yme1:
I think equality can be right and wrong at the same time. It all depends on what point of view and ones perspective on it.
I am in full support of the equal pay for equal work between a man and a woman but then again someone else might argue against this.

But I do believe in this fight for equality, in general a man cannot or should not be equal to a woman especially in marriage, two captains they say cannot call the shots in one ship. it is either they both put ideas together and one person gives out the orders from the gathered idea or risk the ship sinking

For some, fighting for equality might be same as fighting for justice and fairness

To each its own.

yme1:
I think equality can be right and wrong at the same time. It all depends on what point of view and ones perspective on it.
I am in full support of the equal pay for equal work between a man and a woman but then again someone else might argue against this.

But I do believe in this fight for equality, in general a man cannot or should not be equal to a woman especially in marriage, two captains they say cannot call the shots in one ship. it is either they both put ideas together and one person gives out the orders from the gathered idea or risk the ship sinking

For some, fighting for equality might be same as fighting for justice and fairness

To each its own.

bukatyne:
equality /ɪˈkwɒlɪti,iː-/

noun

noun: equality; plural noun: equalities

1.

the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, or opportunities.

"an organization aiming to promote racial equality"

synonyms: fairness, justness, equitability, impartiality, even-handedness, egalitarianism, equal rights, equal opportunities, non-discrimination;

antonyms: inequality

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=what+is+the+definition+of+equality&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7WZPG_enNG434&gws_rd=ssl

equity/ˈɛkwɪti/
noun

noun: equity; singular proper noun: Equity; noun: Equity

1.
the quality of being fair and impartial.

"equity of treatment"

synonyms: fairness, fair-mindedness, justness, justice, equitableness, fair play;

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I edit this later

Sophyrocks:


Going by this definition, Equality and Equity are the same. so why are people creating distinctions between the two? What is wrong with treating others the exact way you would like to be treated as taught in the bible? Isnt that equality itself? I dnt understand. It seems a lot of people are confused over what they are arguing for. Equal rights, equal opportunities, fairness and justice is what equality is about.

bukatyne:


@Bolded: A man should not be equal to a woman (as in a man is superior or a man has pen.s; a woman has v.gay type of 'inequality')?

edwife:
We are about to witness another round of nonstop arguments on who is superior or not.The reason I do not participate in those arguments is simple,I do what works for me.It has gone personal and we really need to slow down.
Being a wife and a mother is by choice.

Nashville:


Not always the same. From the picture, the left was equality. Treating everybody the same way. The right was equity - which is more like fairness. My whole point is that men and women cannot always be treated the same way all the time because it may not be always fair.

bukatyne:
equality /ɪˈkwɒlɪti,iː-/


I edit this later

Before I edit, yme1's post just brought to focus what I was thinking immediately I read the OP:

99% of people who say men and women are not equal are not coming from a 'men has pen.s; women have v.gay' or 'men like blue women like pink' thingy but from a 'men are superior to women' aspect.

yme1:


Superiority and Equality are two different thing.
Like I said earlier, two captains can't call the shots. The world does not work that way, everyone can't be equal in terms of power, status, riches, talent, intelligence, et al that same arithmetic applies to man and woman.

As stated earlier this is my own opinion and differs from some others

bukatyne:

@Bolded: A man should not be equal to a woman (as in a man is superior or a man has pen.s; a woman has v.gay type of 'inequality')?

Nashville:


Not always the same. From the picture, the left was equality. Treating everybody the same way. The right was equity - which is more like fairness. My whole point is that men and women cannot always be treated the same way all the time because it may not be always fair.

yme1:

Neither did I say it was, I used that as an example from the different forms of equality that is being fought for

If you read from the beginning of my post you can see I touched another aspect relating to pay at work

Again, To each its own

aisha2:


True, @ another round of arguements.

Sophyrocks:


The definition of equality still talks about fairness and justice. Let me ask you, i believe you are a christian, "what does doing unto others what you would like them to do unto you" mean? When that command was made, was it talking about a particular gender or both genders? I want to understand where you are coming from when you say "Both genders should be treated differently.

bukatyne:


You seem not to understand my question.

I want to leave marriage out of it and discuss in general

This is my question below:

yme1:



My Answer:
A man should not be equal to a woman because, Men are physically stronger by nature, they are usually more aggressive and externally oriented. In contrast, a woman usually embodies the ideal of inner dignity. By me saying a man and woman should not be equal does not mean a woman is inferior and the man is superior. In the real sense, women are emotionally more stronger than a man and they can either break a man or build him.

Men and women are naturally different in physical strength and emotional strength, they think differently, even dress differently, speak with different voice and pitch and their whole internal system body and mind is different so with this in mind there is a purpose for those differences and their social rights cannot be the same but can benefit each other and society.

Nashville:

I can mention several things. There have been several times when my secretary comes to me saying she has to go home because of menstrual pain (wierd she tells me such). And I always let her go. A guy cannot try that o.
Sometimes engineers have to do some lifting and climbing. Most women generally do not want to do such and I genuinely believe it shoud not count against them. The physically stronger person should do heavy lifting.
A female in the office says she is pregnant. Even if it is one month sef, she comes in and goes as she pleases. No guy can even try that.
Women have some issues that are specific and unique to women alone. If we all went by the rule of treating every body equally, then may be some of those issues will never be addressed because they do not bother men. But treating people fairly means that such issues should be catered for to ensure that everyone's right is protected.

Nashville:


I can mention several things. There have been several times when my secretary comes to me saying she has to go home because of menstrual pain (wierd she tells me such). And I always let her go. A guy cannot try that o.

Sometimes engineers have to do some lifting and climbing. Most women generally do not want to do such and I genuinely believe it shoud not count against them. The physically stronger person should do heavy lifting.

A female in the office says she is pregnant. Even if it is one month sef, she comes in and goes as she pleases. No guy can even try that.

Women have some issues that are specific and unique to women alone. If we all went by the rule of treating every body equally, then may be some of those issues will never be addressed because they do not bother men. But treating people fairly means that such issues should be catered for to ensure that everyone's right is protected.

aisha2:
Thank God for Equality, she should not get to go home because she has menstrual cramps except she has a medical report which says she cant work when she is on her period.

aisha2:
For the pregnant women, its unfair for her to come in once a month and it is allowed to slide. She can either take a sick leave or an extended leave if she is having a difficult pregnancy but not showing up or just showing up when she decides is not professional. I am a woman, I carry babies and that is not acceptable.

TV01:

I don't agree - and that is not even what obtains in progressive places. Everyone has responsibility in determining their health/capability. True for some women it may be a chronic issue and documented, but for others it may vary in severity. If a woman says her cycle is causing her debilitating pain - debilitating enough for her to leave the office - off she goes, whether it's frequent or a one off. She may need medical sign-off for a longer absence, but as a man and a manager, I would not question that - I'd even be cautious if she had a history of malingering.
There are also differentials in "pain threshold" between men and women. I've had to re-orient myself away from "equality" in this regards with my wife. It would just be insensitive of me to do otherwise. And I'm also factoring in the differentials between men and othe rmen.
As per my first answer, if that is what she determines she is able to manage, then it slides. The business may take a view that she should just not bother and sign her off, but she doesn't get tagged in any way, if her presence is impacted by her condition.
TV

aisha2:
If we recieve the same salary as men then we should be able to do same amount of work and not push our work over to our male colleagues because they may not have periods and all.

TV01:

And that - I believe - is the point Nash is making, true equality understands and works with that fact of life. And it sees the bigger picture. Birth pains are for the long-term good and survival of us all.
TV

aisha2:


True to some extent but I am a woman and sadly I see so many women taking advantage of this. Endometrisis is extreme case of period pains and the sufferer should get a doctors report and it can be treated like any other sickness as asthma etc but if the employee knows before getting into the organization then she should do full disclosure during medicals not to get to work and start missing work every 3 days because its her cycle.

If we recieve the same salary as men then we should be able to do same amount of work and not push our work over to our male colleagues because they may not have periods and all.

Nashville:
My point is that all cannot be treated equally. It never works. Some people will need special treatment and it is not necessarily preferencial. They just need it to achieve their objectives. Sorry, I do not treat my wife exactly the same way she treats me. Sometimes, she makes some special requests that I would hardly make or her. Like driving her around because she is tired . Such requests are only made by her.

Gender roles are different and rather than claiming we should all be treated equally, my whole point is that our differences should all be accommodated in ensuring a peaceful soceity.

Stillfire:
You can call it whatever, as far as you get the message that a man is by no means superior to a woman.