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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 7:30am On Nov 08, 2014 |
mbaemeka: Gbam, I can affirm this. That thread.. hmmm, Lord knew I avoided it like a plague. Folks were just typing away what they feel is the truth I only decided to make a post on that thread as I was led to and this was when I saw Nanny's post's. Initially they were not receptive of her as they felt she was there to disrupt their flow because she posed tough questions that they could not answer. I remember mentioning Nl and Brother Gombs to come and view the fiasco but you both disobliged I was watching all these, from a far distance. The Bipolar disordered cum failed blogger cum multiple moniker owner kept making the same idiotic post's trying to give WOF a bad name and then hang them for it. He could say things like "WOF worship angels", "Paul warned us about worshiping angels. He said it is demonic" therefore "WOF is demonic, bro confused and bro dishonest will add more to this, I rest my case on F35" and then the troop will rush in to click likes. That thread would give BasketMouth comic ammunition for 2 centuries and a half. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() the underlined was the main focus of that thread. They formed all forms of treacherous lies and labelled WoF for it. You should have seen the old WoF thread, they had topics like WoF Building, WoF Piano, WoF chairs etc, WoF and angels etc. It was soooooooo nauseating. With the last drop of commonsense that the failed blogger had, he avoided engaging me and I was happy because he didn't discuss with any ounce of spiritual or natural intellectualism of any sort. One time he developed enough clout and made one of those balderdash-laden posts at me, explaining how Jesus was a pauper who had nowhere to lay his head. Of course, I had him for breakfast and it is because of the whooping he suffered that he redirected his anger to brother Hagin when he saw from the 1st chapter of this book how he explained that Jesus was not a homeless Pauper as they had claimed. Interestingly, Brother Hagin's explanations where from a different perspective from mine but we still arrived at the same conclusions if not they would have called me a Plagiarizer- the last resort, when all else fails. Exactly! I almost wanted to ask him about his theory of Jesus being poor, but seeing that it was futile as he would rather burn down NL than admit wrong, he went for the jugular, called Hagin a failed man, and questioned the intent of the book. You sure had him for breakfast, I can relive the moment with a grin, and wonder why that blogger would change for the better. and the plagiarism stunt, that is their last resort when surely all else fails. Remember when they tried to hang Hagin, calling him a plagiarizer of E. W. Kenyon in the old WoF thread? even when glaring evidences shows Hagin made references to Kenyon. The few of them (and really I am referring to 1 person) who had some degree of Integrity Quotient didn't bother raising old dust from the previous thread as they silently learnt lessons and made amends but the chief Ignoramus tried to cast Hagin in bad light by even attempting to question his motives for writing the book. I know the bold above, he's a fine gentleman I tell you. We saw how commonsense again made a fool of him on this thread. On one other thread he said Jesus used the word power twice and never referred to miracles while at it and I and Gombs didn't let him off so easily. He even had to claim it was a typographical error but I can assure you that he didn't misuse any tense or misspell any word. It was what it was- a ginormous goof !(pardon the portmanteau) Meeehn, that was a so glaring a blunder but the fellow said it was a typo see where I caught him and after mba mopped him neatly, look what he said here He never admitted he was TOTALLY wrong, he simply said "it was an error" instead of "I was in error, I am sorry for misleading a few, thanks for correcting me" ..he then quickly changed topic ![]() I warned him to steer clear off my posts which his old handle did but because he is suffering from Multiple Personality Disorder he created a new moniker to initiate threads on CEC's president. ![]() Of course, the name changed but not the bitterness, envy and ignorance. He quoted a post of mine and responded with the same lies but I spotted him out in a heartbeat without even taking note of his IP address or the etisalat line he probably uses to post. When he was asked to disprove that he managed 2 accounts he "pleaded the 5th" but everyone could tell he was still the same vo.yeur and I am right in calling him so, if not he should explain to us how he saw Rev. Chris "caught pants down" borrowing his own words. ![]() That his etisalat line's IP address and his meddling in their WoF thread, plus the board member he followed gave up his cover. He must be thinking we are nit wits here. He can't explain nothing about Rev Chris, rumours however are his favourite. Most of them don't communicate to exchange truth. It is all about "likes"garnered and the overbloated self-importance. One particular day while scouting through the Religion section as a guest, I came about a thread where the new moniker made a post and there was the old one on the side "viewing" it. Seconds later, I let my curiosity get the best of me when I refreshed the page and there it was- Old had liked New's post, as Old was at that point the only viewer and New had gained 1 more like. ![]() Mba, that was how I knew vooks and shedemidemi are same. I noticed if vooks made a post, in split seconds shedemidemi is online and vooks has 1 like, take few pages back, you'd see that even posts about nothing has a like. This was aside the other evidences I have, there was one time vooks made reference to a thread that fat outlived his monickers lifetime on NL, question was how did he know about the discussion? Was he viewing as a guest? certainly not, he spoke as shedemidemi did in that thread. Coincidence? Nah...... but it's ok for them to keep deceiving themselves. ![]() ![]()
it's better imagined bro, and they are here to teach us honesty? ![]() ![]() Now imagine him and his delusions. On this thread he expressed his surprise that I responded to his posts which he directed at me, yet he is now telling me not to discuss with him again on this forum as if I enjoy dumbing myself down with his pseudo-intellectualism. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I tire o 2 men exchanged words and when they were done the first one said "Let's not speak to ourselves again, no hard feelings". The other quizzed "no hard feelings?", and then he concluded insouciantly "no feelings at all". I am the second man. ![]() bro, chop knuckle! 4 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 7:32am On Nov 08, 2014 |
vooks: vooks, this is wisdom. I second it. In fact I have "liked" his post already because as of 7:32 when posting this, no one else had. If it will help him, I employee us all to like that very post of his. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 7:36am On Nov 08, 2014 |
trustman: ![]() vooks: ![]() 4 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 8:41am On Nov 08, 2014 |
vooks: Sorry, can't it be a one off like Abraham tithe theory? 4 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 8:52am On Nov 08, 2014 |
vooks: hmmmm, na wa for wahala. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 9:05am On Nov 08, 2014 |
mbaemeka: And what is the moral behind the long sermon? you are an emotional, proud and egoistic man. All I see here is 'I, I, I', You just can't stand being challenged or chastised, yet you see yourself as the pinnacle of spirituality and an embodiment of God's knowledge. If the Word of God does not subdue the spirit of 'me, myself and I' in you there is problem. Winsomex can't be entirely right and he can't be entirely wrong either, and the same applies to you so stop painting a picture of a perfect Man here. 6 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 11:12am On Nov 08, 2014 |
puny brained Negro Sherlock Holmes Gombs: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 11:15am On Nov 08, 2014 |
he is a kid, don't let his infantile rants get to you. He cursed me and prayed that I die through a car crash and when that failed suicide by poisoning. May be he was a witch before Oyaks rescued him ![]() ![]() Who taught negroes that to sound serious they have to use vocabularies? shdemidemi: 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 12:19pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
WinsomeX: oh LA LA . Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 4 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 12:33pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: Ahhh, are you the palongo maestro? 4 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 12:33pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
The association of palongo dancers, NL chapter. Yuck, that's pretty nauseating. 4 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 12:44pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
shdemidemi: the moral is simple.. those who live in glass houses don't throw stones. you are an emotional, proud and egoistic man. All I see here is 'I, I, I', You just can't stand being challenged or chastised, yet you see yourself as the pinnacle of spirituality and an embodiment of God's knowledge. If the Word of God does not subdue the spirit of 'me, myself and I' in you there is problem. He was narrating an ordeal, should he have written you, them, we etc? You call someone emotonal, proud and egoistic? Dear Lord ![]() Winsomex can't be entirely right and he can't be entirely wrong either, and the same applies to you so stop painting a picture of a perfect Man here. yeah, very true. Just that he is rarely right, and almost always wrong. There are some things you can't just get wrong with in the bible, it's different if you didn't know, but making a stamping statement just to back your claims is disastrous. For example, remember when you said Jesus can be traced to Adam? Meeeeeeeh, you guys should thank God for Nairaland Tsunami ad the advent of newer monickers. It's this way because you lot claim to be true gospel preachers... with all these teaching I (yes i said i) and mba, Bidam, Image, etc has stopped so far were very pertinent, if not, many other innocent folks would be doomed. 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 12:51pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 1:04pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
Image123: That Jesus turned water into wine does not translate into an instruction for his followers to begin to do so. Right? In the same way, that Abraham was recorded to have tithed does not make it a command for anyone else to tithe. Do you get it? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 1:05pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
shdemidemi: Thank you for your very kind words even though my 'long sermon' was not directed at you nor did it mention you in any way, shape or form. You are the non-hypocrite who advised others not to take panadol for my own headache. I can see how you practice what you preach. Now please live me to learn from those I can learn from instead of condescending to discuss with non-egoistic, non-proud, non-hypocrite men who have nothing to offer. Thank you again. 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 1:09pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
mbaemeka:Epic response! 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 1:15pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
trustman:What's the correlation between tithes and a miracle ![]() |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 1:34pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
Bidam: This: The recording of an event in scripture does not NECESSARILY make it a command to be followed or even a thing to be emulated by believers. Where there are clear directives on an issue, it is better to go with such instructions rather than make a 'command' or 'doctrine' out of a recorded event. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 1:50pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
Bidam: class is written all over it like white on rice Seun, we need a thumbs up emoticon o ![]() ![]() ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 1:56pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
Bidam: Good question bro! Now see the answer given below... ![]() trustman: ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 2:05pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
trustman:Clap for your intelligent response, mr logic. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 2:33pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
trustman: You do know that His followers are free to follow His example and principle as much as lieth in them? And from one verse, it can be safely proven and believed that Abraham gave tithes instead of dismissing or belittling it as a one off. For sure, you get it now. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by mbaemeka(m): 2:42pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
Hebrews 11:8-9 KJV By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: Abraham, Isaac and Jacob lived together. That's how Jacob must have learned about tithes. If it was a one time event both Isaac and Jacob won't have known about it because they weren't born when Abraham tithed to Melchizedek. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 7:16pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
Gombs: In your bid to be deceitful you refused to show the entire trend of the discussion. The posts DID NOT START from where you posted. You are continuing your dishonesty. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 7:27pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
trustman: what is this one saying sef? 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 8:21pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
Bidam: Image123: mbaemeka: Let me put it this way; we need more than a NARRATIVE of an event in the Bible to want to make it a command that all successive generations of believers must follow. For example, in the book of Nehemiah, Ezra read the Book of the Law of Moses to the people. It is recorded there that ‘the people all stood up’ and also that ‘they bowed down and worshiped the LORD with their faces to the ground’. This recording of the people’s actions and reactions does not, by its very fact of occurrence make it a RULE that all believers MUST henceforth do as these ones here have done. So, that a thing HAPPENED in scripture does not make it a COMMAND for everyone else to do likewise. On the other hand, where there is a clear instruction or directive in scripture on a subject matter, it is obligatory on those it is directed at to adhere to such a command. 4 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 8:28pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
^^well said sir |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 8:45pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
The most consise article on tithing I ever read. From John MacArthur ministry website. Does God require me to give a tithe of all I earn? Two kinds of giving are taught consistently throughout Scripture: giving to the government (always compulsory), and giving to God (always voluntary). The issue has been greatly confused, however, by some who misunderstand the nature of the Old Testament tithes. Tithes were not primarily gifts to God, but taxes for funding the national budget in Israel. Because Israel was a theocracy, the Levitical priests acted as the civil government. So the Levite's tithe ( Leviticus 27:30-33 ) was a precursor to today's income tax, as was a second annual tithe required by God to fund a national festival ( Deuteronomy 14:22-29 ). Smaller taxes were also imposed on the people by the law ( Leviticus 19:9-10 ; Exodus 23:10-11 ). So the total giving required of the Israelites was not 10 percent, but well over 20 percent. All that money was used to operate the nation. All giving apart from that required to run the government was purely voluntary (cf. Exodus 25:2 ; 1 Chronicles 29:9 ). Each person gave whatever was in his heart to give; no percentage or amount was specified. New Testament believers are never commanded to tithe. Matthew 22:15-22 and Romans 13:1-7 tell us about the only required giving in the church age, which is the paying of taxes to the government. Interestingly enough, we in America presently pay between 20 and 30 percent of our income to the government--a figure very similar to the requirement under the theocracy of Israel. The guideline for our giving to God and His work is found in 2 Corinthians 9:6-7 : "Now this I say, he who sows sparingly shall also reap sparingly; and he who sows bountifully shall also reap bountifully. Let each one do just as he has purposed in his heart; not grudgingly or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver." www.gty.org/resources/questions/QA144/does-god-require-me-to-give-a-tithe-of-all-i-earn?Term=Tithe 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nlMediator: 9:22pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
mbaemeka: Thanks for the detailed account of these fellows' shenanigans. I didn't disoblige o! When you wrote, I was on a short cybertical during which I did not visit or show up at all on this forum for a few months. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:15pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
WinsomeX: Ah! DB goes for his favorite topic in Christianity! I'm thrilled |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 10:18pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
trustman: i will put it this way. A NARRATIVE in the Bible is enough example to show that something happened and that lessons and actions can be imbibed from such good examples. For example, there is absolutely nothing wrong in people standing up, or bowing down and worshipping the LORD with their faces to the ground’. It is biblical and can be imbibed by any christian as much as lieth in them. So again, read well what we are saying and have being saying, instead of assuming or forcing unfounded conclusions. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Image123(m): 10:25pm On Nov 08, 2014 |
Gombs: As is becoming his custom, he shoots himself severally in the feet until he is lame. These fellows are just anywhere belle face except the right angle. We say the sky is blue, they come shouting no no no the sky is actually colorless. Someone else says the sky is red, they say yes yes yes, it is. Another says the sky is black, they say that is the most concise description ever. Another comes and talks about the light spectrum, and they say yaaaay the most profound statement of the year. Bunch of palongo artistes. 1 Like |
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