Stats: 3,183,709 members, 7,921,538 topics. Date: Thursday, 15 August 2024 at 08:10 AM |
Nairaland Forum / Nairaland / General / Religion / The Lying Deity (10027 Views)
Anti-Deity of Yahshua: Please Kindly Help Frosbel Answer This / The Evidence For The Deity Of Christ. / More Fallacies & Scientific Inaccuracies In The Lying Koran (2) (3) (4)
(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (Reply) (Go Down)
The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 8:29am On Oct 28, 2014 |
According to the Qur’an the final miracle performed by Allah was a huge she-camel that he produced out of a rock. Surah 7:73: “Indeed there has come to you a clear sign (the miracle of the coming out of a huge she camel from the midst of a rock) from your Lord.” (Hilali-Khan) And Surah 17:59 gives us the reason why Allah stopped sending miracles anymore after he had miraculously produced the she-camel out of a rock. Surah 17:59: “And We refrain from sending the Signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false: We sent the she-camel to the Thamud to open their eyes, but they treated her wrongfully: We only send the Signs by way of terror (and warning from evil).” (Yusuf Ali) As we can see, the word “Sign” in this verse denotes the visible and clearly observable miracle of Allah. The Sign or Miracle that Allah sent in this specific instant was a she-camel that was visible to the people of Thamud. The miracle was sent to open their eyes but they treated the she-camel wrongly and killed her. After this incident, Allah decided not to send any more miracles in the future. What can we conclude by the above words of Allah in Surah 17:59? 1. It shows that Allah has “stopped sending miracles.” This means that long before the coming of Muhammad, Allah has decided to stop sending miracles. Hence, if the Qur’an is true, then Muhammad could not have performed any miracle. Therefore, whenever Muslims proudly claim that their Prophet performed many miracles, they are at the same instant admitting that Allah lied in Surah 17:59. 2. It specifies Allah’s reason for not sending miracles. This verse states that Allah found it pointless to perform miracles “because the men of former generations treated them as false.” In other words, Allah has stopped sending miracles because people in the past did not believe in them. 3. It shows in which period of time Allah made a decision to stop sending miracles. More than twenty Qur’anic passages show that whenever Muhammad was asked by his contemporaries to perform a single miracle, he either remained silent or said that he could not do so because he was no more than just an ordinary human being. The most explicit of these passages is in Surah 17:90-93: They said, “We will not believe you unless you cause a spring to gush out of the ground. “Or unless you own a garden of date palms and grapes, with rivers running through it. “Or unless you cause masses from the sky, as you claimed, to fall on us. Or unless you bring GOD and the angels before our eyes. “Or unless you own a luxurious mansion, or unless you climb into the sky. Even if you do climb, we will not believe unless you bring a book that we can read.” Say, “Glory be to my Lord. AM I ANY MORE THAN A HUMAN MESSENGER?” (Khalifa) We will now analyze Surah 17:59 once again but from a different point of view: As a result of the above insolent act of the people of Thamud, Surah 17:59 testifies that Allah has now refrained from sending miracles. The Qur’an does not mention the time period when Prophet Salih was sent to the people of Thamud. But, we can say with certainty that it must be BEFORE the time of Jesus Christ, because according to Muhammad himself, there were no prophets or apostles between the time of Jesus and Muhammad. In other words, the only “Prophet” who was sent after Jesus was Muhammad. Sahih Muslim, Book 030, Hadith Number 5835: Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: I am most akin to Jesus Christ among the whole of mankind, and all the Prophets are of different mothers but belong to one religion and no PROPHET WAS RAISE BETWEEN ME AND JESUS. The Hadith states that “no Prophet was raised between (Muhammad) and Jesus,” Therefore, Salih could not have been sent after the arrival of Jesus but before. Otherwise, it would place him between Jesus and Muhammad. Therefore, Allah must have stopped sending miracles long before Jesus set foot on earth. Yet, the Qur’an admits that Jesus performed many miracles and it even describes some of his miracles. Surah 3:49: And I (Jesus) heal the blind and the leprous, and bring the dead to life with Allah’s permission. (Shakir) How can this be possible? This shows that Allah’s claim in the Qur’an that he was the source behind the powerful works of Jesus is a lie. By his own admission, Allah could not be the one who empowered Jesus with miracles. He simply could not be the originator of Jesus’ miraculous works. Who then is the source of the miracles of Jesus? 1 Like |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 8:31am On Oct 28, 2014 |
The Bible clearly identifies Jehovah as the true source behind the astounding works performed by Jesus Christ: Acts 10:38: “You know that God anointed Jesus from Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. Jesus went through the land doing good and healing all those oppressed by the Devil. Jesus did these things because God was with him.” Jehovah not only caused the miraculous birth of Jesus but also empowered him to perform many miracles. This raises vital questions regarding the true source behind the inspiration of the Qur’an. It certainly could not come from the same Almighty God who performed many miracles through Jesus. Since the Qur’an itself states that Allah has stopped sending miracles long before the arrival of Jesus, Muslims are faced with a dilemma. |
Re: The Lying Deity by PastorKun(m): 9:03am On Oct 28, 2014 |
Hmmmmn very interesting observations. 1 Like |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 9:23am On Oct 28, 2014 |
PastorKun:Surah 2:87: “We gave Jesus, son of Mary, profound miracles and supported him with the Holy Spirit.” (Khalifa) It has always been the practice of Allah to declare whatever he thought was necessary to deceive the unwary. Whenever he wanted to make an impact on his audience with his pretentious awesome power, he talked about the miracles, which he supposedly performed through Biblical prophets. However, when the people of Muhammad’s time demanded that he prove his godship through the evidence of miracles, he dodged them by saying: “I have stopped sending miracles, as people in the past did not believe in them.” This chameleon-like, utterly deceitful behavior on the part of Allah makes him not only a liar but also a cunning schemer. As such, he is totally deceitful. When the unbelievers questioned why Muhammad could not perform a single miracle for them, Allah could not answer them with a miracle. Note carefully how the “miracle-less” Allah evaded the challenge by drawing their attention to the fact that there are sufficient proofs of miracles in the Holy Bible: Surah 20:133: “They say: “Why does he not bring us a sign (proof) from his Lord?” Has there not come to them the proof of that which is (written) in the former papers (Scriptures, i.e. the Taurat (Torah), and the Injeel (Gospel)…” (Hilali-Khan) They said, “If he could only show us a miracle from his Lord!” Did they not receive sufficient miracles with the previous messages? (Khalifa) They say: “Why does he not bring us a sign from his Lord?” “Has not a Clear Sign come to them of all that was in the former Books of revelation?” (Yusuf Ali) As clarified in Hilali-Khan’s translation, the “former Books of revelation” are none other than the “Torah” and the “Gospel.” The Qur’an confirms that accounts of authentic Miracles or Signs can be found in the Holy Bible. Therefore, the source behind those miracles must be none other than the One who inspired the Holy Bible. The Bible identifies Him as Jehovah God. If Muslims need to know anything about true miracles, they must heed the Qur’an’s advice to look for them in the Holy Bible. As we have seen, not only Allah failed to perform any miracles through Muhammad but he also lied to cover up his failure. Muslims must realize that it is not an outside source but the evidences provided by the Qur’an itself proves that Allah is a liar. The fact that Jesus performed many miracles – as proven in the Qur’an – after the time of Salih, confirms the lies of Allah. |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 4:34pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
no coment from my muslims friends, Allah and the true God of the bible cannot be the same.this is clear prove that Allah did not empower jesus to perform miracle because before the coming of jesus ,allah has already stop sending sign. |
Re: The Lying Deity by PastorKun(m): 5:04pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
malvisguy212: I guess NL muslims are getting to embarrassed to defend their beliefs given the avalanche of evidence against it that it cannot possibly be from the true almighty God. I am sure some of them are already recounting their steps. I now know why so many muslims keep abandoning the religion for christianity |
Re: The Lying Deity by BossTtdiamonds(m): 5:21pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
I was goin' to post a new topic in the Islamic section on how Muhammad stole words from Paul (Plagiarism).. But the recent limitations aint gonna let me do that.. |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 5:24pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
PastorKun:God bless you pastor. |
Re: The Lying Deity by plaetton: 6:27pm On Oct 28, 2014 |
Interesting indeed. And I thought that Yahweh and Allah were the dual personalities of the same schizophrenic monster. The war of the gods of African religiotards. I am grabbing a popcorn for this war of the dumb dumbs. 2 Likes |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 5:38pm On Oct 29, 2014 |
The Qur’an is based completely on the personal experiences of one illiterate man spanning a period of 23 years. Only one person allegedly saw the “angel.” Only one person allegedly heard a voice. The entire faith is limited to one book with only one person who allegedly received the vision. There is absolutely no way to verify anything. Our question is, “Does not this then mean that the only way to become a Muslim is to take this one man’s word for it?” |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 8:14pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
Bible record shows that at the very beginning of his ministry, Jesus encountered a spirit creature who confronted him with the sole intention of breaking his integrity. Jesus was destined to become the cornerstone of the Christian faith and Satan wanted to destroy the foundation upon which Christianity was to be built. However, Jesus foiled the plans of Satan by not submitting to his crafty designs. And Satan fled. The full account of Jesus’ encounter with Satan can be read at Matthew 4:1-11. At the beginning of his calling as Allah’s messenger, Muhammad too came into contact with a spirit creature in the cave of Hira. This encounter terrified Muhammad. He became convinced that the spirit creature was a demon. And Muhammad fled. However, he was later led to believe that this spirit creature was an angelic messenger from Allah – a medium to receive revelations from Allah. Was Muhammad deceived? If the angelic messenger who spoke to Muhammad was truly sent by God, then Muhammad is the first person in recorded history to mistaken a “messenger of God” for a demon. According to his own testimony, he at first thought that the angel was a demon, from whom he ran and hid in fear. Muhammad only realized his “error” after his wife – a business woman, who never saw or heard the supernatural messenger – convinced him otherwise.Muhammad thought he was possessed by a demon, until his wife reassured him that he had become a prophet. Through Khadijah’s persuasion, he came to believe that he had received a divine mission from God. The most important difference between the callings of God’s prophets in the Bible and Muhammad’s calling is that there is not a single incident in the Bible where someone confused the calling of God with that of Satan. When God spoke, not one of those called by Him ever said: “I wonder if this is from God or Satan?” In all cases, the calling of God was so convincing, so conclusive and so authoritative that the recipients of the divine mission were immediately certain. There was no question as to who originated the call. Neither was there a need for the assurance of anyone else. The divine callings experienced by the prophets of the true God were completely different from the one experienced by Muhammad. Jesus Christ gave the following warning: Matthew 12:31: “Therefore I say unto you, every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the holy spirit shall not be forgiven.” One of the unforgivable sins against the Holy Spirit is to ascribe the works of God to Satan. Coming to Muhammad, we are left with two options. One: Muhammad was wrong when he concluded that the calling of God was from Satan. Two: Muhammad was right when he concluded that the calling, which came through the angel, was from Satan. If Muhammad was wrong when he interpreted the calling of God as coming from Satan, then he ensnared himself by ascribing the works of God to the Devil. And by claiming that Islam is built on the foundation of Judaism and Christianity, Muhammad placed himself under the divine judgment of the Holy Bible. According to the divine laws of the Holy Bible, he blasphemed against the Holy Spirit and thus committed the unforgivable sin. However, if Muhammad was right and the angelic visitor was indeed from Satan, then a false religion began in the cave that day – a religion inspired by none other than Satan himself. Either option disqualifies Muhammad as a prophet of the true God. And at the same instant, Islam is disqualified as the religion of the true God. 1 Like |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 8:25pm On Oct 30, 2014 |
from the begining , God has already promiese us the spirit of soundmind and remove fear in us, mary and zakariah saw angel gabriel they do not mistake him for a demon nither was anything like tormment , but in the case of muhammad, is difference. 2 Timothy 1:7 clearly states: “For God hath not given us a spirit of fear, but that of power and of love and of soundness of mind.” |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 8:33am On Oct 31, 2014 |
A MANUAL FOR SUICIDE BOMBERS Surah 2:207: And there is the type of man who gives his life to earn the pleasure of Allah: And Allah is full of kindness to His devotees. (Yusuf Ali) Surah 4:74: Therefore, let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world’s life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward. (Shakir) Surah 9:111: Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs in return is the garden of Paradise: they fight in H is cause, and slay and are slain. (Yusuf Ali) Surah 17:33: And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden except by right. (U. Muhammad) |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 7:39am On Nov 03, 2014 |
malvisguy212: |
Re: The Lying Deity by Abdulsalam20(m): 6:56am On Nov 06, 2014 |
malvisguy212: I PITY YO SUIIDE IS FORBIDEN IN ISLAM 29) O ye who believe! eat not up your property among yourselves in vanities: but let there be amongst you traffic and trade by mutual good- will: nor kill yourselves: for verily Allah hath been to you Most Merciful. 30) If any do that in rancor and injustice soon shall We cast them into the fire: and easy it is for Allah. the verses you posted read it well you wlll get d meaning and stop giving islam bad image becasuse you are just increasing ur punishment there are many atroities in the bible but i wont discuss that and like i have always tell you i understand the bible more than you MALVIS TRY TO LEARN ABOUT BOTH RELIGION AND SEE THE TRUTH 2 Likes |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 7:11am On Nov 06, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20:is that all you can say? |
Re: The Lying Deity by Nobody: 12:54pm On Nov 06, 2014 |
What would be the purpose of explaining the true meaning behind these verses? You are going to continue trying to input your own way of understanding, and argue blindly on Qur'anic exegesis, which you are not qualified to make... waste of time. That is why no muslim wants to answer you. Just felt you needed to know the true position; no offence. And to help your comprehension, for a true meaning of any verse, we muslims check Qur'an exegesis derived from other verses and based on authentic hadeeth. We look into the historical background and context of each verse, and what was the purpose of its being revealed. We ascertain the way and manner in which it was understood by the prophet (saw) and his companions. Then we draw conclusions. We do not interprete anyhow we feel like. This is why ignorant extremist muslims and ignorant non-muslims generally are united in interpreting the Qur'an wrongly. They do not apply the standards for deriving the meaning, leading to gross foolishness and extremism. You want to get an opinion on cardiovascular surgery, you go to a cardiovascular surgeon, not to a vulcanizer. Stop wasting your time on shallow anti-Islam websites. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 1:49pm On Nov 06, 2014 |
Abuamam:i created this thread and demanded for answer,all the verses i quote are making reference to one point,which is clear, did allah empower jesus to performed miracle? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 12:46pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
If you strongly believe that Muhammad can guide you to gain eternal salvation, please consider the following confessions of Muhammad in the Qur’an: Surah 46:9: “Say: I am not the first of the apostles, and I do not know what will be done with me or with you: I do not follow anything but that which is revealed to me, and I am nothing but a plain warner.” (Shakir) Surah 7:188: Say: “I have no power over any good or harm to myself except as Allah wills. If I had knowledge of the unseen, I should have multiplied all good, and no evil could have touched me: I am only a Warner, and a bringer of glad tidings to those who have Faith (in Allah).” (S. V. Ahamed) Surah 72:21: Say, “I possess no power to harm you, nor to guide you.” (Khalifa) “It is not in my power to cause you harm, or to bring you to the Right Path.” (Hilali-Khan) Do you really understand the gravity of Muhammad’s statement when he said, “I possess no power to guide you” or “to bring you to the Right Path”? Is it not a prophet’s duty to guide the congregation of God to the “Right Path”? Can you now depend on this man to guide you to salvation? Would it be wise for you to do so? 2 Likes |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 10:37am On Nov 21, 2014 |
death of muhammad. Sahih Muslim, Book 026, Number 5440: Aisha reported that when Allah’s Messenger fell ill, he recited over his body Mu’awwidhatan and blew over him and when his sickness was aggravated I used to recite over him and rub him with his hand with the hope that it was more blessed. Ibn Sa’d, page 263: Verily during his illness the prophet recited “al- Mu’awwadhatayn” (Surah 113 and 114), and blow his breath upon his body while rubbing his face. (This was done in an effort to be healed). However, Muhammad was not cured from the sickness that led to his death. The incantation of Surah 113 and Surah 114 which supposedly cured him previously from the Jewish magic, failed to heal him now from the Jewish poison. Perhaps for Allah, poison is far more potent than magic. “GABRIEL” PRAYED FOR HIS HEALING Ibn Sa’d, page 265: The apostle of Allah fell ill and he i.e. Gabriel, CHANTED on him, saying, “In the name of Allah I chant on to ward off from you every thing that harms you and (to ward off you) against every envier and from every evil eye and Allah will heal you.” Ibn Sa’d, page 265: Aisha, the wife of the prophet used to say, “When the apostle of Allah fell ill, Gabriel chanted on him saying, ‘In the name of Allah Who will cure you and Who will heal you from every malady and from the smite of the evil eye.’” Let us analyze the prayers of this “Gabriel.” He stated very positively that Allah “will heal” the Prophet. He said, “In the name of Allah Who will cure you and Who will heal you from every malady.” Muhammad had every reason to believe, because it was this very same “Gabriel” who brought the messages of the Qur’an from Allah to him. Yet, the prayers of this spirit were not answered by Allah. So how could this spirit be so sure that Allah “will cure” Muhammad when he actually did not? Can this “Gabriel” be trusted? Can the Qur’an, which was transmitted through this same deceiving spirit, be trusted? If this spirit lied about the outcome of the sickness, could he not have also lied about the divine claim of the Qur’an? Are not these clues as to who this spirit really is? Why did not Allah prevent “Gabriel” from delivering a false promise of hope to Muhammad? If Allah could permit “Gabriel” to make a false statement regarding a matter that concerns the life and death of his Prophet, could he not have also permitted other false messages to be transmitted to Muhammad? Can the other messages delivered by this “Gabriel” be trustworthy? According to Islamic theology, “Gabriel” is the “Holy Spirit” (Ruh Al-Qudus). Can the “Holy Spirit” be wrong about the outcome of Muhammad’s illness? Obviously, at this point in time of his sickness, Muhammad wanted to be healed. But as we can see, nothing worked. He initially prayed fervently to Allah for recovery, but as it progressively got worse, Muhammad realized that he was dying and he ceased praying for a cure. While Muhammad himself admitted that the effects of poison caused his fatal illness and eventual death, there is an interesting incident regarding the apostle Paul that is recorded in the Holy Bible. Paul was bitten by a poisonous snake, but Paul suffered no ill effects from the bite. This was because God had his protective hand on Paul to finish the work laid out for him. Acts 28:1-6: “And when we had made it to safety, then we learned that the island was called Malta. And the foreign-speaking people showed us extraordinary human kindness, for they kindled a fire and received all of us helpfully because of the rain that was falling and because of the cold. As Paul gathered an armful of sticks and was laying them on the fire, a poisonous snake, driven out by the heat, bit him on the hand. When the foreign-speaking people caught sight of the venomous creature hanging from his hand, they began saying to one another: “Surely this man is a murderer, and although he made it to safety from the sea, vindictive justice did not permit him to keep on living.” However, he shook the venomous creature off into the fire and suffered no harm. But they were expecting he was going to swell up with inflammation or suddenly drop dead. After they waited for a long while and beheld nothing hurtful happen to him, they changed their mind and began saying he was a god.” |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 6:28am On Dec 06, 2014 |
malvisguy212: |
Re: The Lying Deity by Nobody: 7:40am On Dec 06, 2014 |
Abuamam: |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 10:43am On Dec 24, 2014 |
malvisguy212: |
Re: The Lying Deity by truthman2012(m): 10:53am On Dec 24, 2014 |
@Mulvisguy I love the op, it is great. I just pray their spiritual eyes be opened to see the truth. |
Re: The Lying Deity by Ifeann(f): 10:57am On Dec 24, 2014 |
malvisguy212: Oh my. This is a damning observation. Yet some ignorant Muslims claim he performed miracles. The one I find the funniest is that he split the moon in half , usually a challenge to Moses splitting the red sea. If he split the moon in half why isn't this astronomical event not recorded by other civilisations at that time. |
Re: The Lying Deity by Nobody: 11:03am On Dec 24, 2014 |
^^^^ Hypocrite....bashing Islam , lol. ![]() Do you believe that snakes and donkeys talk ? You better go and sort out the contradictions in your book first. 5 Likes |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 11:09am On Dec 24, 2014 |
Ifeann:God bless you my sister. |
Re: The Lying Deity by Rilwayne001: 11:09am On Dec 24, 2014 |
^^^ Read one of your old thread where you were defending this snake talking to support your claim of solomon and the ants...dayummm ![]() ![]() Frosbel is gone ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 11:11am On Dec 24, 2014 |
frosbel:so you believe God is incapable of making a donkey and snake talke? |
Re: The Lying Deity by Nobody: 11:12am On Dec 24, 2014 |
malvisguy212: Not at all, but if this is possible why is it not possible to split the moon in half ![]() |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 11:12am On Dec 24, 2014 |
truthman2012:God bless you. |
Re: The Lying Deity by malvisguy212: 11:15am On Dec 24, 2014 |
frosbel:long before that happen (if it true) allah has already stop sending sign. so who empower muhammed to split the moon? Satan or God? Will go change is mind if it him? |
Fringe Illuminati Ebola Egregore / Why Do Christians Celebrate Birthdays? / Conditions That Can Make Me Reconvert To Christianity And Belief In God
(Go Up)
Sections: politics (1) business autos (1) jobs (1) career education (1) romance computers phones travel sports fashion health religion celebs tv-movies music-radio literature webmasters programming techmarket Links: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) Nairaland - Copyright © 2005 - 2024 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See How To Advertise. 121 |