon – then the SADF left.
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http://www.nshr.org.na/index.php?module=News&func=display&sid=1351

You dont know how old the Colonel is because you have never actually spoken to him grin

Finally, most conscripts were between 17-19... Or you dont know how conscription works? Dude, books have even been written on the topic.

[size=15pt]now, show us a non-biased source that says we lost, your accept your defeat like a man [/size]

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 2:42pm On Oct 28, 2014
patches689:


Somebody hasnt heard about the war in Angola
*snorts*the angolan-cuba vs. south african war wasn't a legitimate war,that was a few cuban girls been thrown together with angolan vigilante bushmen to successfully defeat the weak SANDF,the biafran war on the other hand was a conventional civil war,biafran soldiers received the same training and tutoring that the nigerian soldiers had,they had the support and funding of the west ,most especially france.they had sophisticated weapons that were formally part of the national armoury,they had a naval advantage and they were able to mobilize a huge and formidable military force,at that time their region was one of the two richest regions in nigeria(the second being the south-west),yet they were eventually starved and defeated,they surrendered and their leader fled.even when the chadians tried to invade nigeria,they were chase deep into their territory.the SANDF have never witnessed any of such aggressions,empty boast
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:54pm On Oct 28, 2014
EVarn:
*snorts*the angolan-cuba vs. south african war wasn't a legitimate war,that was a few cuban girls been thrown together with angolan vigilante bushmen to successfully defeat the weak SANDF,the biafran war on the other hand was a conventional civil war,biafran soldiers received the same training and tutoring that the nigerian soldiers had,they had the support and funding of the west ,most especially france.they had sophisticated weapons that were formally part of the national armoury,they had a naval advantage and they were able to mobilize a huge and formidable military force,at that time their region was one of the two richest regions in nigeria(the second being the south-west),yet they were eventually starved and defeated,they surrendered and their leader fled.even when the chadians tried to invade nigeria,they were chase deep into their territory.the SANDF have never witnessed any of such aggressions,empty boast

Not even worth responding to
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 3:06pm On Oct 28, 2014
patches689:


Not even worth responding to
of course,when your argument is been trashed,you wouldnt respond to it.i suppose this is the point where you ask for link and citation,it baffles me why you cant simply go to wikipedia and type 'the biafran war' to see the proof you so love,then again,i remember that saffers are most renown for being lazy and docile or could it be that you fear the truth?..hmm..i wonder,perhaps you fear that your flimsy arguements are going to be torn to tatters in front of hard facts!

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 3:13pm On Oct 28, 2014
EVarn:
of course,when your argument is been trashed,you wouldnt respond to it.i suppose this is the point where you ask for link and citation,it baffles me why you cant simply go to wikipedia and type 'the biafran war' to see the proof you so love,then again,i remember that saffers are most renown for being lazy and docile or could it be that you fear the truth?..hmm..i wonder,perhaps you fear that your flimsy arguements are going to be torn to tatters in front of hard facts!

No, I have realized your are an slowpoke and arent worthy of my time.

Tell me, did Biafra have jet fighters? How many MBT's? How many feild guns? Did they have advanced AA missiles?

Finally, the Biafran war involved only 150 000 men

The war in Angola involved some 308 000 men

Do some research, clown

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by postmann: 3:55pm On Oct 28, 2014
DieVluit:


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stale. Well-worn. Come up with something slightly original. Glory-thief like you.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ChukwuCantDie: 4:01pm On Oct 28, 2014
I have decided to just admit that the South Africans are really the best on the continent.........................................at taking pictures.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 4:01pm On Oct 28, 2014
ChukwuCantDie:
I have decided to just admit that the South Africans are really the best on the continent.....................at taking pictures.

When you have something to take pictures of, you will take pictures. When you have nothing, you won't take pictures. The Igirigi is not very photogenic.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ChukwuCantDie: 4:07pm On Oct 28, 2014
DieVluit:


When you have something to take pictures of, you will take pictures. When you have nothing, you won't take pictures. The Igirigi is not very photogenic.
....... undecidedYou take pictures of training exercises? Are you proud?

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 4:08pm On Oct 28, 2014
patches689:


No, I have realized your are an slowpoke and arent worthy of my time.

Tell me, did Biafra have jet fighters? How many MBT's? How many feild guns? Did they have advanced AA missiles?

Finally, the Biafran war involved only 150 000 men

The war in Angola involved some 308 000 men

Do some research, clown
the biafran army while not as well equipped as the nigerian army,they were no slouch either,let me humor you,here is a list of some of the weapons and tanks they used: saladins,saracens,ferrets,OTO-Melara,M-56,105mm field hotwitzers,FN MAG GPMGs,G-3s,58CETMEs,FN FALs,MG-42/59,spanish 81mm ECIA mortars,czech mausers,VZ-52 semi-auto rifles and so on.check out some of the tanks on youtube http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=J3ReFoFp0Gs&feature=PlayList&p=1845A5A532977745&index=0&playnext=1 really,you shouldnt expose your ignorance for people to see.the angolan war was a war of farmers and school girls,number doesnt matter.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ChukwuCantDie: 4:09pm On Oct 28, 2014
DieVluit:


I have reported this one too.

Hate speech and racism.

@HumbledbYGrace @Mukina2

Get a life you fool.

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