Henry120:


Deny all you want, it doesn't make it false.

It won't change from 100% white.

You haven't shown how Denel is 100% white.

And to keep it close to the point, the Igirigi remains ugly and South Africa remains ahead. Undeniable.

So, let's all accept that you decided to divert to race because you conceded the bold.

Henry120:
" The army has been overlooked in recent acquisition programs and is close to finding itself equipped with obsolete equipment in terms of armored personnel carriers, logistics vehicles and main battle tanks

South Africa's once-effective air force has new aircraft but cannot afford the fuel and maintenance needed to keep them in the air. Despite this, one element of the air force that did see extensive time in the air was Squadron 21, charged with flying South African VIPs and government ministers. Former defense minister Lindiwe Sisilu booked 203 flights over three years in chartered luxury Gulfstream jets at an estimated cost of $4.5 million. Some 63 of the flights were empty, as they were intended solely to pick the minister up somewhere and take her to another destination in what one opposition critic described as "a staggering waste of money"

While government ministers travel in luxury, the South African Air Force (SAAF) still transports troops in 70-year-old Dakota aircraft. One of these, a Dakota C47TP (an upgraded DC-3 with turbine engines) crashed, claiming 11 lives when it was unable to fly above inclement weather. The crash came shortly after the military decided it could no longer afford a maintenance contract for its military aircraft"



As we can see, you lack aviation fuel.

Yet again you have posted an opinion piece

Yet again, facts have proven it to be false.

18 000 hours flown, 22 000 hours budgeted for - no lack of aviation fuel, infact we have too much

Navy to recieve new OPV's by 2016 - Cofirmed by Navy Cheif and budget allowances
Airforce given budget for new Medium Lift and Maritime patrol Aircraft - Confirmed by Budget allowences
Army allready placing orders for new IFV's - confirmed

Again, you can keep parroting the same stuff, but its outdated info and does not comply with hard facts

mzilakazi:



once again you come with comments from other critics who do not have inside information about what is going on. I thought you would quote a minister instead.

Your minister says the. SANDF is in a critical state of decline, saddled with equipments it cannot operate or maintain.

She also said, your troops lack tents in the DRC.

A government official said your SAAF lacks aviation fuel.

Henry120:


After going all emotional, it doesn't change the fact the defence industry is 100% white in south-africa.


Nigeria isn't competing with anybody, nigeria builds and does what nigeria can afford to manufacture.

Syrian rebels do what Nigeria can afford and manufacture

You are rebel teir.

you are simply trolling at this point.

Keep squawking parrot, no one cares.

ActivateKruger:


I say they add colours to that thing and sell icecream with it, kids would love to play around with that thing.

LOL, which is more ugly between this and the Igirigi? It's such a tough one.

Patchesagain:


Yet again you have posted an opinion piece

Yet again, facts have proven it to be false.

18 000 hours flown, 22 000 hours budgeted for - no lack of aviation fuel, infact we have too much

Navy to recieve new OPV's by 2016 - Cofirmed by Navy Cheif and budget allowances
Airforce given budget for new Medium Lift and Maritime patrol Aircraft - Confirmed by Budget allowences
Army allready placing orders for new IFV's - confirmed

Again, you can keep parroting the same stuff, but its outdated info and does not comply with hard facts

Poor attempt at cheap propaganda.

Go and buy aviation fuel for your airforce.

Henry120:


Your minister says the. SANDF is in a critical state of decline, saddled with equipments it cannot operate or maintain.

She also said, your troops lack tents in the DRC.

A government official said your SAAF lacks aviation fuel.

Our minister's department also says 18000 flown. Shall we take this as being accepted by you? I see you've left the aviation story out and are now looking for success elsewhere.

All this because the Igirigi is ugly?

Henry120:


Your minister says the. SANDF is in a critical state of decline, saddled with equipments it cannot operate or maintain.

She also said, your troops lack tents in the DRC.

A government official said your SAAF lacks aviation fuel.

No government official said we lack aviation fuel

She didnt say we have equipment we cannot operate or maintain.

We lacked tents in DRC for a few months... in 2013. It was not a permanent situation.

Mis-quoting, using outdated information, refusing to read sources.

Dude, are you having another breakdown?

Henry120:


Poor attempt at cheap propaganda.

Go and buy aviation fuel for your airforce.

The "propaganda" comes from the same ministry you believe.

ActivateKruger:


Proof that its 100% white? I have proof that the Igirigi and the Bus APC are 100% ugly.

Can you show us a single black owned defence company in south-africa?

Henry120:


Can you show us a single black owned defence company in south-africa?

Why, Denel.

Show us a well-regarded defence company in Nigeria.

Henry120:


Poor attempt at cheap propaganda.

Go and buy aviation fuel for your airforce.

So, official government publications submitted before parliament is now cheap propaganda?

Confirmed contracts are just cheap propaganda?

Your opinion peices are propaganda.

Facts, are... Facts

Patchesagain:


Syrian rebels do what Nigeria can afford and manufacture

You are rebel teir.

you are simply trolling at this point.

Keep squawking parrot, no one cares.

Problem is, 95% of the majority black population cannot.

Henry120:


Can you show us a single black owned defence company in south-africa?

yeah, our biggest one
http://www.denel.co.za/

You done goofed again!!

Henry120:


Problem is, 95% of the majority black population cannot.

And this is relevant how?

Fact is, we are the best in Africa and one of the top 20 nations on earth.

So again, how is this relevant?

Tell us, please, I beg you. Show us the relevance.

DieVluit:


Why, Denel.

Show us a well-regarded defence company in Nigeria.

D what,

Ok, you don't have any.

Mekahog
Proforce defence
Arfa armouring
Streit group
Inkas group

Henry120:


Problem is, 95% of the majority black population cannot.

Wait, 95% or even 100% of Nigeria's population is represented by the Igirigi?

Bwahahahahaha!

Henry120:


D what,

Ok, you don't have any.

Mekahog
Proforce defence
Arfa armouring
Streit group
Inkas group

I said "well regarded". I didn't say "in existence".

And please no Canadian or foreign companies

How desperate is this guy?

DieVluit:


LOL, which is more ugly between this and the Igirigi? It's such a tough one.

The Igirigi looks stepped-on while the Bus APC looks punched-at.

I can't decide who the winner is here.

Henry120:


Mekahog
Proforce defence
Arfa armouring
Streit group
Inkas group

Major International Sales: ZERO

Show us a well regarded Nigerian defence company that makes major international sales to 1st world nations.

Patchesagain:


yeah, our biggest one
http://www.denel.co.za/

You done goofed again!!

Mumu, I thought you didn't care?

All the engineers are white. On paper it is government owned, in practical, white run and controlled.

DieVluit:


I said "well regarded". I didn't say "in existence".

#WRECKED

Henry120:


Mumu, I thought you didn't care?

All the engineers are white. On paper it is government owned, in practical, white run and controlled.

So now you are changing your argument.

First you were talking about black ownership.

Now your talking about run and controlled?

Henry120:


Mumu, I thought you didn't care?

All the engineers are white. On paper it is government owned, in practical, white run and controlled.

Bwahahahaha, in my office, right next door is a VERY black guy who was on the rooivalk and mokopa projects.

Patchesagain:


And this is relevant how?

Fact is, we are the best in Africa and one of the top 20 nations on earth.

So again, how is this relevant?

Tell us, please, I beg you. Show us the relevance.

Yep, Afrikanner defence industry ranks high, where then is the rest of the population, especially the majority black?

Henry120:


Yep, Afrikanner defence industry ranks high, where then is the rest of the population, especially the majority black?

Ok, wait, the Afrikaners rank higher than Nigerians?

DieVluit:


Bwahahahaha, in my office, right next door is a VERY black guy who was on the rooivalk and mokopa projects.

And I was on the international space station project.

Henry120:


Mumu, I thought you didn't care?

All the engineers are white. On paper it is government owned, in practical, white run and controlled.

The Denel Group has been awarded Level-3 Broad Based Black Economic Empowerment status in recognition of its performance in the 2013/14 period.
http://www.denel.co.za/about-us/company-profile

Level 3 = over 50% Black owned and run
http://www.bee.co.za/content/Information.aspx

Now stop de-railing the thread.

This debate is OVER.

You asked for a black owned and run company in our defence sector.

We have given you one - our biggest

DieVluit:


Ok, wait, the Afrikaners rank higher than Nigerians?

With a 524 billion usd economy, that's impossible.

However, with the support gotten from colonialist over the years to the various apartheid governments , nigeria only needs a little time to beat the afrikanner defence industry.

Henry120:


Yep, Afrikanner defence industry ranks high, where then is the rest of the population, especially the majority black?

Where is the relevance of this? You have yet to even prove that it is Afrikaaner run.

So, how does:

Quality of Military Equipment = Racial Ownership profiles.

Dude, do you feel guilty for trying to de-rail the debate?