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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 1:01pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
"And in my lady's chamber. There I met an old man Who wouldn't say his prayers, So I took him by his left leg And threw him down the stairs." choi, no no no. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 1:07pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Gombs:That 's good bro, you no see how we dey give this naysayers assignment in scriptures. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 1:12pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
WinsomeX, From basic mysticism, do you hear voices from spirits? I believe that is your quote on the 2nd page of your thread. Now feel free to explain to us the line of your reasoning. 1. FROM BASIC MYSTICISM, do you speak in tongues? This can be rearranged to mean that speaking in tongues comes from basic mysticism. QED Secondly, I didn't say the Holy Spirit told me you said that. Please don't let your poor comprehension ability to betray you. I said the Holy Spirit told me you have NO fellowship with him and I stand by my claim. Then I said, I didn't even need him to tell me that before I knew. Your own posts have shown it over time. One of such posts is the above where you insinuate that speaking in tongues is mystic. Do you understand so far? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 1:13pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
vooks: ![]() ![]() The Amplified version of First Corinthians 14:14 shows us more clearly our relationship with the Holy Spirit in prayer: "For if I pray in an [unknown] tongue, my spirit [by the Holy Spirit within me] prays ...." Again, when you pray in tongues, it is your spirit by the Holy Spirit within you praying. The Holy Spirit within gives you the utterance, and you speak it out of your spirit. You do the talking—He gives the utterance. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 1:13pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: Its called defending your words, if what you say can't stand scrutiny, it means they are wrong and if they are wrong you must debunk them. I noticed you did not give the full definition of groan and you also gave a definition of 'intercession' used in Rom 8:26 without reference. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 1:16pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
vooks:You can see no one liked your insult. And i wonder who the kid is here that he was crying wolf about. ![]() |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 1:20pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Ukutsgp:God bless you bro, atleast me and you na pally pally for this one apart from tithes. ![]() |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 1:26pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 1:31pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
You don't respect women. That's fatal primitivity Bidam: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 1:32pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Paraphrase translations are a refuge for the shallow believers who can't support their arguments Bidam: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 1:34pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
vooks: ![]() |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 1:35pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
vooks:Am used to your folly. Did my post imply i do not respect your mother? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 1:37pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Blood speaking is symbolic sir. That's why it speaks BETTER things than that of Abel. Is Abel blood talking? What did it tell you last night? Blood of Jesus speaking in that verse is as literal as Abel's. Again I won't compete with you in hallucinations. In three clear verses, Jesus role as an intercession in heaven is well presented. Paul wondered who bewitched Galatians before whom Christ was evidently set forth as crucified. You have a Galatians spiritual IQ mbaemeka: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 1:39pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Who said these groans are ours? mbaemeka: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 1:40pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
shdemidemi:that is the shortest definition of groaning. I wonder what u want again, u can give me your definition. Intercession in that context means, enablement, ability to do something. Help, like i said. If it is dictionary definition u are looking for, i will say 'sorry', cos i will nt do that. We must not try to explain God's word with human knowledge. We must follow the leading of the holyspirit. Human logic will fail. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 1:44pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
You don't tell a man that he is behaving like a woman. That's insulting to women. It means he is misbehaving and women misbehave. So which women was trustman behaving like? Your wife or mother? Think about your closest female relations before parading your Neanderthal testosterone ![]() Bidam: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 1:45pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Bidam:so, u are still battling with the tithe scam? Good for you. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 1:46pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
How many verses do I need to prove that Jesus wept? One John 11:35 sufficeth. Or how many instances of the miracle of turning water into wine do you need before you believe it? ![]() Bidam: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 1:49pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Bidam:the holyspirit dnt pray for people, it only empowers them to pray. He helps them to pray nt the holyspirit doing the praying for them. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 1:51pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: My friend, quit the dishonesty. What is the point, really. The source of your incomplete definition of groan came from the english dictionary. groan ɡrəʊn/ verb 1. make a deep inarticulate sound conveying pain, despair, pleasure, etc. Why you omitted the 'conveying pain' is beyond me. Ukutsgp: No, don't give the dictionary meaning. Give the original greek meaning and how it was used in that verse. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 1:52pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
vooks:You can see how shallow you are in your indefensible errors, you quoted a link without going through the whole content to understand how the Holy Spirit intercedes for the saints. This is from the said link you gave us. "The Holy Spirit works upon our minds and hearts, enlightening and quickening, and thus determining our desires 'according to the will of God,' as our advocate within us".. Against the error of your statements that the Holy Spirit functions outside believers during intercession. in-ter-sesh'-un (pagha`, "to make intercession"; originally "to strike upon," or "against"; then in a good sense, "to assail anyone with petitions," "to urge," and when on behalf of another, "to intercede" (Ruth 1:16 Jeremiah 7:16; Jeremiah 27:18 Job 21:15 Genesis 23:8 Isaiah 53:12 Jeremiah 36:25). A similar idea is found in enteuxis, used as "petition," and in the New Testament "intercession." The English word is derived from Latin intercedo, "to come between," which strangely has the somewhat opposed meanings of "obstruct" and "to interpose on behalf of" a person, and finally "to intercede." The growth of meaning in this word in the various languages is highly suggestive. In the Greek New Testament we find the word in 1 Timothy 2:1; 1 Timothy 4:5; entugchano, is also found in Romans 8:26-34): 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 1:53pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: Where did you find this again? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 1:57pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Bidam: How do you have eyes and yet not see? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 1:58pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
vooks: The bible clearly says so. Remember the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. He already knows God's will and thoughts but the Human being praying doesn't. So the Holy Spirit uses the human to pray (with the humans voice) because the human doesn't know how to pray as he OUGHT to. Not that he doesn't know how to pray at all. Now Paul has told us that that prayer could be in articulate speech for e.g, tongues. And now in this verse he has shown that it could be inarticulate like groans (or even laughter) emphasis mine. All that matters is that whatever sounds are heard, they would always be interpreted to the will of God. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 2:00pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
shdemidemi: Nobody is debating WHAT he does. We are asking you HOW he does it and WHERE he does it from. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 2:01pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
vooks:My attempts at sarcasm is also lost on you, my bad. You should give room for your mentee to stand for him/herself. Do i even know whether the said monicker is female? I might have guessed right you know. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 2:05pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Thank you mbaemeka, Tongues I fully understand, but they are never called Spirit intercession; they are and are clearly depicted as OUR prayers. But here we have a verse where Holy Spirit is not once but twice said to be groaning for us. That's why I said if you are open minded or unbiased, you are least likely to conclude that Spirit intercession is praying in tongues. Just saying mbaemeka: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 2:05pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
shdemidemi:Did you read everything or you just want to pick a word and run heretically with it as you do the scriptures. How does the Holy Spirit do it, outside or inside believers? ![]() 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 2:06pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
No problem bro, but sexist jokes and sarcasm are not cool Bidam: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 2:07pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
vooks: Truly the natural man cannot understand the things of the spirit. God told Cain that his brother's blood was speaking to him. It is God who hears these sounds- not natural men. The blood of Abel kept asking for vengeance. Now Jesus' blood is better because it is asking for Mercy. Jesus blood is in heaven as the evidence that men can be saved and that saved men should remain saved. That's how he is interceding. The Bible says he has appeared before God ONCE. He doesn't appear every time neither does he beg God for us. That's an insult. Jesus intercedes by his presence and his blood I.e when Satan wants to accuse a christian, Jesus presence and blood shows that Satan has no case. And when Satan wants to claim a sinner cannot be saved, Jesus presence and blood shows satan equally has no case. That's how he intercedes, mediates, advocates for ALL OF US who have come and who will come to him. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 2:09pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
vooks: He is groaning for us- we agree. What we asked is where is he groaning from and how? The very scriptures say he does it with our 'joint help'. He gives us what to say and we say it. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 2:10pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Bidam: The same way Jesus does it. Why do you think the Holy Spirit need me to speak before intercession takes place? |
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