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Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by alexis007(m): 5:27pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
@ agentofallah...you duplicated your full biology textbook here and expect me 2 study it?...dude biko,abridge that epistle....who'd read all that nah?am i preparing for a final year examination?....and i really need to follow you to your village so that i can see this 700-year old tree you are talking about... |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by alexis(m): 5:28pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
AgentOfAllah You're a shameless, pathetic LIAR If my mathematical reasoning was too complex for you, you could simply have asked me to break it down, and I would even have been happy to share with you the freshly plotted figures of the reference plots to enhance your understanding, instead your arrogance compelled you to wrongfully accuse me of copying and pasting from Wikipedia. Share the Wikipedia link I copied from if you are truthful. Olodo! You have summed up your mathematical reasoning quite well. We are off-springs of fishes and amoeba - you are arrived at that conclusion because someone else said so. . Look, I hardly have time for idio.ts. You have posted wikipedia several times even when I stated that scientists and serious researchers don't refer to wikipedia. Since you want to know which link you posted - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroevolution 1 Like |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by alexis(m): 6:09pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
AgentOfAllah Given your mendacious antecedents of fabricating nonsense, I really don't think you could, but I'll still ask anyway: Can you cite where Darwin said the above? You know when someone has reached the point of desperation when they have to stoop to the inelegance of mendacity to earn cheap points. You are not only stu.pid but blind as well. This was what I posted: According to Darwin, the simple cell, which he honestly thought was simple—contrary to modern cell biology—could have arisen from non-living chemicals in a warm little chemical pond (Darwin, 1959, 2:202) Another reason to ignore you. You think a jellyfish is a fish, when actually, it is a zooplankton. This is the same person trying to debate evolution, and he doesn't even know the basics. I guess you've never heard of the word "misnomer" before. I would be shocked if you don't think seahorses are actual horses. We should coin a new word for people like you, ignolatry; that is, the worship of ignorance. You don't deserve my time! My mistake. My intent was to state that jellyfishes are not vetebrates as humans yet the claim that we are all came from a single organism doesn't hold water. I admit that I made an error. *yawn* ...Boring Coming from someone who can't refute what I posted. Cha!. The claims here are simple; if we indeed did come from single cell organism, we should be able to repeat the process. So far, you haven't come close to providing an example of how to repeat such process. 1 Like |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Nobody: 6:24pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Liekiller:i'm tired 1 Like |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by alexis(m): 7:31pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Peterken05: Where does biology show with proof that you can get one kind of specie from another kind of specie? |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Liekiller(f): 7:32pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
alexis007: *sigh* I'm starting to think you must be a troll because nobody could possibly be THIS dumb and incoherent |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by AgentOfAllah: 7:34pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
alexis007:You asked for my coherent argument, and I obliged. I even made an illustration just for you. If you didn't want it you shouldn't have asked, and I wouldn't have bothered. Maybe your unwillingness to read is the problem here. 700 years is quite young in tree age. Trees can live for several thousands of years of you let them. |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Liekiller(f): 7:59pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
alexis: FOSSILS. GENETICS. COMPARATIVE ANATOMY. ATAVISMS. AND SO ON. |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by AgentOfAllah: 8:08pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
alexis: Don't try to save your face. You're a liar, and I called you out. You mendaciously accused me of "copying and pasting" from Wikipedia now you changed your accusation from "copy and paste" to posting a link. Which is still a lie. I hyperlinked a word which I used in my text, but I didn't copy and paste from wiki or post a link. When a word is hyperlinked, you don't have to click on it. I only hyperlinked it because I thought it might be useful, but the hyperlink played no role in the content or quality of my text. On Wikipedia, do you mean to claim that there are no factual contents? We're having a scientific discussion, yes, but it's not a formal discussion, so I can use Wikipedia as a reference. Like I earlier said, tackle the message, not the messenger. If you wish to contest anything in the particular Wikipedia article I shared because it is scientifically inaccurate, please do so, then we can discuss further. But dismissing it because it is from Wikipedia is an informal logical fallacy known as argumentum ad hominem or "poisoning the well", which is a disingenuous thing to do. But then again, you're no stranger to dishonesty, are you? And yes, in case you didn't notice, I hyperlinked your fallacy to Wikipedia so you can educate yourself. 1 Like |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by alexis007(m): 9:08pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
AgentOfAllah:it's just that it was so long that i thought you were writing me a dissertation |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by alexis007(m): 9:09pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
AgentOfAllah: |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by AgentOfAllah: 9:17pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
alexis:I think I see where your coming from. You're quoting a Christian apologetic site (http://www.apologeticspress.org/apPubPage.aspx?pub=1&issue=610) which probably misquoted/intentionally misconstrued Darwin. I'll excuse that. Now I'm asking you to provide me with a specific reference where Darwin made such a claim. (Darwin, 1959, 2:202) is not a reference because it does not tell me where to look. Kindly reference the book/journal and page number (like I did when I referenced the origin of species). If it's from a journal, also provide the year, volume and issue numbers. I have access to all manuscripts ever published in the history of science, so please show me where Darwin made such a claim. Contrary to what your fake apologetic site claims, evolution does not talk about the origin of life, it assumes the a priori existence of life, much like Newton's work on gravity does not speculate on the source of gravity, but assumes the existence of gravity Glad you haven't sacrificed all of your honesty on the alter of blind faith. Every time a sperm cell fertilises an egg, it becomes a single cell organism. With time, this single cell becomes a complex being via mitosis, so your assumption that complexity cannot emerge from a single entity is hokum! If you want me to show you evidence of a fish producing a human offspring, you first repeat the process of your great-grandparents giving birth to your grandparents, and then your parents and then you. If that process is scientific but unrepeatable, then I wonder why you think science requires that evolutional facts must be repeatable to be true. There are tools were use, e.g. DNA sequencing, to verify them, very much in the same way DNA tests can verify your great-grandparents. 1 Like |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by alexis007(m): 9:26pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Liekiller:now i'm dumb and incoherent because i don't see things your way?who on earth said that scientists can't be arrogant fanatics as well?If this one has met Islam b4 science...he'd make a devout,rank-and-file member of the ISIS group |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Liekiller(f): 9:35pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
alexis007: no, I would NOT say such a thing if we were talking about mere opinions. I respect your opinion (and your belief too btw - as long as you keep it out of science). But we are talking about scientific facts which, when presented to you, you refuse to even read and instead make fun of without having read and understood the meaning. See the great efforts AgentofAllah has gone through in order to explain things in great detail. Yet the only thing I have seen from you so far is mockery and nonsense. I mean... if you don't wish to learn what you are ignorantly talking about, and you don't wish to have a sensible debate what are you doing in this thread?! |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by AgentOfAllah: 9:53pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
alexis007: You asked for it!!! |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by alexis007(m): 9:56pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Liekiller:you now want me out of this thread?i hope you are joking...because the last time i checked,i still reserve my freedom of association...and naughty me,that Allah guy worked himself out just to convert me to darwinism....he tried battering his way 2ru an impenetrable fortress.i sincerely do hope that long dissertation he wrote me was copied-and-pasted from Wiki (which is relatively easier than trying to form arguments on your own)....and just like peter,i've backed out of the debate(it's no use trying to convince one to see abiogenesis the biblical Genesis way when he is already more evolutionist than charles darwins)....i'm only here to inject a brief comic relief after alexis and you hotheads must have wasted your tym and data typing vain crap... |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by alexis007(m): 10:03pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
AgentOfAllah:asked for a saga?....you are not serious...anyway keep this epistle...you know,it could win you mega millions in an essay competition |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Liekiller(f): 10:09pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
alexis007: I rest my case. you ARE a troll, and a fool, and you are wasting everybody's time |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by alexis007(m): 10:16pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Liekiller:....and a troll i am!...if you like,carry 'evolution theory' for head like hawker...that's certainly none of my biz.....it doesn't stop Providence (or should i call him 'God' so that you would get irritated the more) from supplying me with @ least 3-square meals a day |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by AgentOfAllah: 10:24pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
alexis007:I agree with your self-burn! impenetrable fortress is just another euphemism for thick skull Regrettably, nothing I wrote was copy and paste. I actually spent time trying to address your misconceptions and answering your question. I apologise to myself for thinking you were worth my time. ....and just like peter,i've backed out of the debate(it's no use trying to convince one to see abiogenesis the biblical Genesis when he is already more evolutionist than charles darwins)If I didn't know better though, I'd say your backing out is a tad bit convenient. A lily-livered sketch of escapism, perhaps? Evolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis, stop lying! If your style of comic relief is self-jubilant dimwittedness, then I give it to you, you're a natural, only it gets boring after a while. Wasted time? Maybe... But I just might have a lot of time to waste. Don't worry about my data though, I have unlimited internet subscription. 2 Likes |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by AgentOfAllah: 10:28pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
alexis007: Oh how kind of you to flatter me so! I knew deep down, you had some appreciation for my effort, you're just shy to directly admit it. |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by alexis(m): 10:51pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
AgentOfAllah I think I see where your coming from. You're quoting a Christian apologetic site (http://www.apologeticspress.org/apPubPage.aspx?pub=1&issue=610) which probably misquoted/intentionally misconstrued Darwin. I'll excuse that. Now I'm asking you to provide me with a specific reference where Darwin made such a claim. (Darwin, 1959, 2:202) is not a reference because it does not tell me where to look. Kindly reference the book/journal and page number (like I did when I referenced the origin of species). If it's from a journal, also provide the year, volume and issue numbers. I have access to all manuscripts ever published in the history of science, so please show me where Darwin made such a claim. Contrary to what your fake apologetic site claims, evolution does not talk about the origin of life, it assumes the a priori existence of life, much like Newton's work on gravity does not speculate on the source of gravity, but assumes the existence of gravity Of course I am a theists, not only that; the reason the evolution model of simple life to complex life makes no sense is that there are no recorded examples of it happening. There are two issues here: 1. The claim that complex life came from single organism was never proven by anyone. Darwin observed birds and said the the changes in the beaks of the birds mean that humans evolved from amoeba. And that is simple not true. Theists don't doubt micro-evolution or evolution that can be observed i.e. adaptation and that has never been my argument. My argument is that evolution doesn't provide proof of simple life to complex life or from one KIND to another KIND. That has always been my stand and that is all I have asked you to provide proof on. Instead you have mentioned similarities to prove we all came from an amoeba. 2. Darwin claimed life came from non-life at some point in his life. I am including a link from the "US National Library of Medicine". Please read the whole account and references before you respond. I hate having to address the same issue over and over again: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2745620/ Glad you haven't sacrificed all of your honesty on the alter of blind faith. We all make mistakes and an honest person should admit it when he has made one. Every time a sperm cell fertilises an egg, it becomes a single cell organism. With time, this single cell becomes a complex being via mitosis, so your assumption that complexity cannot emerge from a single entity is hokum! These are not the claims of the evolution we are talking about. And to use this as an example is very dis-honest on your part. The sperm of a man and the egg of a woman are unique in that they are both from humans i.e. the same KIND. A human sperm and a human egg doesn't produce an alien. The sperm is not of a donkey and the egg is not that of a lion and that is what you are describing. You have attempted several times to give examples that are not related to the case. All I am asking is this - if indeed the Darwin theory of simple life from i.e. amoeba to a complex life form, say a fish. Can it be replicated? YOU HAVE REFUSED TO ADDRESS THIS CLAIM If you want me to show you evidence of a fish producing a human offspring, you first repeat the process of your great-grandparents giving birth to your grandparents, and then your parents and then you. You keep making yourself look stu.pid by stating such. It shows how much you know about the topic you are discussing. It is at this point where intellects put their brains down and run off in the opposite direction. All my family are humans; there are no fishes, goats or apes in our lineage and that is why I am a human. We are of the same KIND. . If you want me to say it in another language, I will try to . My proof is repeatable, it can be observed and experimented. All I ask is you to the same If that process is scientific but unrepeatable, then I wonder why you think science requires that evolutionary facts must be repeatable to be true. Dude, why are you arguing blindly. Are you saying that two humans can or can't produce a third human? You seem to be saying that since there is no record of my grand-parents having sex to give birth to my parents and than to me; it it means it's not repeatable - is that your claim? There are tools were use, e.g. DNA sequencing, to verify them, very much in the same way DNA tests can verify your great-grandparents. Repeatable means you can reproduce the claim. For example, my grand-parents where humans and when humans have sex they produce off-spring. I can repeat that process; I can observe it and say, when they have sex what happens after that i.e. fertilization of the sperm and egg etc. I can draw conclusive results stating that when two humans mate; they can produce another human being. Now, try and do the same with two different animals or in your case from simple forms of an amoeba and see how it produces a more complex animal. This has always been my claim and you seem to be dancing in a circle in addressing it 1 Like |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by alexis(m): 10:59pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
AgentOfAllah Don't try to save your face. You're a liar, and I called you out. You mendaciously accused me of "copying and pasting" from Wikipedia now you changed your accusation from "copy and paste" to posting a link. Which is still a lie. I hyperlinked a word which I used in my text, but I didn't copy and paste from wiki or post a link. When a word is hyperlinked, you don't have to click on it. I only hyperlinked it because I thought it might be useful, but the hyperlink played no role in the content or quality of my text. Save face? Are you for real? It seems your ego has gotten to your arse . On Wikipedia, do you mean to claim that there are no factual contents? We're having a scientific discussion, yes, but it's not a formal discussion, so I can use Wikipedia as a reference. Like I earlier said, tackle the message, not the messenger. If you wish to contest anything in the particular Wikipedia article I shared because it is scientifically inaccurate, please do so, then we can discuss further. But dismissing it because it is from Wikipedia is an informal logical fallacy known as argumentum ad hominem or "poisoning the well", which is a disingenuous thing to do. But then again, you're no stranger to dishonesty, are you? And yes, in case you didn't notice, I hyperlinked your fallacy to Wikipedia so you can educate yourself. No, I simply asked you to provide references from authoritative sources. When you refer to a scientific statement, you refer to a journal to references posted by academia etc. I am saying wikipedia is not an authoritative source. If I am quoting Darwin, I don't refer to wikipedia as my source or reference because it can be edited an uploaded by anyone - If you have a hard time comprehending that; then you need medication. |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by alexis(m): 11:04pm On Nov 03, 2014 |
Liekiller: Let's get specific and use one case example so we are not running and chasing our tails. Darwin claimed that complex organisms came from simple organisms i.e. from an amoeba came a human. To be sure we are on the same page, is my statement correct? |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Liekiller(f): 12:04am On Nov 04, 2014 |
alexis: bros, you have already admitted you're a troll using your other profile. I take your word for it. Let me guess, another jobless American kid on social welfare? How much of our time do you still want to waste? You're clearly not as dumb as you pretend to be (ever since you use this profile you are able to string sensible sentences together, haha), so what's your point?
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Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by alexis(m): 12:04am On Nov 04, 2014 |
AgentofAllah Can you please address these questions: If scientific theories are superior to scientific laws as you claim, can you please answer these questions: 1. Are there any exceptions to a scientific law? 2. Are there any exceptions to a scientific theory? |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by alexis(m): 12:21am On Nov 04, 2014 |
Liekiller: You seem to be mistaken me for someone else. Look at my posts, they go as far as 2006. I stated that alexis and alexis007 are two different people, I don't know who alexis007 is. So, it appear you have me mixed up with someone else. If you don't want to debate, no problem. If you want to, let's have an honest objective discussion. My points are: 1. If complex life came from simple organism as claimed by Darwin and evolutionist, shouldn't there be multiple examples and instances were we can reproduce the same in this day and age? If we are here today because we came from simple organisms, surely we should be able to prove it in everyday life and it should be a common occurrence 2. At what point did different KIND of species started to originate from the single/simple organism? 3. Can you provide specific fossil examples showing the lineage of how one specie developed into another kind of specie I look forward to your response 1 Like |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Nobody: 11:06am On Nov 04, 2014 |
alexis007: there is nothing like evolutionist guy, it is not a belief system, noboby will crucify for not accepting the theory, its cool not to accept it if you dont understand it well or thoroughly, you cant understand evolution if you cant differentiate between science and the bible, they are two different things. But your case is different, you re dogmatic, you dont want to learn, you're just displaying your ignorance throughout this thread. Pls there is nothing like evolutionist, unless you want to say there are gravitationalist who believe in the theory of gravitationalism. It is just not right. |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by EMILO2STAY(m): 11:28am On Nov 04, 2014 |
alexis007:they are wise fools, people who have gone through a system of indoctrination called education. They quickly term religeous people ignorant when they are guilty of the same or even worse. |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Nobody: 11:38am On Nov 04, 2014 |
alexis: answer to no1, of course there are examples, here: www.science20.com/adaptive_complexity/how_singlecell_organisms_evolve_multicellular_ones no 2 and 3. At what point? The problem with you is that you think evolution is one transformation or one magic that turn animals into another animal instantly, NO, that is not the case, learn more about DNA and genetics. learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/cells/organelles/ 1 Like |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Nobody: 11:51am On Nov 04, 2014 |
alexis: This misconception stems from a mix-up between casual and scientific use of the word theory. In everyday language, theory is often used to mean a hunch with little evidential support. Scientific theories, on the other hand, are broad explanations for a wide range of phenomena. In order to be accepted by the scientific community, a theory must be strongly supported by many different lines of evidence. Evolution is a well- supported and broadly accepted scientific theory; it is not ‘just' a hunch. All scientific theories (from evolutionary theory to atomic theory) are works in progress. As new evidence is discovered and new ideas are developed, our understanding of how the world works changes and so too do scientific theories. While we don't know everything there is to know about evolution (or any other scientific discipline, for that matter), we do know a great deal about the history of life, the pattern of lineage-splitting through time, and the mechanisms that have caused these changes. And more will be learned in the future. Evolutionary theory, like any scientific theory, does not yet explain everything we observe in the natural world. However, evolutionary theory does help us understand a wide range of observations (from the rise of antibiotic-resistant bacteria to the physical match between pollinators and their preferred flowers), does make accurate predictions in new situations (e.g., that treating AIDS patients with a cocktail of medications should slow the evolution of the virus), and has proven itself time and time again in thousands of experiments and observational studies. To date, evolution is the only well-supported explanation for life's diversity. On 'can you prove evolution in the lab?' (1) that all science depends on controlled laboratory experiments, and (2) that evolution cannot be studied with such experiments. First, many scientific investigations do not involve experiments or direct observation. Astronomers cannot hold stars in their hands and geologists cannot go back in time, but both scientists can learn a great deal about the universe through observation and comparison. In the same way, evolutionary biologists can test their ideas about the history of life on Earth by making observations in the real world. Second, though we can't run an experiment that will tell us how the dinosaur lineage radiated, we can study many aspects of evolution with controlled experiments in a laboratory setting. In organisms with short generation times (e.g., bacteria or fruit flies), we can actually observe evolution in action over the course of an experiment. And in some cases, biologists have observed evolution occurring in the wild. More on: evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/misconceptions_faq.php 1 Like |
Re: Top Ten Signs That You Dont Undestand Evolution At All by Nobody: 11:56am On Nov 04, 2014 |
if you dont know evolution works, or you dont understand the concept of theories or hypotheses. Why not read up on it? Instead of coming with pseudoscientific questions and claims on theories, and hypotheses link: undsci.berkeley.edu/article/0_0_0/howscienceworks_19 the websites i posted belong to university of berkeley california. I think thats quite a reliable authority(website). |
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