MILLIONAIRE PASTORS... POOR MEMBERS

by Victor Oyeleke

There is no doubt that church business is very lucrative.

The overwhelming number of churches in Nigeria is a testament of how profitable owning a church is and if that is not enough evidence, then perhaps the recently published list of the top 10 richest pastors in the world where the top earner, Pastor David Oyedepo, is estimated to have a networth of $150m should suffice.

While the notion of soul-saving preachers with humble earnings and possessions is currently quite surreal and almost fictional, it was the norm until the healing revivals of the 1950s. When a group of pentecostal evangelists such as William Branham, Kenneth Hagin, Oral Roberts and A. A. Allen embraced an understanding of faith as an activator that unleashed spiritual power. At the same time, they understood the Bible as a source of God’s laws and covenants that gave believers specific rights and privileges.

Over the years, this teaching was revamped and made more sophisticated. Preachers shifted from the “God of fire and brimstone” to a more appealing one of “grace and prosperity”. It gained worldwide prominence and prominent preachers like Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Chris Okotie and Matthew Ashimolowo are keeping the movement strong in Nigeria.

This brand of Christianity advocates behaving like children of the kingdom by dressing like queens and kings, thinking positively, and believing it is your right as a child of the kingdom to be rich and you should partner with God by faith to pursue riches.

The heart of the principle of this teaching seems to be exclusively reliant on you using something to get something.

Though you could give God your time and other non-material things, money seems to be the most acceptable form of payment to unlock the blessings of
heaven. It almost has the undertone of taking from the devil.

These preachers sell the gospel as the pathway to riches. Feeding the desire of their followers to be rich even though it is contrary to what Paul said in 1 Timothy 6:6-10.

To support their theory, they use themselves as examples testifying of the turnover they made from sowing seeds. Dr. Mike Murdock is well known for this tactic.

Motivated by stories of financial gain, out of the little they have, members pay their tithes and then go through the rigmarole of seed sowing. They sow the seed, water it, weed it and even fence it. The seed then become more important than seeking the kingdom of God. Matthew 6:33- “But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.”

While giving is not wrong per se, a majority of these prosperity preachers are living a luxurious life off their poor members who are in dire need of help.

Owning a multimillion-dollar private jet just to “oversee churches” to quote Pastor Adeboye while some members are living in poverty is acceptable by these preachers.

Being accustomed to life of luxury, some preachers with branches in the west gets carried away and spends church funds at will, which eventually lands them in murky situations.

While Christ Embassy is currently under investigation for alleged mismanagement of funds, the British government ordered Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo to pay back £200,000 in 2006 after it emerged that he used church assets to buy a £13,000 Florida time share and spent £120,000 on his birthday celebrations, including £80,000 which was spent on a car.

Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor is currently embroilled in the controversy of how his private jet was used to ferry $9.3 million seized by the South African government. He is a friend of government as well as National President of Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN).

Though members should be responsible for the needs of their pastors, making giving money a prerequisite for receiving from God is punitive.

It is a safe bet that a congregation with less than 500 members would surely have testimonies of people reaping from sowing but not everyone would experience such gain. However, those who did not reap from sowing are not given a refund rather they are encouraged to sow more and believe more. The onus is placed on them and not the preacher who spoke confidently about the powers of sowing and they are thrust into a perpetual circle of giving and
believing while the preachers travel the world in private jets, drive in fully air conditioned cars, send their children to the best schools and have the best of everything.

The height of the irony is that; members cannot afford to send their children to the schools they helped establish and majority of these preachers benefited from free missionary schools.

Charity, which is a foundation of Christianity seems to have absconded. Even those claiming to be involved in charity are just using it as a façade. The church is now a market hub, everything is for sale. It is all about the cha-ching! cha-ching!! And if you do not have loads of it, then you are relegated to the bottom of the food chain.

I wonder what Jesus Christ would do if he walks into a church today.

Culled from www.tribune.com.ng/sunday-zest/item/18342-millionaire-pastors-poor-members/18342-millionaire-pastors-p

Articles listing world richest pastors, 5 of the top 10 are Nigerians:
www.richestlifestyle.com/top-10-richest-pastors-in-the-world/

for naija, salvation is free but u must bring heavy offerring and pay ur tithe regularly.

so how does this promote the kingdom.....

paul288yahoo:
so how does this promote the kingdom.....

My dear, it does promote the kingdom. It ensures that people do not "patronize" a false gospel and end up in a wrong kingdom.

WinsomeX:


My dear, it does promote the kingdom. It ensures that people do not "patronize" a false gospel and end up in a wrong kingdom.

The annoying thing is that both educated and rich people fall for this 21st century scam. Its even more heartbreaking for the poor who are constantly been ripped off and will never enjoy the rewards of their tithes by affording the universities or fly the planes bought for "pastoral activities" or arms smuggling which their tithes helped build or buy respectively.

The biggest error is to imagine that prosperity gospel is meant to make you rich. It is purely for tithe collectors. 1 out of 1 probability they NEVER go wrong with this doctrine. They make money whether it works or not.

If I was Oyedepo, I'd sow my four jets and reap four hundred

vooks:
The biggest error is to imagine that prosperity gospel is meant to make you rich. It is purely for tithe collectors. 1 out of 1 probability they NEVER go wrong with this doctrine. They make money whether it works or not.

If I was Oyedepo, I'd sow my four jets and reap four hundred

I second this motion.

These prosperity pastors shall never enter heaven

Boss13:
These prosperity pastors shall never enter heaven

There is still time for them to repent.

PastorKun:


There is still time for them to repent.

LMAO @ repent. To give up their expensive lifestyle and frivolous trips round the world with the president? Com'on, they will do no such thing.

many people dnt simply know the reason why
they do what they do. They just follow the
multitude whenever they are going. Imagine some
pastors calling those who christ have bought with
his blood robbers because they dnt pay tithe, did
they think God is after money as their soul? God
prefer obedience even more than sacrifice. We dnt
have to offer the sacrifice of fools. The only
people christ called robbers are those who are
buying and selling in the house of God. Turning
the house of God into a business centre. Many
pastors have turned the house of God into money
making ventures. The soul of men is no longer
their top priority again. All they are after is
money. Extorting money from the poor who
should be help by the church. We must retrace
our step back to where we have missed it and
follow the right path.
God is nt the respecter of persons. God doesn't
look at how famous u are. He will cast u out if
you think you are indispensable. On that day
many famous pastors in Nigeria and abroad will
say lord we did miracles and build mansions for
you but God will say to them that he knew them
not because they think they can bribe God with
their fame and wealth they amass for themselves
by milking the poor. Many of them keep laying up
their treasure here on earth, buying jets, building
schools for business, building hotels, mansions for
themselves and their families, building business
empires and more. God is not interested in all
that as the souls of men. Money is preached
more on sundays in many churches than
salvation. Those who dnt have to contribute are
dispised and relegated to the background. Giving
the rich top positions in the church and neglecting
the poor. Allow politicians to mount the alter as
they like. One thing i would say is that God is
watching.

Ukutsgp:
many people dnt simply know the reason why
they do what they do. They just follow the
multitude whenever they are going. Imagine some
pastors calling those who christ have bought with
his blood robbers because they dnt pay tithe, did
they think God is after money as their soul? God
prefer obedience even more than sacrifice. We dnt
have to offer the sacrifice of fools. The only
people christ called robbers are those who are
buying and selling in the house of God. Turning
the house of God into a business centre. Many
pastors have turned the house of God into money
making ventures. The soul of men is no longer
their top priority again. All they are after is
money. Extorting money from the poor who
should be help by the church. We must retrace
our step back to where we have missed it and
follow the right path.
God is nt the respecter of persons. God doesn't
look at how famous u are. He will cast u out if
you think you are indispensable. On that day
many famous pastors in Nigeria and abroad will
say lord we did miracles and build mansions for
you but God will say to them that he knew them
not because they think they can bribe God with
their fame and wealth they amass for themselves
by milking the poor. Many of them keep laying up
their treasure here on earth, buying jets, building
schools for business, building hotels, mansions for
themselves and their families, building business
empires and more. God is not interested in all
that as the souls of men. Money is preached
more on sundays in many churches than
salvation. Those who dnt have to contribute are
dispised and relegated to the background. Giving
the rich top positions in the church and neglecting
the poor. Allow politicians to mount the alter as
they like. One thing i would say is that God is
watching.

You couldn't have said it any better. Hopefully, someone will start using his brains. I think part of the problem is that people worship their pastors instead of God....many believe their pastors are unquestionable. Until people start questioning these pastors, things will never change. Their followers need to use their brains and not swallow everything their pastor tells them. Maybe, its time these pastors start sowing seeds so they too can partake in this supposedly merry go round.

vooks:
The biggest error is to imagine that prosperity gospel is meant to make you rich. It is purely for tithe collectors. 1 out of 1 probability they NEVER go wrong with this doctrine. They make money whether it works or not.

If I was Oyedepo, I'd sow my four jets and reap four hundred

plz dont bust my lungs with laughter,nowdays these pastor cant even give a sacrifice of praise n worship which everyliving being can afford coz during praise deep down they singin whose here n how many lord u knw which lord
n come worship time D scripture is Dilema translated according to their needs not God's will
time for offering u go bankrupt or ur greeting will b met with dt one of a maffia smile n hug

WinsomeX:
MILLIONAIRE PASTORS... POOR MEMBERS

by Victor Oyeleke

There is no doubt that church business is very lucrative.

If church business is so lucrative, what are 48million jobless nigerian youths waiting for?

The overwhelming number of churches in Nigeria is a testament of how profitable owning a church is and if that is not enough evidence, then perhaps the recently published list of the top 10 richest pastors in the world where the top earner, Pastor David Oyedepo, is estimated to have a networth of $150m should suffice.

It doesn't suffice. How did the published list arrive at its figures? Did they have access into anybody's account and asset details? How do poor members allegedly donate $150million. Have you everlived with poor people? They can't donate to buy a power transformer for their street/community even if it would save their lives. They don't have such money, that is why they are POOR. You can't eat your cake and have it as it were. It is either they are poor or they are not.

While the notion of soul-saving preachers with humble earnings and possessions is currently quite surreal and almost fictional, it was the norm until the healing revivals of the 1950s. When a group of pentecostal evangelists such as William Branham, Kenneth Hagin, Oral Roberts and A. A. Allen embraced an understanding of faith as an activator that unleashed spiritual power. At the same time, they understood the Bible as a source of God’s laws and covenants that gave believers specific rights and privileges.

Actually, there are still many preachers with humble earnings and possessions. the majority are even poor. You cannot count the about 10 or so(in Nigeria) jet owning and supposedly well to do as majority. How can you call the many poor looking churches in many streets across the nation as fictional?

Over the years, this teaching was revamped and made more sophisticated. Preachers shifted from the “God of fire and brimstone” to a more appealing one of “grace and prosperity”. It gained worldwide prominence and prominent preachers like Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo, Chris Okotie and Matthew Ashimolowo are keeping the movement strong in Nigeria.

This brand of Christianity advocates behaving like children of the kingdom by dressing like queens and kings, thinking positively, and believing it is your right as a child of the kingdom to be rich and you should partner with God by faith to pursue riches.

i don't know about pursuing riches. But God's children are children of the King and should behave so. They are strangers and pilgrims and should not behave like earthling beggars waiting for the UN or WHO to come to their aid. A child of God should think positively, not negatively A child of God had rights and privileges in the kingdom. A child of God should pursue God and righteousness. i however do not apologize for being wealthy.

The heart of the principle of this teaching seems to be exclusively reliant on you using something to get something.

Of course you have to use something to get something, albeit legally. There is no free lunch, this is not a APC or PDP manifesto.

Though you could give God your time and other non-material things, money seems to be the most acceptable form of payment to unlock the blessings of heaven. It almost has the undertone of taking from the devil.

Well, that is wrong if anybody teaches that.

These preachers sell the gospel as the pathway to riches. Feeding the desire of their followers to be rich even though it is contrary to what Paul said in 1 Timothy 6:6-10.

The gospel certainly should bring the provisions and care of God to meet your needs.

To support their theory, they use themselves as examples testifying of the turnover they made from sowing seeds. Dr. Mike Murdock is well known for this tactic.

Motivated by stories of financial gain, out of the little they have, members pay their tithes and then go through the rigmarole of seed sowing. They sow the seed, water it, weed it and even fence it. The seed then become more important than seeking the kingdom of God. Matthew 6:33- “But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.”

People shouldn't be focused on material wealth, nonetheless we should not turn a blind hypocritical eye to it.
Luk 12:15 And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.

While giving is not wrong per se, a majority of these prosperity preachers are living a luxurious life off their poor members who are in dire need of help.

Owning a multimillion-dollar private jet just to “oversee churches” to quote Pastor Adeboye while some members are living in poverty is acceptable by these preachers.

Personal opinions are allowed. Forcing it as a doctrine on others is where we may have issues.

Being accustomed to life of luxury, some preachers with branches in the west gets carried away and spends church funds at will, which eventually lands them in murky situations.

While Christ Embassy is currently under investigation for alleged mismanagement of funds, the British government ordered Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo to pay back £200,000 in 2006 after it emerged that he used church assets to buy a £13,000 Florida time share and spent £120,000 on his birthday celebrations, including £80,000 which was spent on a car.

Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor is currently embroilled in the controversy of how his private jet was used to ferry $9.3 million seized by the South African government. He is a friend of government as well as National President of Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN).

Though members should be responsible for the needs of their pastors, making giving money a prerequisite for receiving from God is punitive.

While there may be unfortunate examples set by men, it should be noted that men are not the standard but the Word of God. You can't accuse men's examples like Murdock's, and then turn to use men's examples yourself.

It is a safe bet that a congregation with less than 500 members would surely have testimonies of people reaping from sowing but not everyone would experience such gain. However, those who did not reap from sowing are not given a refund rather they are encouraged to sow more and believe more. The onus is placed on them and not the preacher who spoke confidently about the powers of sowing and they are thrust into a perpetual circle of giving and
believing while the preachers travel the world in private jets, drive in fully air conditioned cars, send their children to the best schools and have the best of everything.

How many pastors with less than 500 members travel about in private jets? There is nothing wrong with a pastor being rich, except there is something wrong with a child og God being rich. The office and calling of a a pastor is not a call to penury or poverty or ascetism. Find your way to the monastery if that's where your example lies.

The height of the irony is that; members cannot afford to send their children to the schools they helped establish and majority of these preachers benefited from free missionary schools.

Rubbish. There are many church members whose children are in good schools and even travel abroad. Everybody is not the same, nor can everybody go to the same school. Talking about free missionary schools, missionary schools were sponsored by people abroad. Yes, peoplesacrificed and vowed and volunteered and gave their live savings and callings and professions. That is not free, somebody paid for it. Travel expenses, salaries, clothing, feeding, gifts etc, people paid and still pay till date for these things. There are people benefitting from scholarships and generous donations and grants in good schools today.

Charity, which is a foundation of Christianity seems to have absconded. Even those claiming to be involved in charity are just using it as a façade. The church is now a market hub, everything is for sale. It is all about the cha-ching! cha-ching!! And if you do not have loads of it, then you are relegated to the bottom of the food chain.

I wonder what Jesus Christ would do if he walks into a church today.

Culled from www.tribune.com.ng/sunday-zest/item/18342-millionaire-pastors-poor-members/18342-millionaire-pastors-p

Articles listing world richest pastors, 5 of the top 10 are Nigerians:
www.richestlifestyle.com/top-10-richest-pastors-in-the-world/

Charity has not being absconded or whatever. Yes, we all need to do more, but it will be ignorance and a lack of exposure to say or imply that nothing is being done. We are expecting Jesus too. Are you?

^^^

In other words we should have more millionaire pastors and more poor members.

What's your take on the fact that five of the richest pastors in the world are Nigerians. With the richest being David Oydepo. If not from people's giving and tithes how else did he make his money?

WinsomeX:
^^^

In other words we should have more millionaire pastors and more poor members.

What's your take on the fact that five of the richest pastors in the world are Nigerians. With the richest being David Oydepo. If not from people's giving and tithes how else did he make his money?

In other words, a pastor should not be unduly criticized based alone on his possessions. There is no fact anywhere that five of the richest pastors in the world are Nigerians. It is not even logically sustainable. Where do the supposedly poor members who are living under the poverty line get the alleged donations that made the nigerian pastors the richest in the world?What bank are the pastors using, who went to check their account balance? Do we just conjure up figures to criticize people?

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In other words, a pastor should not be unduly criticized based alone on his possessions. There is no fact anywhere that five of the richest pastors in the world are Nigerians. It is not even logically sustainable. Where do the supposedly poor members who are living under the poverty line get the alleged donations that made the nigerian pastors the richest in the world?What bank are the pastors using, who went to check their account balance? Do we just conjure up figures to criticize people?

How does Forbes magazine, for example, get their informations from to list out world richest people?

This is how they get stupendously rich.

They teach blessings as a god. To partake in this blessings, they encourage tithing, firstfruit, prophet offerings, etc, from people. At the close of the day, the minister and his church are rich. Then they invest these riches in real estate, transportation, schools, and all kinds of business ventures. The capital being people's money. The profit theirs.

That's the making of the Pastorpreneur.

WinsomeX:


How does Forbes magazine, for example, get their informations from to list out world richest people?

This is how they get stupendously rich.

They teach blessings as a god. To partake in this blessings, they encourage tithing, firstfruit, prophet offerings, etc, from people. At the close of the day, the minister and his church are rich. Then they invest these riches in real estate, transportation, schools, and all kinds of business ventures. The capital being people's money. The profit theirs.

That's the making of the Pastorpreneur.

Oh, was it Forbes sir? Do find out how Forbes gets their information.
i can only shake my head at your conjectures. Na so e easy to make $150million. So you have any shred of evidence about any of these so called 5 rich pastor's preneurship? Or you hear it at the football viewing centre?

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Oh, was it Forbes sir? Do find out how Forbes gets their information.
i can only shake my head at your conjectures. Na so e easy to make $150million. So you have any shred of evidence about any of these so called 5 rich pastor's preneurship? Or you hear it at the football viewing centre?

Exactely my thoughts, sometimes our popular magazines lie or distort the truth. I once read Bishop Oyedepo's saying that the dailies were lieing about him having 4 private jets, and that he had only 2. Look at the case of Oyakhilome his wife is divorcing him for inappropraite relationship, but the popular dailies in nigeria here said Adultery.

Am doubting this Forbes magazine account, it sounds too good to be true, the exchange rate of dollar to naira is very high, and yet no american mega pastor is on the top list. Besides forbes magazine has a history for being negative towards the prosperity creed.

Yooguyz:


Exactely my thoughts, sometimes our popular magazines lie or distort the truth. I once read Bishop Oyedepo's saying that the dailies were lieing about him having 4 private jets, and that he had only 2. Look at the case of Oyakhilome his wife is divorcing him for inappropraite relationship, but the popular dailies in nigeria here said Adultery.

Am doubting this Forbes magazine account, it sounds too good to be true, the exchange rate of dollar to naira is very high, and yet no american mega pastor is on the top list. Besides forbes magazine has a history for being negative towards the prosperity creed.

i'm even waiting for him to confirm if it was Forbes. i think not.

WinsomeX:

How does Forbes magazine, for example, get their informations from to list out world richest people?
This is how they get stupendously rich.
They teach blessings as a god. To partake in this blessings, they encourage tithing, firstfruit, prophet offerings, etc, from people. At the close of the day, the minister and his church are rich. Then they invest these riches in real estate, transportation, schools, and all kinds of business ventures. The capital being people's money. The profit theirs.
That's the making of the Pastorpreneur.

There's little basis for comparing the Forbes list of the world's richest people with this make-believe list of richest pastors. Information about the richest people on earth is generally publicly available. Take for example, Mark Zuckerberg. Forbes would simply look at the percentage of Facebook stock he owns or even the raw number, say 10 million shares. Then multiply it by the price of Facebook stock. Other properties he owns may also have public information. In the end, you won't capture everything, but the bulk is captured. Even for companies whose stock is not sold on the stock exchange, there are credible valuation tools. That's part of the reason Forbes would never include rich billionaires in Nigeria and other developing countries whose wealth is stolen but whose investments are opaque. Now, who can clearly say that they know what the pastors have invested in and use that to arrive at a figure? Remember, we're not talking of what their ministries own, such as buildings that we can see, but the pastors' private resources.

nlMediator:


There's little basis for comparing the Forbes list of the world's richest people with this make-believe list of richest pastors. Information about the richest people on earth is generally publicly available. Take for example, Mark Zuckerberg. Forbes would simply look at the percentage of Facebook stock he owns or even the raw number, say 10 million shares. Then multiply it by the price of Facebook stock. Other properties he owns may also have public information. In the end, you won't capture everything, but the bulk is captured. Even for companies whose stock is not sold on the stock exchange, there are credible valuation tools. That's part of the reason Forbes would never include rich billionaires in Nigeria and other developing countries whose wealth is stolen but whose investments are opaque. Now, who can clearly say that they know what the pastors have invested in and use that to arrive at a figure? Remember, we're not talking of what their ministries own, such as buildings that we can see, but the pastors' private resources.

If Forbes and others cannot safely deduce from available informations what our Pastorpreneurs are worth, is it safe to conclude that someone is hiding something?

Take Oyedepo for example, he owns four jets. Why should it be difficult to estimate what he is worth if he is not hiding something? And if he is, why?

My point really is if you claim we cannot safely deduce what these pastors are worth, why is this so? Could it be that they have something to hide? If like Nigerian politicians they may not have made their money from clean verifiable means, could be the reason it's difficult to estimate their worth?

The answer to my questions will show that there is some way of knowing these pastors worth and the OP is correct after all. And if the OP is correct, do we not have a reason to fear and ask questions?

WinsomeX:


If Forbes and others cannot safely deduce from available informations what our Pastorpreneurs are worth, is it safe to conclude that someone is hiding something?

Take Oyedepo for example, he owns four jets. Why should it be difficult to estimate what he is worth if he is not hiding something? And if he is, why?

My point really is if you claim we cannot safely deduce what these pastors are worth, why is this so? Could it be that they have something to hide? If like Nigerian politicians they may not have made their money from clean verifiable means, could be the reason it's difficult to estimate their worth?

The answer to my questions will show that there is some way of knowing these pastors worth and the OP is correct after all. And if the OP is correct, do we not have a reason to fear and ask questions?

Did Forbes tell you that they cannot safely deduce? Are you blind thus as not to see that your source worked on unfounded guesswork and media hype? Who told you that it is difficult to estimate what anybody is worth? Do you know what you yourself are worth to start with? Do we conclude that you are hiding something since i do not know what you are worth? At least, you claim to be equal to everybody. The OP is not correct after all. The OP believes a bogus and assuming list of the top 10 richest pastors in the world.

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Did Forbes tell you that they cannot safely deduce? Are you blind thus as not to see that your source worked on unfounded guesswork and media hype? Who told you that it is difficult to estimate what anybody is worth? Do you know what you yourself are worth to start with? Do we conclude that you are hiding something since i do not know what you are worth? At least, you claim to be equal to everybody. The OP is not correct after all. The OP believes a bogus and assuming list of the top 10 richest pastors in the world.

It is just amazing how folks could swallow such issues from the media but when it comes to scriptures, they will tell you it is myths and fables.SMH!

Well GOD is definitely not poor -- Gold-paved Roads, Mansions with gates made of pearl and diamonds.. nicca is a regular blinged-out mofo if you ask me

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Did Forbes tell you that they cannot safely deduce? Are you blind thus as not to see that your source worked on unfounded guesswork and media hype? Who told you that it is difficult to estimate what anybody is worth? Do you know what you yourself are worth to start with? Do we conclude that you are hiding something since i do not know what you are worth? At least, you claim to be equal to everybody. The OP is not correct after all. The OP believes a bogus and assuming list of the top 10 richest pastors in the world.

You must learn to pass your veiws across without unnecessarily attacking one's person. We may have disagreed in other threads but it's a mark of immaturity to convey old grievances at new issues. Asking me if I know how much I am worth is not necessary to this thread.

That said. How did you come to the conclusion that the OP was founded on guess work or media hypes? On what bases do you measure the correctness of the OP? Do you have another source of info that gives a different report?

the truth is dat some people are just too lazy to read and understand wat d bible really say..so they settle for any interpretation dis pastors give because if u read and understand wat d bible really teach and expect of you,no one will talk u out of it. I pray Almighty God give us d strength,ability and grace to read nd understand wat d bible really teach.Amen

The most startling bit is not that Pastors are wealthy, but that the source of their wealth is almost entirely from their members' giving and not any value addition activity. I wonder if these pastropreneurs are comfortable with their wealth seeing its dubious sources. You can bet deep down they are ashamed of it else they would gladly be less opaque with their income streams ( salary, honorarium,cumulative monthly prophet's gifts and so forth)

WinsomeX:


You must learn to pass your veiws across without unnecessarily attacking one's person. We may have disagreed in other threads but it's a mark of immaturity to convey old grievances at new issues. Asking me if I know how much I am worth is not necessary to this thread.

That said. How did you come to the conclusion that the OP was founded on guess work or media hypes? On what bases do you measure the correctness of the OP? Do you have another source of info that gives a different report?

What old grievances? Can you mention or indicate any old grievance that i conveyed?
i simply put you in a pastor's shoe/scenario. You imply that pastors have something to hide if their worth cannot be determined by some wannabe webpage. In the same vein, Do we conclude that you are hiding something since i do not know what you are worth? Or the same measures you used to judge others don't apply to you and is not necessary?
The source of the OP is just guesswork and media hype. i''ve already asked questions to the validity. If you have answers, you can present them.

The only problem is the wrong means they employ in getting their money.
You threaten some guys with hell fire, curses and the devourer and out of fear they surrender their cash to you and then you call that prosperity.
If giving is really the deal to make money, then oyedepo and mike Murdock should give out their private jet and expect 100 brand new jets

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What old grievances? Can you mention or indicate any old grievance that i conveyed?

I should ask you.

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i simply put you in a pastor's shoe/scenario. You imply that pastors have something to hide if their worth cannot be determined by some wannabe webpage. In the same vein, Do we conclude that you are hiding something since i do not know what you are worth? Or the same measures you used to judge others don't apply to you and is not necessary?

Unfortunately, you would not answer the questions posed at you earlier. How did you also conclude they are "wannabe" website?

I brought up the issue of hiding their source of wealth when the mediator said that Forbes had certain parameters to measure the source of wealth of some men. My question to him, and to you, is simple; how do you know that the same parameters Forbes used were not used on the pastors themselves by this media. And if they could not be used, is it possible that the pastors are hiding something? If Forbes have access to my resources, like the this online medium could, they can very well measure my source of wealth. So i certainly do not have anything to hide and you have no point in that regard. What I am saying to you and nl is that both of you cannot question the manner of deriving the source of the wealth of these pastors because there are verifiable means of obtaining their source of wealth. And since this publication, non of them has challenged the information provided, like Jonathan did sometimes ago. So?

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The source of the OP is just guesswork and media hype. i''ve already asked questions to the validity. If you have answers, you can present them.

Keep asking, I am sure someone should be gracious enough to answer you.

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What old grievances? Can you mention or indicate any old grievance that i conveyed?
i simply put you in a pastor's shoe/scenario. You imply that pastors have something to hide if their worth cannot be determined by some wannabe webpage. In the same vein, Do we conclude that you are hiding something since i do not know what you are worth? Or the same measures you used to judge others don't apply to you and is not necessary?
The source of the OP is just guesswork and media hype. i''ve already asked questions to the validity. If you have answers, you can present them.

For the first time I must agree with you here, I believe they arrived at the estimated wealth of these scammers through guess work or guesses. In my opinion Oyedepo is worth a lot more than $150million attributed to him. The last Jet he bought cost $50million surely he can't be worth just $150 million to be able to afford this and three other jets.