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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 7:31am On Nov 07, 2014 |
vooks:Why are you angry? GOOSY GOOSY GANDER. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 7:33am On Nov 07, 2014 |
vooks: It might do you good to quit using an english dico to define what intercession means in a loose and general term and use a bible study tool for the Romans 8:26 debacle. Don't mislead gullible folks here. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 7:35am On Nov 07, 2014 |
Am very sleepy that's why Bidam: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 7:36am On Nov 07, 2014 |
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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 7:40am On Nov 07, 2014 |
Bidam: I like making the person bring me a nail and a hammer, then I nail them on the cross they brought! And watch them protest and scream on the cross they brought. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 7:58am On Nov 07, 2014 |
Gombs:Good to see you bro.. where have you been? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 7:59am On Nov 07, 2014 |
Gombs: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 8:07am On Nov 07, 2014 |
vooks:Ok, lemme help you small.in-ter-sesh'-un (pagha`, "to make intercession"; originally "to strike upon," or "against"; then in a good sense, "to assail anyone with petitions," "to urge," and when on behalf of another, The meaning as used in the Romans 8:26 is that the Holy Spirit urges Christians to pray and not that He intercedes for them as you erroneously assume. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 9:10am On Nov 07, 2014 |
Gombs:You guys are not only CLOWNS but equally sadists. If you were in the dark ages you'll most probably be physically beheading Christian brethren who have opposing views to yours. One word vooks used in his posts describe you all - DISHONEST. Remember 2 Timothy 3? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 9:38am On Nov 07, 2014 |
trustman:Take am easy trustwoman, you take things too seriously like women. As a mentee, you should wait for your mentor to wake up and answer all his mentions. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 9:59am On Nov 07, 2014 |
mbaemeka: mbaemeka, I am still waiting for you to show me and the world where I "called the gift of tongues a mystic practice". You have made this statement with a purported message from a spirit. The bible says "prove all things; hold fast to what is good" in the very passage of scripture that says we should "despise not prophesy" or "quench not the Spirit" 1Thess 5. The only way to prove that the spirit that spoke to you is not a lying spirit is for you to locate for everyone on this forum where I called the gift of tongues a mystic practice, or even where I insinuated such (I am widening the gap for you to make it easy for you). If you cannot do this, I call you and the spirit talking to you liars. If however you cannot answer, I have one question for you and the spirit talking to you which everyone on this forum has liberty to answer. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:07am On Nov 07, 2014 |
Bidam: Work o, plus planning for IPPC journey on the 17th! How have you been? I missed 2 pages o! 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:16am On Nov 07, 2014 |
trustman: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:24am On Nov 07, 2014 |
Bidam: i tire for the brother o 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 10:26am On Nov 07, 2014 |
So Holy Spirit URGES FOR Bidam to pray? I thought I said no pidgin negro! http://biblehub.com/topical/i/intercession.htm Read that verse slowly without referring to your foundation class BS Romans 8:26- 27 (ESV) 26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. Bidam: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 10:31am On Nov 07, 2014 |
that is a sexist statement...'like women', like your mother? Bidam: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 10:36am On Nov 07, 2014 |
vooks:the holyspirit guides us to pray according to the will of God. He give us utterances. He helps us when we are weak in the flesh. He urge us on in prayer. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 10:39am On Nov 07, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: Did you read all of this from Romans 8:26? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 10:42am On Nov 07, 2014 |
shdemidemi:why nt? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 10:46am On Nov 07, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: What do you mean by why not bro? Be more lucid so I don't assume anything. Did Romans 8:16 say the holyspirit guides us to pray according to the will of God. He give us utterances. He helps us when we are weak in the flesh. He urge us on in prayer. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 10:56am On Nov 07, 2014 |
What the holyspirit does for the saint is to give them the enablement, the ability to pray as they ought to. He helps them even when they are too weak to pray or lack utterances. The holyspirit is not the one doing the groaning, we are the one doing it in the place of prayer as the spirit gives us the ability. That is the intercession the holyspirit is doing for the saints. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 11:03am On Nov 07, 2014 |
shdemidemi:i think u meant Roman 8:26 which i have explained. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 11:18am On Nov 07, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: Thanks for the correction. Where exactly did the bible say all you have said? 26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: [size=20pt]but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.[/size] If your reference to all you inferred is from the portion, please explain what it means to groan? Explain what it means to intercede? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 11:27am On Nov 07, 2014 |
shdemidemi: i should ask you that 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 11:45am On Nov 07, 2014 |
Gombs: ask me what? speak if you have something to say. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 12:10pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
shdemidemi:groaning means making low inarticulate sound. Intercession in this context means to give enablement, ability to do something. Help. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 12:26pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 12:49pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
vooks: My problem with you is that you do not study before posting any verse. And after you have done so, you keep applying underhand tactics to force others to teach you but at the end of the day, you offer no gratitude or obeisance. You claimed Jesus blood does not speak but that he himself is doing the interceding. I showed you a clear verse saying his blood speaks and then you accuse me of muddying ignorance when it is obvious who the ignorant one is. I from the beginning showed you how that Christ's role as an intercessor is not the same as the Holy Spirit's role. Christ is an advocate for the WHOLE WORLD (christians and unbelievers) but the Holy Spirit is an advocate for ONLY believers. You insist they are the same but you can not show just one verse to prove it- not one. Instead you misquote John 17 and tell me that was Christ's role as an intercessor yet the same inconsistent you, claimed the role you are referring to is a new one that he took on after his ascension in HEAVEN. Now kindly tell us whether Christ had even died by John 17 and if you cannot tell us that, we can conclude again that you spoke under the same infantile impulse that we have been warning you about. Please take your time to read John 16:26-27 and take note of the phrase "in that day". You would understand what I have been saying from the bible which is: 1. Christ's role as a mediator, propitiation, advocate and intercessor is for the whole world (sinners and saints) and his presence in heaven is the proof of his role. For sinners he saves them when they come to him and for saints he keeps them saved as they abide in him. 2. The Holy Spirit's role as an intercessor, advocate etc is different because he is a gift to the believers alone. But he lives inside the believers so that is where he works from, using their own hands and mouths and bodies in general to fulfil God's will for them. In a nutshell, Jesus is for the whole world and when we accept him he gives us the gift i.e the Holy Spirit to live in us. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 12:49pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
shdemidemi: What exactly is your problem in the verse? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 12:52pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Gombs: Did I report any problem to you? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 12:56pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
vooks: The Holy Spirit does it through our own groans I.e with our own voices. The same way he uses our own hands to heal people or aid them financially. We are his outstretched arms and mouths. He speaks through us. That's why he could groan through Paul and other believers during their prayers and Paul said such groans are always in sync with the will of God. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 1:00pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
shdemidemi:these questions are uncalled for. I have given u an explanation of the verse of scripture. So why the many questions? If you have any problem with my explanation, state it. I have told you what the intercession stands for and the definition of groaning. |
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