vooks:
How many verses do I need to prove that Jesus wept? One John 11:35 sufficeth. Or how many instances of the miracle of turning water into wine do you need before you believe it?

Try again. Jesus of NAZARETH is NOT the Holy Spirit.

shdemidemi:


The same way Jesus does it. Why do you think the Holy Spirit need me to speak before intercession takes place?

Jesus is in HEAVEN doing it for those who will come to him and those who have. But the Holy Spirit is in us on earth and he uses us to do the interceding for ourselves. Just like he uses us to heal, feed, clothe people etc.

shdemidemi:


The same way Jesus does it. Why do you think the Holy Spirit need me to speak before intercession takes place?

The Jesus you are talking about already has a role he plays in heaven. He is not on earth with believers NOW. Try again.

mbaemeka:


He is groaning for us- we agree. What we asked is where is he groaning from and how? The very scriptures say he does it with our 'joint help'. He gives us what to say and we say it.

You are back with this joint help palaver today.

Can 'help' also mean 'help in bearing, help in general'?

What does it mean to groan?

vooks:

No problem bro, but sexist jokes and sarcasm are not cool

Ok, you should also do well do take your advice too, calling peeps names like goD's ain't cool either, it's an insult to your creator.

shdemidemi:


You are back with this joint help palaver today.

Can 'help' also mean 'help in bearing, help in general'?

What does it mean to groan?

The word for help in greek as used there means we are working together with him and not that he is doing it for us while we stand and watch.

Groan means to make unutterable sounds I.e they are inarticulate and cannot be expressed in words or fine speech.

shdemidemi:


My friend, quit the dishonesty. What is the point, really. The source of your incomplete definition of groan came from the english dictionary.

groan
ɡrəʊn/
verb
1.
make a deep inarticulate sound conveying pain, despair, pleasure, etc.

Why you omitted the 'conveying pain' is beyond me.



No, don't give the dictionary meaning. Give the original greek meaning and how it was used in that verse.

so if i omit that, what is the point u are driving at?

U can give me the greek meaning and how it was used.

Bidam:
The Jesus you are talking about already has a role he plays in heaven. He is not on earth with believers NOW. Try again.

You amaze me sometimes, who is the Spirit?

Ukutsgp:
so if i omit that, what is the point u are driving at?

U can give me the greek meaning and how it was used.

Forget it, you are not being sincere. I don't understand the reason for the dissimulation.

My heart bleeds. It was an analogy. You don't need multiple scriptures to construct a doctrine if one verse is as clear as daylight

Bidam:
Try again. Jesus of NAZARETH is NOT the Holy Spirit.

shdemidemi:


Where did you find this again?

do u think the holyspirit do the praying for believers? Is that what u are saying?

Them advise them against fantasizing and hallucinating of being members of the Godhead. If a negro calls himself goD, what can I do?

Bidam:
Ok, you should also do well do take your advice too, calling peeps names like goD's ain't cool either, it's an insult to your creator.

mbaemeka:


The bible clearly says so. Remember the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. He already knows God's will and thoughts but the Human being praying doesn't. So the Holy Spirit uses the human to pray (with the humans voice) because the human doesn't know how to pray as he OUGHT to. Not that he doesn't know how to pray at all.

Now Paul has told us that that prayer could be in articulate speech for e.g, tongues. And now in this verse he has shown that it could be inarticulate like groans (or even laughter) emphasis mine. All that matters is that whatever sounds are heard, they would always be interpreted to the will of God.

u are on track.

Ukutsgp:
do u think the holyspirit do the praying for believers? Is that what u are saying?

Forget what I am saying, say exactly what the scripture says without infering anything.

vooks:

Them advise them against fantasizing and hallucinating of being members of the Godhead. If a negro calls himself goD, what can I do?

Who says he is part of the trinity?

mbaemeka:


Jesus is in HEAVEN doing it for those who will come to him and those who have. But the Holy Spirit is in us on earth and he uses us to do the interceding for ourselves. Just like he uses us to heal, feed, clothe people etc.

2 cor 5
16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Col 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Is Christ in you?

shdemidemi:


Forget it, you are not being sincere. I don't understand the reason for the dissimulation.

what i'm saying is that the manner in which the groaning was made doesn't matter, whether in pain, laughter, etc. The important thing is that God understand.

vooks:
My heart bleeds. It was an analogy. You don't need multiple scriptures to construct a doctrine if one verse is as clear as daylight

My bro.. You need multiple scriptures to form a doctrine, if not you are on your own o..

Ukutsgp:
what i'm saying is that the manner in which the groaning was made doesn't matter, whether in pain, laughter, etc. The important thing is that God understand.

I am really sorry bro, I can't seem to understand what you are trying to say. Please put it more clearly.

Do you groan when you pray?

shdemidemi:


Did I report any problem to you?

This is a discussion forum, and more notably, my thread. if you don't like these facts, you can let me know in plain terms.

Bidam:
My bro.. You need multiple scriptures to form a doctrine, if not you are on your own o..

Yup! Hagin said so in this book.. Vooks has a different opinion... as always

shdemidemi:


I am really sorry bro, I can't seem to understand what you are trying to say. Please put it more clearly.

Do you groan when you pray?

yea. i can pray for a long time with groaning. Hannah also pray similar kind of prayer.

Ukutsgp:
yea. i can pray for a long time with groaning. Hannah also pray similar kind of prayer.

Hannah is not a christian my friend. The holy Spirit did not reside in her like it does in you today. Hence, her groaning was because of what she desired.

How do you groan when praying?

Bidam:
You can see no one liked your insult. And i wonder who the kid is here that he was crying wolf about.

So looking at 'likes' has become an obsession for you. Clap for yourself!


You and Gombs seem more excited at looking for ways to put down others. It 'excites' you; you are 'thrilled' at the exercise. In fact, you prefer it because you are not really ready to learn here: You know it all already! So, you prefer to play games rather than engage in any meaningful discussion.

Gombs:


This is a discussion forum, and more notably, my thread. if you don't like these facts, you can let me know in plain terms.

Guy, discuss and stop asking irrelevant questions. thanks

trustman:


So looking at 'likes' has become an obsession for you. Clap for yourself!

The 'likes' is the motivation factor for some. God help us with the maladjusted people one tries to contend God's word with.

shdemidemi:


Hannah is not a christian my friend. The holy Spirit did not reside in her like it does in you today. Hence, her groaning was because of what she desired.

How do you groan when praying?

the holyspirit came upon people in the old testament. read your bible well. when i groan i make some inarticulate sound me myself does not understand. i also speak in tongue sometimes.

Ukutsgp:
the holyspirit came upon people in the old testament. read your bible well.

That is why I said it is not in the same capacity. The Spirit does not come on us today, He lives in us. The bible did not say the Spirit came upon her to make her groan, so I will not add that.

Anybody can groan when in pain, or when they lack something they desire. More reason why I asked you to define 'groan' properly.

Ukutsgp:

when i groan i make some inarticulate sound me myself does not understand. i also speak in tongue sometimes.

You had better stop such lazy way of praying. Moreover, speaking in tongues isn't groaning. How do you groan?

You can go check the definition of groan again. Have you ever seen a pregnant woman in labor, the sounds she make is a typical example of one groaning.

shdemidemi:

That is why I said it is not in the same capacity. The Spirit does not come on us today, He lives in us. The bible did not say the Spirit came upon her to make her groan, so I will not add that.

Anybody can groan when in pain, or when they lack something they desire. More reason why I asked you to define 'groan' properly.




You had better stop such lazy way of praying. Moreover, speaking in tongues isn't groaning. How do you groan?

You can go check the definition of groan again. Have you ever seen a pregnant woman in labor, the sounds she make is a typical example of one groaning.

she was groaning in the spirit. groaning takes different forms. and who told u that the spirit came upon people in the old testament in a lesser capacity. isn't the same holy spirit? remember that people taught that the disciples were drunk when the holy spirit came upon them on the day of Pentecost just like Hannah. eli thought that Hannah was drunk.

i'm not praying in a lazy way. i pray as the spirit leads.

trustman:


So looking at 'likes' has become an obsession for you. Clap for yourself!


You and Gombs seem more excited at looking for ways to put down others. It 'excites' you; you are 'thrilled' at the exercise. In fact, you prefer it because you are not really ready to learn here: You know it all already! So, you prefer to play games rather than engage in any meaningful discussion.

Welcome back from your long silence, mr.troll

Ukutsgp:
she was groaning in the spirit. .

My friend, you have taken this to another dimension, which is that of ones spirit. Your spirit is different from the Holy Spirit. Romans 8:26 isn't speaking about your spirit but the spirit of God.

Ukutsgp:
groaning takes different forms

What are these forms of groaning?

Ukutsgp:
and who told u that the spirit came upon people in the old testament in a lesser capacity. isn't the same holy spirit?

They speak so much of the word 'anointing' in the Old Testament. This happens when the Spirit inundate and enable people to prophesy God's divine message. No wonder David's prayer was valid at that time, when he said-

King James Bible
Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

Today, the Holy Spirit reside permanently in a believer.

Ukutsgp:

remember that people taught that the disciples were drunk when the holy spirit came upon them on the day of Pentecost just like Hannah. eli thought that Hannah was drunk.

That was the start of the administration of the Holy Spirit. Moreover, they were not acting drunk, the eople who saw them said that because they were speaking languages that were different from their innate language.

Ukutsgp:

i'm not praying in a lazy way. i pray as the spirit leads.

What spirit leads you to pray that way? Guess what, I was there before.

John 16:14-15 KJV

He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

I thought I said it earlier? That Christ or The Father only takes form in us by the presence of the Holy Spirit. Jesus doesn't walk up and down. The bible says he is SEATED in Heaven at the place of power while the invisible Father now lives in Jesus. So whenever Jesus wants to make his presence known to anyone, the Holy Spirit is the one who shows up and we know that for 2 reasons:

1. The name of the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ (John 14:26)
2. The Holy Spirit is Allos Parakletos.

shdemidemi:

2 cor 5
16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Col 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Is Christ in you?