agaugust:


No, a 100% stolen foreign design and technology
.

Proudly SA. We will come with something new soon.

agaugust:


I have posted all those photos and sources here before. Denying proved facts is the reason I hardly ever comment on this thread again. I am looking for productive and intelligent debates, not time wasting rounds of falsehood.

If the thread is mot worth it anymore, I go off
.

Nigeria is only good at producing toys for children to play.

MikeCZAR:
Go read about the "Mfecane".

That name will pop up.

'mfecane'?!...hmm,that sounds like 'genocide' to me.anyway,i cant read zulu or xarthar{or however its spelled},so i cant start searching for an imaginary book.but i think i like the name 'guskulagozi',its kinda dramatic.

GreenandGold:


That would be the Igirigi with a foreign chases and foreign armor.

South African Rooivalk if 90% French, Ratel engine and chasis is imported, Rooikak chasis and engine is European, Ratel gun is Italian, Rooikat gun is Italian, ALL South African MRAPS are built on imported American/European engines and chasis.

You want some more butt hurting truths?
.

mzilakazi:



Do you mean China doing it for you?


SA is many years ahead of Nigeria. When SA started making weapons Nigeria was nowhere to be found.

Nigeria got 100% technology transfer from China to build a super stealth warship. We are building 70% of the second one already, South Africa has not yet dreamed of entering the stealth ship building world like Nigeria

.

mzilakazi:



Proudly SA. We will come with something new soon.

If you repeat that lie here again I will embarrass South Africa in the next 6 hours, so you better shutt up
.

Centrifude:

Yeah they probably speak the other languages because we have 11 official Languages, I dare you to go to "Wits University" and go look the the students Studying Aeronautical engineering, or Mechanical Engineering, most of them are black, you D*mb a55es think you know everything about S.A, I challenge you to come and see the Some of the old Cheetah jets that out "black" students are working on.

Also go to Denel and check out their Apprenticeship programmes, you'll see a lot of young Black kids training, maintaining some of the Aircrafts and Missiles, and why do you think some of our new missiles have African Names, they have those names because some of them were designed by Black people, or they played a major role in the development of the weapons.

So why is that in all the pics I see of South African engineers, air pilots, high up officials, scientists, doctors, spec op guys etc.. 98% are white? I've even seen more Indians in certain areas of what looks to be your space program, so where are all these amazing blacks you talk of?

agaugust:


South African Rooivalk if 90% French, Ratel engine and chasis is imported, Rooikak chasis and engine is European, Ratel gun is Italian, Rooikat gun is Italian, ALL South African MRAPS are built on imported American/European engines and chasis.

You want some more butt hurting truths?
.

Prove that the Rooivalk is 90% French.

Yes the Ratel gun is imported BUT Denel has a new 30mm gun they are now exporting and will be fitted in the Bedger.

As for the the Igirigi, its all 100% foreign.. So much for proudly Nigerian

agaugust:


Nigeria got 100% technology transfer from China to build a super stealth warship. We are building 70% of the second one already, South Africa has not yet dreamed of entering the stealth ship building world like Nigeria

.

You're stupid that's why you have the tendency of making such claims. If Nigeria can make a ship, why is she bothering China with it?

The ship you're busy burping about is 100% Chinese it will be made by Chinese engineers just like the South African engineers will be making the Jordan Mbombe in Jordan as part of skills transfer. So at the end of the day the Mbombe is South African just like your cheap "stealth" ship that can't even scratch the hull of our frigates.

agaugust:


South African Rooivalk if 90% French, Ratel engine and chasis is imported, Rooikak chasis and engine is European, Ratel gun is Italian, Rooikat gun is Italian, ALL South African MRAPS are built on imported American/European engines and chasis.

You want some more butt hurting truths?
.

Proudly South African.

agaugust:


If you repeat that lie here again I will embarrass South Africa in the next 6 hours, so you better shutt up
.

Proudly South African.

ChukwuCantDie:
So why is that in all the pics I see of South African engineers, air pilots, high up officials, scientists, doctors, spec op guys etc.. 98% are white? I've even seen more Indians in certain areas of what looks to be your space program, so where are all these amazing blacks you talk of?

dude like I said you don't know anything about S.A come here and you'll see a completely different picture, and the pictures of the spec op guys you've probably seen are old, Sandf and Saps hardly releases any recent pics.

For now since the main topic is military I'll post pics of black South african pilots and special forces operatives, I'll have to copy pictures or black, coloured engineers from my laptop to my phone.

agaugust:


It is the aircraft South Africa copied from overseas and stole glory from the foreigners who designed it for you
.

Name it.

agaugust:


If you repeat that lie here again I will embarrass South Africa in the next 6 hours, so you better shutt up
.

Go ahead...

agaugust:


Nigeria has 100% capacity to build stealth warships of 2014 modern generation, South Africa CANNOT do it.

Nigeria built bomb detonation Robot, South Africa does not.

Nigeria produces ground attack rocket pods, South Africa does not.

I can agree South Africa is about 5 years ahead of Nigeria in defence industry, and that's only because Nigeria helped you to inherit the Boer whiteman's legacy, infratsructure and technology handed over to you after being fully built by your ex apartheid European race white masters who wasted all your black and coloured peoples destiny in the process, those your wasted illiterate, lazy, and jobless generations are the ones now being fed free food and houses by the new black ANC government as a permanent annual expense that swallows large portion of South African budget, knocking your country into a massive $40 billion foreign debt that your grandchildren will have to repay both principal amount and loan interest.

Nation of wasters and financial prisoners of Europe

.

Tell me in which defence industry area(Vehicles, Missiles, Aviation, EW, Sensors and artillery) can Nigeria compete with SA?

Is that difficult to answer?

Development, Industrialisation and Production.

EVarn:
'mfecane'?!...hmm,that sounds like 'genocide' to me.anyway,i cant read zulu or xarthar{or however its spelled},so i cant start searching for an imaginary book.but i think i like the name 'guskulagozi',its kinda dramatic.

I can't too.

Go read about it, you'll know who's General/King/Warrior King Mzilikazi or Mzalakazi.

agaugust:


...... I am looking for productive and intelligent debates, not time wasting rounds of falsehood.

If the thread is mot worth it anymore, I go off
.

I have been on this thread for year and a half, Im yet to see you post productive and intelligent debates.

In the duration you failed to;

- Produce the magical flaw of the Ingwe Missile
- Hundreds of Olifants destroyed by Cuba
- The Nigerian Air Force Tucano
- Prove or explain how Tanzania will defeat the SANDF in 2 weeks
- Nigerian Air Force Sukhoi Su 30
- You also failed to prove that the Aradu was oparational.

Agububu I hardly consider you worth debating against, you cannot prove anything you post.

agaugust:


South African Rooivalk if 90% French, Ratel engine and chasis is imported, Rooikak chasis and engine is European, Ratel gun is Italian, Rooikat gun is Italian, ALL South African MRAPS are built on imported American/European engines and chasis.

You want some more butt hurting truths?
.

1. Sandock Austral built the chasis of the Ratel, which then were sent to Pretoria to be fully kitted.

2. Rooikat 76 or 105mm guns are designed by Denel.

+ Unless you wanna tell people that the Rooikat uses a naval artillery gun, with range of around 14km.

3. The Rooivalk is South African designed, sub-contractors supply certain components. Similar to how America will supply engines for the Gripen E and while SA will supply EW kit among other sub-contractors.

+That's done to reduce costs of development.

4. The Rooikat chasis was developed in SA, a month back I posted pictures of the prototypes.


Where's Nigeria? They criticise but have nothing to show?

"Oh you're stronger than me, but I swear John is stronger than you", type of argument.

SAPS Special Task Force

and also...

agaugust:


One minute google searches dispute 90% of South African comments, so easy
.

Let's see Google dispute at least 90% of these (valid) claims:

- The SANDF ranks above the NAF (Nigerian Armed Forces)
- The SAAF is better equipped, more experienced than the NA (Nigerian Airfoce)
- The SAN is better equipment, better trained and more experienced than the NN (Nigerian Navy)
- The South African Special Forces are better trained, more effective, better recognised than the Nigerian Special Forces
- South Africa has the most advanced homegrown weapons in Africa.


Google me facts to counter my facts and paste links.... if not, I will haunt you with this list till the end of 2014.

agaugust:


Nigeria got 100% technology transfer from China to build a super stealth warship. We are building 70% of the second one already, South Africa has not yet dreamed of entering the stealth ship building world like Nigeria

.

The ships are built in China. Nigeria will not be able to market and sell the corvettes.

Yours is to install small stuff like antennas and that.

South African Valour class frigates weapons, Sensors and other stuff was also installed in SA.

More

The Gripen E will be a Swedish fighter. But will have many foreign components. From German, USA, Brazil to South Africa.

The Swedes are designing the thing, to cut development costs and time sub-contractors will supply certain parts.

No Nigerian will even dare say "Half American".

ActivateKruger:


Wishful thinking that all it is, you can't even make a rifle.

Nigeria makes more than rifles, we make heavy machine guns/light anti-aircraft guns and mortar artillery as well as jet fighter air to ground attack rocket pods, the pods that South Africa does NOT manufacture.

You are a big time mumu
.

Patchesagain:


You still posting stats for the Starstreak that is in service with the British Army?

This is relevant how?

Perfectly relevant because that is the stupiid 1km max ceiling missile SANDF imported from Britain to make your weak army air defenseless against Togo Republic
.

Patchesagain:


NTW with the 20mm barrel will punch right through it and through the one next to it.

Nigerian defence industry does not compete with South Africa, you have nothing which even compares to what we make.

Rooivalk is an advanced peice of hardware - Igiri is a armoured car. There is a difference

100% black nation is irrelevant.

Same way 20mm Cannon will penetrate and wreck ALL South African made MRAPs even if you use spiritual magic protection on your MRAPs

First Roovalk helicopter prototype that flew, is an ugly Vulture.

100% black means Nigeria is the greatest black nation on earth and Soweto blacks are 100 years behind Nigerian blacks intellectually
.

MikeCZAR:


1. Sandock Austral built the chasis of the Ratel, which then were sent to Pretoria to be fully kitted.

2. Rooikat 76 or 105mm guns are designed by Denel.

+ Unless you wanna tell people that the Rooikat uses a naval artillery gun, with range of around 14km.

3. The Rooivalk is South African designed, sub-contractors supply certain components. Similar to how America will supply engines for the Gripen E and while SA will supply EW kit among other sub-contractors.

+That's done to reduce costs of development.

4. The Rooikat chasis was developed in SA, a month back I posted pictures of the prototypes.


Where's Nigeria? They criticise but have nothing to show?

"Oh you're stronger than me, but I swear John is stronger than you", type of argument.

South Africa does NOT produce vehicle engines, ALL your IFV, APC, MRAP, etc are just welded steel put on American/European made imported engines.

Rooikat gun is Italian, they gave you 100% technology to make copies....

"The Rooikat is fitted with a fully-stabilized GT4 76-mm main gun, which was developed from Italian OTO Melara naval gun."

http://www.military-today.com/artillery/rooikat.htm

You CANNOT fool a Nigerian, keep on posting your fraud and lies
.

mzilakazi:


proudly South African

No, AHRLAC is stolen design and technology from overseas, from your usual white masters still ruling your economy today and forever...

SOUTH AFRICAN BUILT 'SUPER' DEFENSE INDUSTRY



AMERICAN CIVILIAN HOME-BUILT




The combat aircraft you are boasting about is a copy of 30 years ago simple planes built by amateur private civilians in their house backyard in USA/Europe/Australia

They are called home-built planes....

http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/soaring/9100-twin-boom-pusher-sailplanes.html

http://lightsportaircraftpilot.com/sadler_vampire_ultralightaircraft/index.html

South African defence industry is a thief of other nations' glory and technology

.

agaugust:


No, AHRLAC is stolen design and technology from overseas, from your usual white masters still ruling your economy today and forever...

SOUTH AFRICAN BUILT 'SUPER' DEFENSE INDUSTRY



AMERICAN CIVILIAN HOME-BUILT




The combat aircraft you are boasting about is a simple plane built by private civilians in their house backyard in USA/EU/Australia

They are called home-built planes....

http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/soaring/9100-twin-boom-pusher-sailplanes.html

South African defence industry is a thief of other nations' glory and technology

.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha
. *ROTFL*

MikeCZAR:
What is ALHARC before we can go any further.

That backyard built plane you guys have been parading about.

MikeCZAR:
By that you mean?

Your defence industry is 100% white run, owned and controlled.

Patchesagain:


Debate is over.

We have given you what you asked for.

Our biggest defence company is Black majority owned and run.

Paramount is 75% owned by a BEE holding group
http://www.eprop.co.za/commercial-property-news/item/6757-Paramount-and-Mvelaphanda-announce-BEE-transaction.html

Paramount Group owns the company that makes the AHRLAC

Whats next?

You now have 2 of our biggest defence companies. Both are black majority owned.

Yet again, this does not change the fact that the IGIRIugugugu is a POS

Your industry is white owned, controlled and run, anyway 85% of blacks live in poverty, I don't blame them so much.