Patchesagain:


No, that is a POS

In every way.

If you are proud of that, then I rest my case.

Your standards are so low.

It is a Prowler Armoured personnel carrier.

Unlike you, I don't go about parroting a 5% minority owned defence industry.

Patchesagain:


Reported for off topic posting

My Ribs oh

Reported off topic for saying the truth.

*ROTFL*

Henry120:


It is a Prowler Armoured personnel carrier.

Unlike you, I don't go about parroting a 5% minority owned defence industry.

My friend, stop using race to justify ugly designs... I'm black, I can design and I never mention race for any design shortcomings.

UGLY is UGLY... period

mzilakazi:


Mzansi manufactures jet fuel and one of my fellow countrymen proved to you with a source that SAAF flew over 18000 hours in the past financial year, so what is your prob?

According to your defence minister, you lack them.

Her words over yours anyday, anytime.

ActivateKruger:


My friend, stop using race to justify ugly designs... I'm black, I can design and I never mention race for any design shortcomings.

UGLY is UGLY... period

Well, he has accepted that South African designs are better, hence the next frontier, race. But he's lost already, when he goes there, because he never would've gone there if he knew they had better designs.

But they don't.

Was this thing made off a schoolbus anyway?

Henry120:


According to your defence minister, you lack them.

Her words over yours anyday, anytime.

The flight hours come from her department too. So you have a BEEEEG internal conflict to resolve there. But we knew that already.

DieVluit:


How can the leading APC maker in the land be part of 100% white-owned industry when said leading APC maker is owned 100% by government and IS the actual APC industry? Grasping at straws.

Now, wait, how does the comparison of people in the industry change the fact that the Igirigi is ugly and that South Africa produces beautiful APCs?

White minority owned and run defence industry.

Question is, where is the rest of the 90% majority black in that industry?

If according to your claim it is owned by all south-africans. All we see are dutch people all over the place.

mzilakazi:



Do you by anyway insinuate that DENEL is white owned?

I'm saying the Defence industry is 100% white run and owned.

Henry120:


White minority owned and run defence industry.

Question is, where is the rest of the 90% majority black in that industry?

If according to your claim it is owned by all south-africans. All we see are dutch people all over the place.

HOW? HOW? How is the APC industry white minority owned and run, Sir?

Wait, have you given that up? The APC story? Are you now talking about something else?

Forever shifting, is it? Why? Because you keep LOSING?

Denel is 100% owned by the people of SA. By government. It's not a claim. It's a fact.

I asked a question: And how does all this change the fact that the Igirigi is ugly and that South African designs are better?

Henry120:


White minority owned and run defence industry.

Question is, where is the rest of the 90% majority black in that industry?

If according to your claim it is owned by all south-africans. All we see are dutch people all over the place.

You are obsessed with race. Just imagine labelling African Americans as not being American enough.

Henry120:


It is a Prowler Armoured personnel carrier.

Unlike you, I don't go about parroting a 5% minority owned defence industry.

Its a POS

and I am Parroting a 100% South African defence industry.

That is all that matters.

Henry120:


My Ribs oh

Reported off topic for saying the truth.

*ROTFL*

How is economic empowerment related to the quality of military equipment?

Keep moving the goal posts... it wont make your indigenous APC's and less terrible

ActivateKruger:


My friend, stop using race to justify ugly designs... I'm black, I can design and I never mention race for any design shortcomings.

UGLY is UGLY... period

Who's using race to justify anything?

I said the Igirigi isn't ugly.

I also said your defence industry is 100 percent white run and controlled.

Does this read to you like i'm using race to justify design?

Henry120:


According to your defence minister, you lack them.

Her words over yours anyday, anytime.

18 000 hours says we dont.

It goes to show what we have been saying.

We dont literally lack fuel.

We simply lack the fuel we would like to keep the standards we have set for ourselves.

And btw, we budgeted for 22 000 flight hours last year... and only used 18 000 so we actually have an excess of fuel.

And our Minister never said we lack fuel.

Your argument has been destroyed in every conceivable way

Henry120:


Who's using race to justify anything?

I said the Igirigi isn't ugly.

I also said your defence industry is 100 percent white run and controlled.

Does this read to you like i'm using race to justify design?

Why did you bring race up?

Because you couldn't handle the fact that the APC's coming out of SA are miles ahead of the Igirigi and the black school bus.

Henry120:


White minority owned and run defence industry.

Question is, where is the rest of the 90% majority black in that industry?

If according to your claim it is owned by all south-africans. All we see are dutch people all over the place.

Again, I ask.

How is this relevant?

Its 100% South African.

How is race relevant?

Henry120:


White minority owned and run defence industry.

Question is, where is the rest of the 90% majority black in that industry?

If according to your claim it is owned by all south-africans. All we see are dutch people all over the place.

Again, I ask.

How is this relevant?

Its 100% South African.

How is race relevant?

Henry120:


I also said your defence industry is 100 percent white run and controlled.

Which is:

1. Irrelevant
2. Baseless - you have simply made up that "fact"

Yet again, you lose an argument because your equipment is inferior and then start muddying the waters and moving the goal-posts by talking about economic transformation.

Tell me, how is race, in any way shape or form relevant to anything under discussion in this forum?

Henry120:


Who's using race to justify anything?

I said the Igirigi isn't ugly.

I also said your defence industry is 100 percent white run and controlled.

Does this read to you like i'm using race to justify design?

That's untrue. Denel is state owned

Patchesagain:


How is economic empowerment related to the quality of military equipment?

Keep moving the goal posts... it wont make your indigenous APC's and less terrible

It is 5% minority owned. This is the fact, no matter how far you try to run away from it.

Henry120:


Who's using race to justify anything?

I said the Igirigi isn't ugly.

I also said your defence industry is 100 percent white run and controlled.

Does this read to you like i'm using race to justify design?

You mentioned race because we said the Igirigi and that bus-like thing were ugly.

Henry120:


It is 5% minority owned. This is the fact, no matter how far you try to run away from it.

Denel is the APC industry and it is 100% owned by government.

And the Igirigi will still be ugly after all this and South African APC will still be well regarded.

Can the bold part change? Nope! So, why is race relevant?

Henry120:


It is 5% minority owned. This is the fact, no matter how far you try to run away from it.

If its a fact then you should be able to easily post a citation.

As usual you have had to resort to making things up to detract from the fact that Nigeria's flagship design is a sub-standard POS

Henry120:


It is 5% minority owned. This is the fact, no matter how far you try to run away from it.

How is this relevant to Nigeria not being able to compete with South Africa?

DieVluit:


Was this thing made off a schoolbus anyway?

I say they add colours to that thing and sell icecream with it, kids would love to play around with that thing.

" The army has been overlooked in recent acquisition programs and is close to finding itself equipped with obsolete equipment in terms of armored personnel carriers, logistics vehicles and main battle tanks

South Africa's once-effective air force has new aircraft but cannot afford the fuel and maintenance needed to keep them in the air. Despite this, one element of the air force that did see extensive time in the air was Squadron 21, charged with flying South African VIPs and government ministers. Former defense minister Lindiwe Sisilu booked 203 flights over three years in chartered luxury Gulfstream jets at an estimated cost of $4.5 million. Some 63 of the flights were empty, as they were intended solely to pick the minister up somewhere and take her to another destination in what one opposition critic described as "a staggering waste of money"

While government ministers travel in luxury, the South African Air Force (SAAF) still transports troops in 70-year-old Dakota aircraft. One of these, a Dakota C47TP (an upgraded DC-3 with turbine engines) crashed, claiming 11 lives when it was unable to fly above inclement weather. The crash came shortly after the military decided it could no longer afford a maintenance contract for its military aircraft"



As we can see, you lack aviation fuel.

BH is reported to be in possession of thousands of dynamites which they will possibly use to explode prisons, banks, army barracks and police stations. I pity Nigerian soldiers who will be deployed to stop those insurgents.

Henry120:
" The army has been overlooked in recent acquisition programs and is close to finding itself equipped with obsolete equipment in terms of armored personnel carriers, logistics vehicles and main battle tanks

South Africa's once-effective air force has new aircraft but cannot afford the fuel and maintenance needed to keep them in the air. Despite this, one element of the air force that did see extensive time in the air was Squadron 21, charged with flying South African VIPs and government ministers. Former defense minister Lindiwe Sisilu booked 203 flights over three years in chartered luxury Gulfstream jets at an estimated cost of $4.5 million. Some 63 of the flights were empty, as they were intended solely to pick the minister up somewhere and take her to another destination in what one opposition critic described as "a staggering waste of money"

While government ministers travel in luxury, the South African Air Force (SAAF) still transports troops in 70-year-old Dakota aircraft. One of these, a Dakota C47TP (an upgraded DC-3 with turbine engines) crashed, claiming 11 lives when it was unable to fly above inclement weather. The crash came shortly after the military decided it could no longer afford a maintenance contract for its military aircraft"



As we can see, you lack aviation fuel.

once again you come with comments from other critics who do not have inside information about what is going on. I thought you would quote a minister instead.

mzilakazi:
BH is reported to be in possession of thousands of dynamites which they will possibly use to explode prisons, banks, army barracks and police stations. I pity Nigerian soldiers who will be deployed to stop those insurgents.

Don't worry they won't be deployed, their girlfriends will make sure they're not.

Patchesagain:


How is this relevant to Nigeria not being able to compete with South Africa?

After going all emotional, it doesn't change the fact the defence industry is 100% white in south-africa.


Nigeria isn't competing with anybody, nigeria builds and does what nigeria can afford to manufacture.

DieVluit:


Denel is the APC industry and it is 100% owned by government.

And the Igirigi will still be ugly after all this and South African APC will still be well regarded.

Can the bold part change? Nope! So, why is race relevant?

Deny all you want, it doesn't make it false.

It won't change from 100% white.

Henry120:


After going all emotional, it doesn't change the fact the defence industry is 100% white in south-africa.

Nigeria isn't competing with anybody, nigeria builds and does what nigeria can afford to manufacture.

You haven't proved the bold against the fact that Denel is owned by government.

You haven't shown how the Igirigi will be less ugly as a result of the bold part.

Nigeria does not have the ABILITY to compete with anybody on things APC.

It's not a choice.

Henry120:


Deny all you want, it doesn't make it false.

It won't change from 100% white.

Proof that its 100% white? I have proof that the Igirigi and the Bus APC are 100% ugly.