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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 7:31am On Nov 07, 2014
vooks:

And I have little to zero patience for blabber. Can't help it am sorry. Hope you will understand wink
grin grin Why are you angry? GOOSY GOOSY GANDER.
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 7:33am On Nov 07, 2014
vooks:

And I have little to zero patience for blabber. Can't help it am sorry. Hope you will understand wink
It might do you good to quit using an english dico to define what intercession means in a loose and general term and use a bible study tool for the Romans 8:26 debacle. Don't mislead gullible folks here
. cool
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 7:35am On Nov 07, 2014
Am very sleepy that's why
Bidam:
grin grin Why are you angry? GOOSY GOOSY GANDER.
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 7:36am On Nov 07, 2014
Bidam:
grin grin Why are you angry? GOOSY GOOSY GANDER.

Heheheheheh

Good to be back though

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 7:40am On Nov 07, 2014
Bidam:
Did you consult your study tool? I am not mbaemeka, everyone has a unique style of driving home his points. I Like making a public display before destroying puffed up imaginations and ideas of men. wink

I like making the person bring me a nail and a hammer, then I nail them on the cross they brought! And watch them protest and scream on the cross they brought. wink

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 7:58am On Nov 07, 2014
Gombs:


Heheheheheh

Good to be back though
Good to see you bro.. where have you been?
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 7:59am On Nov 07, 2014
Gombs:


I like making the person bring me a nail and a hammer, then I nail them on the cross they brought! And watch them protest and scream on the cross they brought. wink
grin grin grin
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 8:07am On Nov 07, 2014
vooks:
Am very sleepy that's why
Ok, lemme help you small.in-ter-sesh'-un (pagha`, "to make intercession"; originally "to strike upon," or "against"; then in a good sense, "to assail anyone with petitions," "to urge," and when on behalf of another, The meaning as used in the Romans 8:26 is that the Holy Spirit urges Christians to pray and not that He intercedes for them as you erroneously assume.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 9:10am On Nov 07, 2014
Gombs:


I like making the person bring me a nail and a hammer, then I nail them on the cross they brought! And watch them protest and scream on the cross they brought. wink
You guys are not only CLOWNS but equally sadists.

If you were in the dark ages you'll most probably be physically beheading Christian brethren who have opposing views to yours.

One word vooks used in his posts describe you all - DISHONEST. Remember 2 Timothy 3?
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 9:38am On Nov 07, 2014
trustman:

You guys are not only CLOWNS but equally sadists.

If you were in the dark ages you'll most probably be physically beheading Christian brethren who have opposing views to yours.

One word vooks used in his posts describe you all - DISHONEST. Remember 2 Timothy 3?
grin grin Take am easy trustwoman, you take things too seriously like women. As a mentee, you should wait for your mentor to wake up and answer all his mentions.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 9:59am On Nov 07, 2014
mbaemeka:

As per what the Holy Spirit said to me I can stand by. My statement "even if he didn't say" was my way of saying I already had the witness to that fact from the word before the author of the word spoke and your position on a lot of things especially the person of the Holy Spirit is all the proof any one needs. You called the gift of tongues a mystic practice. That says it all.

mbaemeka,

I am still waiting for you to show me and the world where I "called the gift of tongues a mystic practice". You have made this statement with a purported message from a spirit. The bible says "prove all things; hold fast to what is good" in the very passage of scripture that says we should "despise not prophesy" or "quench not the Spirit" 1Thess 5.

The only way to prove that the spirit that spoke to you is not a lying spirit is for you to locate for everyone on this forum where I called the gift of tongues a mystic practice, or even where I insinuated such (I am widening the gap for you to make it easy for you). If you cannot do this, I call you and the spirit talking to you liars.

If however you cannot answer, I have one question for you and the spirit talking to you which everyone on this forum has liberty to answer.
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:07am On Nov 07, 2014
Bidam:
Good to see you bro.. where have you been?

Work o, plus planning for IPPC journey on the 17th! How have you been? I missed 2 pages o!

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:16am On Nov 07, 2014
trustman:

You guys are not only CLOWNS but equally sadists.

If you were in the dark ages you'll most probably be physically beheading Christian brethren who have opposing views to yours.

One word vooks used in his posts describe you all - DISHONEST. Remember 2 Timothy 3?

Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:24am On Nov 07, 2014
Bidam:
grin grin Take am easy trustwoman, you take things too seriously like women. As a mentee, you should wait for your mentor to wake up and answer all his mentions.


i tire for the brother o

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 10:26am On Nov 07, 2014
So Holy Spirit URGES FOR Bidam to pray? I thought I said no pidgin negro!

http://biblehub.com/topical/i/intercession.htm

Read that verse slowly without referring to your foundation class BS

Romans 8:26- 27 (ESV)
26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.
27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

Bidam:
Ok, lemme help you small.in-ter-sesh'-un (pagha`, "to make intercession"; originally "to strike upon," or "against"; then in a good sense, "to assail anyone with petitions," "to urge," and when on behalf of another, The meaning as used in the Romans 8:26 is that the Holy Spirit urges Christians to pray and not that He intercedes for them as you erroneously assume.
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 10:31am On Nov 07, 2014
that is a sexist statement...'like women', like your mother?

Bidam:
grin grin Take am easy trustwoman, you take things too seriously like women. As a mentee, you should wait for your mentor to wake up and answer all his mentions.
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 10:36am On Nov 07, 2014
vooks:
So Holy Spirit URGES FOR Bidam to pray? I thought I said no pidgin negro!

http://biblehub.com/topical/i/intercession.htm

Read that verse slowly without referring to your foundation class BS

Romans 8:26- 27 (ESV)
26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.
27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

the holyspirit guides us to pray according to the will of God. He give us utterances. He helps us when we are weak in the flesh. He urge us on in prayer.
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 10:39am On Nov 07, 2014
Ukutsgp:
the holyspirit guides us to pray according to the will of God. He give us utterances. He helps us when we are weak in the flesh. He urge us on in prayer.

Did you read all of this from Romans 8:26?
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 10:42am On Nov 07, 2014
shdemidemi:


Did you read all of this from Romans 8:26?
why nt?
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 10:46am On Nov 07, 2014
Ukutsgp:
why nt?

What do you mean by why not bro?

Be more lucid so I don't assume anything. Did Romans 8:16 say
the holyspirit guides us to pray according to the will of God. He give us utterances. He helps us when we are weak in the flesh. He urge us on in prayer.
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 10:56am On Nov 07, 2014
What the holyspirit does for the saint is to give them the enablement, the ability to pray as they ought to. He helps them even when they are too weak to pray or lack utterances. The holyspirit is not the one doing the groaning, we are the one doing it in the place of prayer as the spirit gives us the ability. That is the intercession the holyspirit is doing for the saints.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 11:03am On Nov 07, 2014
shdemidemi:


What do you mean by why not bro?

Be more lucid so I don't assume anything. Did Romans 8:16 say
i think u meant Roman 8:26 which i have explained.
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 11:18am On Nov 07, 2014
Ukutsgp:
i think u meant Roman 8:26 which i have explained.

Thanks for the correction. Where exactly did the bible say all you have said?

26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: [size=20pt]but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.[/size]

If your reference to all you inferred is from the portion, please explain what it means to groan?

Explain what it means to intercede?
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 11:27am On Nov 07, 2014
shdemidemi:


Did you read all of this from Romans 8:26?

i should ask you that

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 11:45am On Nov 07, 2014
Gombs:


i should ask you that

ask me what? speak if you have something to say.
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 12:10pm On Nov 07, 2014
shdemidemi:


Thanks for the correction. Where exactly did the bible say all you have said?

26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: [size=20pt]but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.[/size]

If your reference to all you inferred is from the portion, please explain what it means to groan?

Explain what it means to intercede?
groaning means making low inarticulate sound.

Intercession in this context means to give enablement, ability to do something. Help.
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 12:26pm On Nov 07, 2014
Ukutsgp:
groaning means making low inarticulate sound.

Are you sure that is the complete definition of the word?
Ukutsgp:

Intercession in this context means to give enablement, ability to do something. Help.

where did you get this definition from, if I may ask?
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 12:49pm On Nov 07, 2014
vooks:
And you are deliberately muddying your ignorance when called out.
Christ blood was shed for everyone and in that sense he is a mediator between man and God. Having done that and. Moving into Heaven, there is NEW role He plays, interceding for us believers. If you want to understand what he is interceding for, look at the one intercession prayer he made in John 17.

The absurdity of claiming that Jesus is not in heaven mediating but his blood is is a testament to indoctrination. I can pick an Oyaks tape and you bet it will be there.

You want to demonstrate your arrogant ignorance by telling us exactly how his blood is in heaven is mediating in heaven for sinners or how his blood got there and where it is stored not to mention what anti-coagulants it has


My problem with you is that you do not study before posting any verse. And after you have done so, you keep applying underhand tactics to force others to teach you but at the end of the day, you offer no gratitude or obeisance.

You claimed Jesus blood does not speak but that he himself is doing the interceding. I showed you a clear verse saying his blood speaks and then you accuse me of muddying ignorance when it is obvious who the ignorant one is.

I from the beginning showed you how that Christ's role as an intercessor is not the same as the Holy Spirit's role. Christ is an advocate for the WHOLE WORLD (christians and unbelievers) but the Holy Spirit is an advocate for ONLY believers. You insist they are the same but you can not show just one verse to prove it- not one. Instead you misquote John 17 and tell me that was Christ's role as an intercessor yet the same inconsistent you, claimed the role you are referring to is a new one that he took on after his ascension in HEAVEN. Now kindly tell us whether Christ had even died by John 17 and if you cannot tell us that, we can conclude again that you spoke under the same infantile impulse that we have been warning you about.

Please take your time to read John 16:26-27 and take note of the phrase "in that day". You would understand what I have been saying from the bible which is:

1. Christ's role as a mediator, propitiation, advocate and intercessor is for the whole world (sinners and saints) and his presence in heaven is the proof of his role. For sinners he saves them when they come to him and for saints he keeps them saved as they abide in him.

2. The Holy Spirit's role as an intercessor, advocate etc is different because he is a gift to the believers alone. But he lives inside the believers so that is where he works from, using their own hands and mouths and bodies in general to fulfil God's will for them.

In a nutshell, Jesus is for the whole world and when we accept him he gives us the gift i.e the Holy Spirit to live in us.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 12:49pm On Nov 07, 2014
shdemidemi:


ask me what? speak if you have something to say.


What exactly is your problem in the verse?
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 12:52pm On Nov 07, 2014
Gombs:



What exactly is your problem in the verse?

Did I report any problem to you?
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 12:56pm On Nov 07, 2014
vooks:

You need to man up and state your position like mbaemeka, I will toy with him till rapture but he knows his beliefs however wrong they are. I wish I could say the same for you.

Intercession is doing something on behalf of somebody. How do your prayers become Holy Spirit interceding for you?

The Holy Spirit does it through our own groans I.e with our own voices. The same way he uses our own hands to heal people or aid them financially. We are his outstretched arms and mouths. He speaks through us. That's why he could groan through Paul and other believers during their prayers and Paul said such groans are always in sync with the will of God.

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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 1:00pm On Nov 07, 2014
shdemidemi:


Are you sure that is the complete definition of the word?


where did you get this definition from, if I may ask?
these questions are uncalled for. I have given u an explanation of the verse of scripture. So why the many questions? If you have any problem with my explanation, state it. I have told you what the intercession stands for and the definition of groaning.

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