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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 2:10pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
vooks:Try again. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 2:13pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
shdemidemi: Jesus is in HEAVEN doing it for those who will come to him and those who have. But the Holy Spirit is in us on earth and he uses us to do the interceding for ourselves. Just like he uses us to heal, feed, clothe people etc. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 2:13pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
shdemidemi:The Jesus you are talking about already has a role he plays in heaven. He is not on earth with believers NOW. Try again. ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 2:14pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
mbaemeka: You are back with this joint help palaver today. Can 'help' also mean 'help in bearing, help in general'? What does it mean to groan? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 2:17pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
vooks:Ok, you should also do well do take your advice too, calling peeps names like goD's ain't cool either, it's an insult to your creator. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 2:17pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
shdemidemi: The word for help in greek as used there means we are working together with him and not that he is doing it for us while we stand and watch. Groan means to make unutterable sounds I.e they are inarticulate and cannot be expressed in words or fine speech. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 2:18pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
shdemidemi:so if i omit that, what is the point u are driving at? U can give me the greek meaning and how it was used. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 2:18pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Bidam: You amaze me sometimes, who is the Spirit? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 2:21pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: Forget it, you are not being sincere. I don't understand the reason for the dissimulation. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 2:22pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
My heart bleeds. It was an analogy. You don't need multiple scriptures to construct a doctrine if one verse is as clear as daylight Bidam: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 2:23pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
shdemidemi:do u think the holyspirit do the praying for believers? Is that what u are saying? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 2:24pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Them advise them against fantasizing and hallucinating of being members of the Godhead. If a negro calls himself goD, what can I do? Bidam: |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 2:26pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
mbaemeka:u are on track. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 2:27pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: Forget what I am saying, say exactly what the scripture says without infering anything. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 2:29pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
vooks:Who says he is part of the trinity? ![]() |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 2:34pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
mbaemeka:2 cor 5 16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Is Christ in you? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 2:34pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
shdemidemi:what i'm saying is that the manner in which the groaning was made doesn't matter, whether in pain, laughter, etc. The important thing is that God understand. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 2:35pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
vooks:My bro.. You need multiple scriptures to form a doctrine, if not you are on your own o.. ![]() |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 2:45pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: I am really sorry bro, I can't seem to understand what you are trying to say. Please put it more clearly. Do you groan when you pray? |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 2:53pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
shdemidemi: This is a discussion forum, and more notably, my thread. if you don't like these facts, you can let me know in plain terms. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 2:59pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Bidam: Yup! Hagin said so in this book.. Vooks has a different opinion... as always ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 3:04pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
shdemidemi:yea. i can pray for a long time with groaning. Hannah also pray similar kind of prayer. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 3:09pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: Hannah is not a christian my friend. The holy Spirit did not reside in her like it does in you today. Hence, her groaning was because of what she desired. How do you groan when praying? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 3:10pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Bidam: So looking at 'likes' has become an obsession for you. Clap for yourself! You and Gombs seem more excited at looking for ways to put down others. It 'excites' you; you are 'thrilled' at the exercise. In fact, you prefer it because you are not really ready to learn here: You know it all already! So, you prefer to play games rather than engage in any meaningful discussion. 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 3:11pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Gombs:Guy, discuss and stop asking irrelevant questions. thanks |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 3:13pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
trustman: The 'likes' is the motivation factor for some. God help us with the maladjusted people one tries to contend God's word with. 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 3:18pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
shdemidemi:the holyspirit came upon people in the old testament. read your bible well. when i groan i make some inarticulate sound me myself does not understand. i also speak in tongue sometimes. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 3:29pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Ukutsgp:That is why I said it is not in the same capacity. The Spirit does not come on us today, He lives in us. The bible did not say the Spirit came upon her to make her groan, so I will not add that. Anybody can groan when in pain, or when they lack something they desire. More reason why I asked you to define 'groan' properly. Ukutsgp: You had better stop such lazy way of praying. Moreover, speaking in tongues isn't groaning. How do you groan? You can go check the definition of groan again. Have you ever seen a pregnant woman in labor, the sounds she make is a typical example of one groaning. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Ukutsgp(m): 4:12pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
shdemidemi:she was groaning in the spirit. groaning takes different forms. and who told u that the spirit came upon people in the old testament in a lesser capacity. isn't the same holy spirit? remember that people taught that the disciples were drunk when the holy spirit came upon them on the day of Pentecost just like Hannah. eli thought that Hannah was drunk. i'm not praying in a lazy way. i pray as the spirit leads. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 4:54pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
trustman: ![]() 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 4:58pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: My friend, you have taken this to another dimension, which is that of ones spirit. Your spirit is different from the Holy Spirit. Romans 8:26 isn't speaking about your spirit but the spirit of God. Ukutsgp:What are these forms of groaning? Ukutsgp: They speak so much of the word 'anointing' in the Old Testament. This happens when the Spirit inundate and enable people to prophesy God's divine message. No wonder David's prayer was valid at that time, when he said- King James Bible Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. Today, the Holy Spirit reside permanently in a believer. Ukutsgp: That was the start of the administration of the Holy Spirit. Moreover, they were not acting drunk, the eople who saw them said that because they were speaking languages that were different from their innate language. Ukutsgp: What spirit leads you to pray that way? Guess what, I was there before. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 5:04pm On Nov 07, 2014 |
John 16:14-15 KJV He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. I thought I said it earlier? That Christ or The Father only takes form in us by the presence of the Holy Spirit. Jesus doesn't walk up and down. The bible says he is SEATED in Heaven at the place of power while the invisible Father now lives in Jesus. So whenever Jesus wants to make his presence known to anyone, the Holy Spirit is the one who shows up and we know that for 2 reasons: 1. The name of the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ (John 14:26) 2. The Holy Spirit is Allos Parakletos. shdemidemi: |
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