solomonslones:


Lets assume this is the official amount, I wasn't even told about unauthorized & illegal parking, I was just told 20k for the offense.

Isn't that too high for such an offense? whooping 23k, in a state that Is filled with civil servants receiving 18k as minimum wage?

Was the agency setup to generate revenue?

Is this rate commensurate with global prices?

how then do you check extortion, officials are setting folks up, turning a blind eye to ur actions only to pounce on you, knowing fully well that you wouldn't want to pay the "high official amount" (which is yet to be ascertained)

EvilSeeed:



SO you paid bribe twice..


And you are not ashamed to say it..


And tomorrow you will point fingers at our politicians and call them corrupt..

paulavon:

I don't like commenting on this forum because of people like these.For your information I did not pay bribe,I had to beg and they reduced my bill from 23k to 10k.I paid at their office rather than going to the bank.

Hahahahahahahaaaaaa......










Hahahahahahahahaaaaaaa.............................. This is pricelessly stupiid..

Like seriously bro, you need to NEVER comment on this forum again if this is the bullshiit you have to say.

You dey price fine?

#Faints..

colossus2:

It's not funny man.
Sometimes I believe nigerians are happy when the common man is being oppressed.
I for one don't give bribe.
If you stop me on the way and say "oga anything for us?" I would give that officer something for being sincere in asking.
But not when I am right and you try to castigate me.
We should rise above hate for the common man dude.

e be like ....nor be naija u dey,abi ?
Make Oshiomole boys get small chance hold you ....u go explain your "I for one don't give bribe" english.

solomonslones:


Corrected 

When a mason tells you of how he connived with your brother to swindle you of cement, your immediate concern should be how to put your brother in check before dealing with the mason


they are supposed to uphold the law & not victimize or oppress citizens, they are to reject bribes when offered & have them arrested


they are not to set traps for citizens to fall into

if after this you say otherwise, kindly unfollow this thread 

EvilSeeed:



Analogies.... lol

Let me give you a proper one:

A man standing at a junction is arrested by the police for driving without a licence.. He is then fine 5000 Naira and then he begs and pays a bribe of 2000 Naira.. When I meet him, the first question would be WHY DID YOU PAY THEM A DIME?

They are supposed to enforce the law and they did by charging you the official fine of 25'k for illegal parking..

You are also supposed to obey the law by either paying the official fine and obtaining a receipt or challenging the charge and fine by going to court..

If you don't offer bribes, they would receive any bribes.. Thats why it a crime to GIVE and RECEIVE bribes.. So you need to stop acting like a victim cos you are not..

I am not justifying their actions as I actually know that they are easier to deal with, I am only pointing out to you that you committed an even bigger offence of bribing an official..

Infact, illegal parking is a traffic violation is classified as an infraction.. Thats why you are not arrested for it (even by the police) but rather ur vehicle is impounded and you are fined..

Bribery on the other hand is a much bigger offence (a Felony) that is punishable by jail time without the option of a fine..


So you my friend committed a way bigger crime..

stildude:
Now here are some facts about Oshiomole Police or EDSTMA.

1. They remit money to their superiors e.g Governor, Transport Commissioner, etc. So, most likely your complaints will not be attended to cos the boys are on errands carrying out their assignments just like motor part agberos do.

2. Like one poster narrated, they will forcefully hold you even if you haven't committed any offence. Most of the time, you are alone and they are three in number, so no one may believe you. one of them may even swear one one deity or the other that you have committed a traffic offence. Sometimes they will seize your car key so that they can bill you for tow service. when you are more than two, they most likely will not bother you even if you have committed an offence.

3. They are uncontrollable, most of them cultists and APC boys who are raising money for their party agenda.

4. They have offence fine list that is outrageous cos the penalty are way way higher than the offence. for instance, FRSC fine for seat belt violation may be 5k, theirs may be 15k. They bill you at arbitrariry, for one victim tow fine of 3k another 10k. They want you to beg for leniency and opt to pay cash instead of bank by giving you those outrageous bills. like the OP, the total offence should not be less than 8k i.e 3k for tow, 5k for the unauthorized parking. so they first bill you 25k so that making you pay 10k unofficially becomes easy. (why even give him an offence of illegal parking and unauthorized parking at the same time in the first place)

5. Most of them don't have absolutely no knowledge of traffic management and offences, they are there as enforcers and muscle men. I suspect they even get the installers of traffic lights to manipulate the lights functionality to confuse road users, so they can hold you down with one offence or the other. That may be the reason why most of the traffic lights creates disorder and confusion for motorists.

6. some of them have been beaten, stabbed, maimed and even assassinated due to their extortion of the innocents.

7. one day, there will be an uprising against those demons and their leader who they sometimes refer to as the name of a popular cult group in the country.

...so many more, now what are you going to do about it?. you could start by casting your vote against the oppressionist govt.

solomonslones:



I hope you saw where I replied that you "guilty as charged"

now government should do its part

Mr law, the last video that showed a policeman soliciting for bribe, the police was dismissed, did you hear anything about the man that offered the bribe(I'm not in support of bribe)

these folks have a way of frustrating you, you end up coughing out the money?

How was I supposed to know that the 25k was official?

What about that man whose initial charge was 15k(mind you, the paper had been prepared for this amount) & later reduced to 5k(was still asked to go pay this in the bank)

Is there any irregularity here?

Haven't you gone through other post here, aren't you seeing the oppression


In saner countries, when about to park wrongly you are warned rather than allow you park & the. Impounded

Pls tell me, when 3 officials jump into your vehicle, in the name traffic light violation, how do you prove your innocence in their office without traffic light?

It becomes your word against theirs

If there is an effective platform to report them, there will be a change

I'm tired of making my point known to you

EvilSeeed:



[b]I agree with all except Number 1..

The maximum they do is they remit the cash to their station boss.

Thats why I never advocate people fighting with these guys. If you have not committed an offence, when they stop you, explain to them that you agree to have your car impounded if they are sure..

- Take Pictures of your car at the place where it was stopped for Evidence purpose..

- Never drive them to the station in your vehicle. Tell them to get a tow van and tow the vehicle (as it is illegal for them to enter your vehicle). Explain it to them that you intend to sue so if they want charges of criminal trespass to be added, then they had better get out of your car and call a tow van.

- Never Pay monies over the counter to anybody in their office.. ITS ILLEGAL and that money does not go to the state.

- You are correct, These people are clueless about traffic laws.

I was once stopped at an intersection and 4 of them jumped into my car. I immediately truned off my ignition, stowed away all valuables in the glovebox and locked it shut, put my keys safely inside my pocket, put on my phones camera and started recording.. First Questions:: WHo are you, why are you trespassing on my property and whats my offence. They said I jumped a Zebra crossing.. I started laughing. I just said No problem, please get out of my car and call a towing Van as it is illegal for you to be inside my car without my permission. I then came down and walked backwards for a few meters videoing and asked him to show me a Zebra Crossing on the road.. The rest of his colleagues sensing trouble all walked away. The guy also later walked away muttering something under his breath..

I refused to be intimidated.. And if I am wrong, I know I am wrong and I pay the fine or try to talk my way out of it. But ask for Bribe!! I dont give nobody any!

- Always DEMAND to see the fine list.. Its a right not a privilegde..

[/b]

solomonslones:


he directed me to another woman to attend to me, she charged me N25,000, stating that 20,000 was for my offense & 5,000 was for the tow truck.

Long story short ended up paying N10,000. When I asked for receipt they handed the money back to me & asked that I go pay the 25,000, then I'll have a receipt. I paid the N10,000 & drove off



2. The public should be informed of the official fines to be paid so that when arrested, you will not be ripped off

3.A platform should be created for the public to report erring officials of EDSTMA

solomonslones:


It appears you are using the lenses of the. Western countries you have stayed in to speak here especially with regards to the court system

that why I have sought to know the bill empowering them, i haven't found it

I need to know what what the law empowers then to do & what they aren't allowed to do

You mentioned video recording, what if they had pounced on you or hit the camera thereby destroying it(I'm not a man of violence) what would you have done

I have written on the edo state government Facebook page, I have written to opendata(it's an edo state government ICT platform) seeking to know the bill empowering them, publish the official fine list & the platform to report erring officials

I'm not playing the victim card here

Knock what out of whose hands?!

You think say dem no dey fear?! Infact, I wish they would.. That would even make me richer..

Lekwa something!!


Why not go to Court?!

Its like you are having appendicitis and rather than go to the hospital, you are praying inside your room.

Nwokem.. This matter is gone. Next time, dont give bribes.

Projectors:
All the transport management agencies in Nigeria are just there to extort money the populace. The same incidence happened to me on Monday this week just at Medical road in Ikeja. The driver parked th car just to drop items in car before we know it LASTMA had come to tow the car to their office with the driver inside.

Most of the Lastma officials are nothing but Tout (Agbero), their mouth smelling of dry gin (ogogoro) early in the morning. I coughed out 18, 000 without receipt and I was told if they book it I will pay 60, 000.

The towing vehicle they used had a label for breakdown and recovery vehicle, that means instead of using it for breakdown vehicles , they are now using it for illegal deals.

I have said it, its of no use to create an agency without proper monitoring, they are know how to blast FG for their own agencies why there own is not attended to.

LASTMA should have a working website, a radio or TV program where people can call in or report erring officer and designated and functional phone numbers.

[size=16pt]90 % of the offences they charge people for are unintentional and they take advantage of innocent people.[/size]

Gov Fashola cannot be everywhere but the Oga's in these agencies should make things work. This year alone I have spent close to 50, 000 to all these agencies.

Whenever I want to go out, I always take extra care not to enter these people wahala. The suppose to be helper on the road but they are terrorist on our roads.

God help us in Nigeria, God help us in lagos state oooooooo.

stonecoldcafe:
d correct fee was 25000 but of course u choose 2pay 10k dts y u didn't get d recepit (not judging u tho) EDHA u sld get a copy of d law for a small fee.

solomonslones:


How do you know 25k is the official fee? Haven't u read other post here that quoted 23k?

i don't get you, do you mean I should go to Edo state house of assembly(EDHA)to get the bill?

You are entitled to do so...


The Freedom of Information act even makes it a Constitutional right.

Projectors:


LASTMA should have a working website, a radio or TV program where people can call in or report erring officers and designated & functional phone numbers.

doroboss:


As a sharp man b4 you park your car in an unknow place, ask people arround simple quaestion (dem de park here?)

EvilSeeed:



You are entitled to do so...


The Freedom of Information act even makes it a Constitutional right.

EvilSeeed:



[b]Points I noted..

1. O.P parked illegally and got his car towed..

2. O.P paid a Bribe and demanded a reciept for the bribe as if it was a constitutional right..

3. O.P willing participated in the crime of Bribery.

O.P's complaints addressed..

1. O.P thinks the fact that they towed his car and left the other 'police' tagged vehicle equals 'selective Justice'.. What he does not realise is that No illegality was perpertuated.. The officials resevre the right to tow any veihicle at their discretion according to available logistics. Meaning; They had only one towing Van, so they towed only 1 vehicle which just happens to belong to the OP.

2. The Deflated tyres are a part of the standard operations procedure.

3. If you were not shown the fine chart, why then did you pay?! You reserve the right to contest every fine in Court, but O.P rather paid a bribe.




FINALLY:: OP is part of the rot in our society.. You commited an offence, got your car impounded, was told the official fine that he would have paid to a bank and helped the internal revenue of the state and yet opted to pay a bribe.. Then turns around to call on Oshomole to play the victim..

Shey if I slap you now people go say EDSTMA officials are heartless. [/b]

PrinceMario:
Oga keep shut and stop spewing trash here. is this not Nigeria where the common man is been oppressed. the Op is simply explaining the rot in Edo state you here defending those hungry mofos. must a car tires be deflated before been towed,did u took note of their response when the op told them there is no "No parking sign" at that spot and they replied with "every body knows". I stay in Lagos,should I know every spot where not to park a car in Edo state,even without a sign? This is pure extortion. why should their vulcanizer charge another #400 after the Op has paid the charge amount? where they not trying to extort visitors with a police man parking his personal car there and gives no sign that civilians are not to do the same? Think as a leader of tomorrow and not like those oppressing you. Sanity must return back to this country called Nigeria.

EvilSeeed:


Is that so?!



O well!! Thats your opinion and I can live with that... But my Post stands.. The OP is culpable for paying a bribe and should be in jail. Same for those who accepted the bribe.

EvilSeeed:



SO you paid bribe twice..


And you are not ashamed to say it..


And tomorrow you will point fingers at our politicians and call them corrupt..

EvilSeeed:



Says who?


A lady I know of was wrongfully harrassed by LASTMA officials in Lagos.. She simple alight from the Vehicle, brought out her Camera and started firing off Photographs. The LASTMA officials didnt understand what she was doing.. Then at some point, they literally overpowered her and forcibly removed her keys from her and drove off with her inside to their office..


Long Story short.. She sued them to Court and won about 15Million Naira in Punitive damages..


Meaning:: Evil only thirves when good men fail to act right.. The day we all decide to stop giving bribes is the day these officials would stop recieving bribes.. But the moment people are still willing to pay, then these guys would keep pushing their luck.

deletrue:
why are you so uncultured. Do you know that you are a barbarian?

EvilSeeed:


Same Nigeria where Baba Suwe got a 20 million naira settlement from the NDLEA?

Same Nigeria where the lady who was beaten up in public by Naval officers won a huge settlement in Court?

Same Nigeria where a woman won 15 Million Naira in punitive damages against LASTMA?

And know this.. If you meet a good young hungry lawyer with a good case, most of them would take it on for free and only get paid after settlement. #FACT!

EvilSeeed:


Same Nigeria where Baba Suwe got a 20 million naira settlement from the NDLEA?

Same Nigeria where the lady who was beaten up in public by Naval officers won a huge settlement in Court?

Same Nigeria where a woman won 15 Million Naira in punitive damages against LASTMA?

colossus2:

All these out of how many million cases?
What was the time frame? Or do you think if one is travelling he would have the whole time in the world for this?

Supposing you are based in Lagos, you are to travel to onitsha and come back the following day to carry on with what puts food on your table, only for EDSTMA to harass you the moment you get into Benin.

How many cases have you taken to court and how many million were you paid in the end.

Don't you think you can as well be an activist and help the masses.
It's easy to act online than in real life.

Lol...

You guys obviously need no new excuse to keep paying bribes, so keep on..

And just so you know, I am not just talking cos we are online. I was raised by a family of lawyers and was mostly in court or chambers so from an early age, I have been conversant with the law and how it protects my rights. Try taking on the police like I did after a female officer smashed my windscreen, impounded my car and arrested me. When she found herself behind the counter inside state C.I.D rivers state writing a statement, that was when she understood why I was so calm when she was acting wild and slapping me on the road..

If you understand your rights and have the patience to follow through, the Nigerian system works.

I have been trying to tell the OP what he did was wrong and he has been busy blaming everything else but himself who allowed common uniformed touts extort 10 thousand naira from him. If you all are willing to pay bribes even when you know you are being extorted, then you have no rights to complain about it.

If you feel exploited take action. Don't wait for an activist..