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Re: .... by ba7man(m): 1:17pm On Nov 02, 2014
MudRaker:



Shilling in a shill thread by a shill for another shill.

This is some inception sh1t
He's using everyone's words against them.

You'll need a more thought out response.

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Re: .... by MudRaker: 1:19pm On Nov 02, 2014
ba7man:
He's using everyone's words against them.

You'll need a more thought out response.

It goes a long way to prove that Jonathan supporters are not blind sheeps. They will ciritisize their president objectively.

They are not follow follow clowns like you janjawiids.
Re: .... by Nobody: 1:19pm On Nov 02, 2014
arewafederation:


Facts are sacred. Thanks for such wonderfu revelation.
I owe my country such patriotic act. Voting out PDP/Jonathan is a patriotic call

Its a pleasure boss

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Re: .... by arewafederation: 1:19pm On Nov 02, 2014
MudRaker:


I thought I told you ab0ki that it is haram to internetz?

Go and recite your Koran

Hehehehe... Reasoning distinguishes humans from animals and it has just been established that you do things without reason.

Kikikikikikikikicheesycheesycheesy

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Re: .... by MudRaker: 1:20pm On Nov 02, 2014
arewafederation:


Hehehehe... Reasoning distinguishes humans from animals and it has just been established that you do things without reason.

Kikikikikikikikicheesycheesycheesy

Coming from a goat farker like you.
Re: .... by MudRaker: 1:22pm On Nov 02, 2014
barcanista:
I owe my country such patriotic act. Voting out PDP/Jonathan is a patriotic call

Its a pleasure boss

And voting in the most despotic military ruler who toppled an elected civilian government is a sign of patriotism?
Re: .... by arewafederation: 1:23pm On Nov 02, 2014
MudRaker:


Coming from a goat farker like you.

I now know you guys reason like animals.
Kikikikikikikicheesy

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Re: .... by Mrval20(m): 1:23pm On Nov 02, 2014
barcanista:
its about voters education and not political warrior
Alright sir, I just hope some people would stop overdoing it.
Re: .... by MudRaker: 1:24pm On Nov 02, 2014
arewafederation:


I now know you guys reason like animals.
Kikikikikikikicheesy

Go and recite Arabic that you don't understand
Re: .... by Nobody: 1:25pm On Nov 02, 2014
MudRaker:


And voting in the most despotic military ruler who toppled an elected civilian government is a sign of patriotism?

Arewafederation have responded to you
arewafederation:

Hehehehe... Reasoning distinguishes humans from animals and it has just been established that you do things without reason.
Kikikikikikikikicheesycheesycheesy
arewafederation:

I now know you guys reason like animals.
Kikikikikikikicheesy

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Re: .... by Nobody: 1:26pm On Nov 02, 2014
Those guys support Jonathan because buhari is next to Devil, its not as if jonathan is superb but he's the best option for now.

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Re: .... by Nobody: 1:27pm On Nov 02, 2014
Mrval20:

Alright sir, I just hope some people would stop overdoing it.
overdoing what exactly? The question is, is whatever they say factual or not? If not challenge them. If factual why argue? If factual, why not consider a change of government? If Naija gets better it is all of us that wl enjoy it and vice versa.
Re: .... by MudRaker: 1:28pm On Nov 02, 2014
barcanista:
Arewafederation have responded to you

You have no reason why Buhari should be president.

Not one single one other than that you will prefer an ab0ki government than an igbo dominated one.


You are full of hate and jealousy.


Useless janjawiid

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Re: .... by MudRaker: 1:30pm On Nov 02, 2014
menabadoo:
Those guys support Jonathan because buhari is next to Devil, its not as if jonathan is superb but he's the best option for now.

Even at that, Jonathan supporters are not blind sheeples like the APC touts here who want Nigeria to return to the time of their bankrupt fathers who slaved for the north.

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Re: .... by Nobody: 1:30pm On Nov 02, 2014
menabadoo:
Those guys support Jonathan because buhari is next to Devil, its not as if jonathan is superb but he's the best option for now.
Thank you for acknowledging that Jonathan is below average at best.


Nigerians will like to know how Buhari is next to devil? We believe you are very intelligent and have lots of fact to back your claim. Pls don't disappoint us.

We are waiting Sir...

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Re: .... by anonimi: 1:31pm On Nov 02, 2014
arewafederation:


Hehehehe... Reasoning distinguishes humans from animals and it has just been established that you do things without reason.

Kikikikikikikikicheesycheesycheesy

I thought Boko Haram means no to Western education. Did I miss something
Re: .... by arewafederation: 1:35pm On Nov 02, 2014
anonimi:


I thought Boko Haram means no to Western education. Did I miss something

You missed the fact that Boko Haram are the brothers and sons of Jonathan.

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Re: .... by anonimi: 1:37pm On Nov 02, 2014
arewafederation:


You missed the fact that Boko Haram are the brothers and sons of Jonathan.

They are from Niger Delta where we derive the oil money we share as national cake
Is that where Sheriff and Shekau are from as well?
Re: .... by Nobody: 1:39pm On Nov 02, 2014
barcanista:
Who wants to "Islamise Nigeria" between Jonathan and Buhari?
A Jonathan whose cabinet have...
1. IGP- Muslim
2. Defense Minister Muslim
3. ExDefense Minister of State- Muslim
4. National Security Adviser- Musim
5. PDP National Chairman- Muslim

6. Who was VP when Nigeria renewed her membership in OIC in 2009?
Answer: Goodluck Jonathan.

7. Who led Nigeria's delegation to OIC Islamimc Conference in 2013?

Ans: Goodluck Jonathan.


If anybody should be accused of Islamizing Nigeria, that person should be Goodluck Jonathan and PDP
diehard foool..

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Re: .... by MudRaker: 1:40pm On Nov 02, 2014
Rexxie:

diehard foool..

You beat me to it

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Re: .... by Nobody: 1:41pm On Nov 02, 2014
arewafederation:


You missed the fact that Boko Haram are the brothers and sons of Jonathan.
arguing with anonimi is synonymous to using a spoon to evacuate the waters from atlantic ocean. In other words, it will take you nowher. #meaningless

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Re: .... by arewafederation: 1:43pm On Nov 02, 2014
anonimi:

They are from Niger Delta where we derive the oil money we share as national cake
Is that where Sheriff and Shekau are from as well?
If you think im lying, ask Jonathan.

vedaxcool:


From ebele's mouth
www.nairaland.com/attachments/1823643_jonathanandbokoharam_jpeg4cab8aedf557dbca1ec3912a47f11786
Re: .... by arewafederation: 1:45pm On Nov 02, 2014
barcanista:
arguing with anonimi is synonymous to using a spoon to evacuate the waters from atlantic ocean. In other words, it will take you nowher. #meaningless

The only thing I like from his posts are his red paintings.grin
Re: .... by Nobody: 1:45pm On Nov 02, 2014
Rexxie:

diehard foool..
lols did I skip anything?
Re: .... by anonimi: 1:47pm On Nov 02, 2014
arewafederation:

If you think im lying, ask Jonathan.


and you want me to believe a poster, without a credible source and the context in which the statement was made
You must have mistaken me for one of the "senseless & useless" dogmatic followers of the Arewa People's Congress, APC. Sorry but I am not!
Re: .... by Nobody: 1:48pm On Nov 02, 2014
arewafederation:


The only thing I like from his posts are his red paintings.grin

He actually made me to hate color red
Re: .... by Nobody: 1:49pm On Nov 02, 2014
Demdem say something
Re: .... by arewafederation: 1:50pm On Nov 02, 2014
barcanista:
He actually made me to hate color red

Lolz...cheesy
Re: .... by MudRaker: 1:53pm On Nov 02, 2014
arewafederation:

If you think im lying, ask Jonathan.

Taqiyya in full display.

You Muslims are bloody liars who will lie that the sun is the moon.


Islam must seem a paradoxical religion to non-Muslims. On the one hand, it is constantly being portrayed as the religion of peace; on the other, its adherents are responsible for the majority of terror attacks around the world. Apologists for Islam emphasize that it is a faith built upon high ethical standards; others stress that it is a religion of the law. Islam's dual notions of truth and falsehood further reveal its paradoxical nature: While the Qur'an is against believers deceiving other believers—for "surely God guides not him who is prodigal and a liar"[1]—deception directed at non-Muslims, generally known in Arabic as taqiyya, also has Qur'anic support and falls within the legal category of things that are permissible for Muslims.


Muslim deception can be viewed as a slightly less than noble means to the glorious end of Islamic hegemony under Shari'a, which is seen as good for both Muslims and non-Muslims. In this sense, lying in the service of altruism is permissible. In a recent example, Muslim cleric Mahmoud al-Masri publicly recounted a story where a Muslim lied and misled a Jew into converting to Islam, calling it a "beautiful trick."

Taqiyya offers two basic uses. The better known revolves around dissembling over one's religious identity when in fear of persecution. Such has been the historical usage of taqiyya among Shi'i communities whenever and wherever their Sunni rivals have outnumbered and thus threatened them. Conversely, Sunni Muslims, far from suffering persecution have, whenever capability allowed, waged jihad against the realm of unbelief; and it is here that they have deployed taqiyya—not as dissimulation but as active deceit. In fact, deceit, which is doctrinally grounded in Islam, is often depicted as being equal—sometimes superior—to other universal military virtues, such as courage, fortitude, or self-sacrifice.
Yet if Muslims are exhorted to be truthful, how can deceit not only be prevalent but have divine sanction? What exactly is taqiyya? How is it justified by scholars and those who make use of it? How does it fit into a broader conception of Islam's code of ethics, especially in relation to the non-Muslim? More to the point, what ramifications does the doctrine of taqiyya have for all interaction between Muslims and non-Muslims?

The Doctrine of Taqiyya

According to Shari'a—the body of legal rulings that defines how a Muslim should behave in all circumstances—deception is not only permitted in certain situations but may be deemed obligatory in others. Contrary to early Christian tradition, for instance, Muslims who were forced to choose between recanting Islam or suffering persecution were permitted to lie and feign apostasy. Other jurists have decreed that Muslims are obligated to lie in order to preserve themselves,[2] based on Qur'anic verses forbidding Muslims from being instrumental in their own deaths.[3]

This is the classic definition of the doctrine of taqiyya. Based on an Arabic word denoting fear, taqiyya has long been understood, especially by Western academics, as something to resort to in times of religious persecution and, for the most part, used in this sense by minority Shi'i groups living among hostile Sunni majorities.[4] Taqiyya allowed the Shi'a to dissemble their religious affiliation in front of the Sunnis on a regular basis, not merely by keeping clandestine about their own beliefs but by actively praying and behaving as if they were Sunnis.

However, one of the few books devoted to the subject, At-Taqiyya fi'l-Islam (Dissimulation in Islam) makes it clear that taqiyya is not limited to Shi'a dissimulating in fear of persecution. Written by Sami Mukaram, a former Islamic studies professor at the American University of Beirut and author of some twenty-five books on Islam, the book clearly demonstrates the ubiquity and broad applicability of taqiyya:

Taqiyya is of fundamental importance in Islam. Practically every Islamic sect agrees to it and practices it … We can go so far as to say that the practice of taqiyya is mainstream in Islam, and that those few sects not practicing it diverge from the mainstream … Taqiyya is very prevalent in Islamic politics, especially in the modern era.[5]

Taqiyya is, therefore, not, as is often supposed, an exclusively Shi'i phenomenon. Of course, as a minority group interspersed among their Sunni enemies, the Shi'a have historically had more reason to dissemble. Conversely, Sunni Islam rapidly dominated vast empires from Spain to China. As a result, its followers were beholden to no one, had nothing to apologize for, and had no need to hide from the infidel nonbeliever (rare exceptions include Spain and Portugal during the Reconquista when Sunnis did dissimulate over their religious identity[6]). Ironically, however, Sunnis living in the West today find themselves in the place of the Shi'a: Now they are the minority surrounded by their traditional enemies—Christian infidels—even if the latter, as opposed to their Reconquista predecessors, rarely act on, let alone acknowledge, this historic enmity. In short, Sunnis are currently experiencing the general circumstances that made taqiyya integral to Shi'ism although without the physical threat that had so necessitated it.

The Articulation of Taqiyya

Qur'anic verse 3:28 is often seen as the primary verse that sanctions deception towards non-Muslims: "Let believers [Muslims] not take infidels [non-Muslims] for friends and allies instead of believers. Whoever does this shall have no relationship left with God—unless you but guard yourselves against them, taking precautions."[7]

Muhammad ibn Jarir at-Tabari (d. 923), author of a standard and authoritative Qur'an commentary, explains verse 3:28 as follows:

If you [Muslims] are under their [non-Muslims'] authority, fearing for yourselves, behave loyally to them with your tongue while harboring inner animosity for them … [know that] God has forbidden believers from being friendly or on intimate terms with the infidels rather than other believers—except when infidels are above them [in authority]. Should that be the case, let them act friendly towards them while preserving their religion.[8]

Regarding Qur'an 3:28, Ibn Kathir (d. 1373), another prime authority on the Qur'an, writes, "Whoever at any time or place fears … evil [from non-Muslims] may protect himself through outward show." As proof of this, he quotes Muhammad's close companion Abu Darda, who said, "Let us grin in the face of some people while our hearts curse them." Another companion, simply known as Al-Hasan, said, "Doing taqiyya is acceptable till the Day of Judgment [i.e., in perpetuity]."[9]

Other prominent scholars, such as Abu 'Abdullah al-Qurtubi (1214-73) and Muhyi 'd-Din ibn al-Arabi (1165-1240), have extended taqiyya to cover deeds. In other words, Muslims can behave like infidels and worse—for example, by bowing down and worshiping idols and crosses, offering false testimony, and even exposing the weaknesses of their fellow Muslims to the infidel enemy—anything short of actually killing a Muslim: "Taqiyya, even if committed without duress, does not lead to a state of infidelity—even if it leads to sin deserving of hellfire."[10]

Deceit in Muhammad's Military Exploits

Muhammad—whose example as the "most perfect human" is to be followed in every detail—took an expedient view on lying. It is well known, for instance, that he permitted lying in three situations: to reconcile two or more quarreling parties, to placate one's wife, and in war.[11] According to one Arabic legal manual devoted to jihad as defined by the four schools of law, "The ulema agree that deception during warfare is legitimate … deception is a form of art in war."[12] Moreover, according to Mukaram, this deception is classified as taqiyya: "Taqiyya in order to dupe the enemy is permissible."[13]

Several ulema believe deceit is integral to the waging of war: Ibn al-'Arabi declares that "in the Hadith [sayings and actions of Muhammad], practicing deceit in war is well demonstrated. Indeed, its need is more stressed than the need for courage." Ibn al-Munir (d. 1333) writes, "War is deceit, i.e., the most complete and perfect war waged by a holy warrior is a war of deception, not confrontation, due to the latter's inherent danger, and the fact that one can attain victory through treachery without harm [to oneself]." And Ibn Hajar (d. 1448) counsels Muslims "to take great caution in war, while [publicly] lamenting and mourning in order to dupe the infidels."[14]

This Muslim notion that war is deceit goes back to the Battle of the Trench (627), which pitted Muhammad and his followers against several non-Muslim tribes known as Al-Ahzab. One of the Ahzab, Na'im ibn Mas'ud, went to the Muslim camp and converted to Islam. When Muhammad discovered that the Ahzab were unaware of their co-tribalist's conversion, he counseled Mas'ud to return and try to get the pagan forces to abandon the siege. It was then that Muhammad memorably declared, "For war is deceit." Mas'ud returned to the Ahzab without their knowing that he had switched sides and intentionally began to give his former kin and allies bad advice. He also went to great lengths to instigate quarrels between the various tribes until, thoroughly distrusting each other, they disbanded, lifted the siege from the Muslims, and saved Islam from destruction in an embryonic period.[15] Most recently, 9/11 accomplices, such as Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, rationalized their conspiratorial role in their defendant response by evoking their prophet's assertion that "war is deceit."

A more compelling expression of the legitimacy of deceiving infidels is the following anecdote. A poet, Ka'b ibn Ashraf, offended Muhammad, prompting the latter to exclaim, "Who will kill this man who has hurt God and his prophet?" A young Muslim named Muhammad ibn Maslama volunteered on condition that in order to get close enough to Ka'b to assassinate him, he be allowed to lie to the poet. Muhammad agreed. Ibn Maslama traveled to Ka'b and began to denigrate Islam and Muhammad. He carried on in this way till his disaffection became so convincing that Ka'b took him into his confidence. Soon thereafter, Ibn Maslama appeared with another Muslim and, while Ka'b's guard was down, killed him.[16]

Muhammad said other things that cast deception in a positive light, such as "God has commanded me to equivocate among the people just as he has commanded me to establish [religious] obligations"; and "I have been sent with obfuscation"; and "whoever lives his life in dissimulation dies a martyr."[17]

In short, the earliest historical records of Islam clearly attest to the prevalence of taqiyya as a form of Islamic warfare. Furthermore, early Muslims are often depicted as lying their way out of binds—usually by denying or insulting Islam or Muhammad—often to the approval of the latter, his only criterion being that their intentions (niya) be pure.[18] During wars with Christians, whenever the latter were in authority, the practice of taqiyya became even more integral. Mukaram states, "Taqiyya was used as a way to fend off danger from the Muslims, especially in critical times and when their borders were exposed to wars with the Byzantines and, afterwards, to the raids [crusades] of the Franks and others."[19]

Taqiyya in Qur'anic Revelation

The Qur'an itself is further testimony to taqiyya. Since God is believed to be the revealer of these verses, he is by default seen as the ultimate perpetrator of deceit—which is not surprising since he is described in the Qur'an as the best makar, that is, the best deceiver or schemer (e.g., 3:54, 8:30, 10:21).

While other scriptures contain contradictions, the Qur'an is the only holy book whose commentators have evolved a doctrine to account for the very visible shifts which occur from one injunction to another. No careful reader will remain unaware of the many contradictory verses in the Qur'an, most specifically the way in which peaceful and tolerant verses lie almost side by side with violent and intolerant ones. The ulema were initially baffled as to which verses to codify into the Shari'a worldview—the one that states there is no coercion in religion (2:256), or the ones that command believers to fight all non-Muslims till they either convert, or at least submit, to Islam (8:39, 9:5, 9:29). To get out of this quandary, the commentators developed the doctrine of abrogation, which essentially maintains that verses revealed later in Muhammad's career take precedence over earlier ones whenever there is a discrepancy. In order to document which verses abrogated which, a religious science devoted to the chronology of the Qur'an's verses evolved (known as an-Nasikh wa'l Mansukh, the abrogater and the abrogated).

But why the contradiction in the first place? The standard view is that in the early years of Islam, since Muhammad and his community were far outnumbered by their infidel competitors while living next to them in Mecca, a message of peace and coexistence was in order. However, after the Muslims migrated to Medina in 622 and grew in military strength, verses inciting them to go on the offensive were slowly "revealed"—in principle, sent down from God—always commensurate with Islam's growing capabilities. In juridical texts, these are categorized in stages: passivity vis-á-vis aggression; permission to fight back against aggressors; commands to fight aggressors; commands to fight all non-Muslims, whether the latter begin aggressions or not.[20] Growing Muslim might is the only variable that explains this progressive change in policy.

Other scholars put a gloss on this by arguing that over a twenty-two year period, the Qur'an was revealed piecemeal, from passive and spiritual verses to legal prescriptions and injunctions to spread the faith through jihad and conquest, simply to acclimate early Muslim converts to the duties of Islam, lest they be discouraged at the outset by the dramatic obligations that would appear in later verses.[21] Verses revealed towards the end of Muhammad's career—such as, "Warfare is prescribed for you though you hate it"[22]—would have been out of place when warfare was actually out of the question.

However interpreted, the standard view on Qur'anic abrogation concerning war and peace verses is that when Muslims are weak and in a minority position, they should preach and behave according to the ethos of the Meccan verses (peace and tolerance); when strong, however, they should go on the offensive on the basis of what is commanded in the Medinan verses (war and conquest). The vicissitudes of Islamic history are a testimony to this dichotomy, best captured by the popular Muslim notion, based on a hadith, that, if possible, jihad should be performed by the hand (force), if not, then by the tongue (through preaching); and, if that is not possible, then with the heart or one's intentions.[23]

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Re: .... by arewafederation: 1:55pm On Nov 02, 2014
anonimi:


and you want me to believe a poster, without a credible source and the context in which the statement was made
You must have mistaken me for one of the "senseless & useless" dogmatic followers of the Arewa People's Congress, APC. Sorry but I am not!

I don't expect you to believe anything. Aren't you a Jonathanian who does not know why Jonathan should be re- elected?
Re: .... by Nobody: 1:58pm On Nov 02, 2014
@mudraker

I don't how how this rubbish affect government of nigeria
Re: .... by MudRaker: 1:58pm On Nov 02, 2014
arewafederation:


I don't expect you to believe anything. Aren't you a Jonathanian who does not know why Jonathan should be re- elected?

If you [Muslims] are under their [non-Muslims'] authority, fearing for yourselves, behave loyally to them with your tongue while harboring inner animosity for them … [know that] God has forbidden believers from being friendly or on intimate terms with the infidels rather than other believers—except when infidels are above them [in authority]. Should that be the case, let them act friendly towards them while preserving their religion.


Keep deceiving your father

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