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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 9:45pm On Nov 08, 2014
EVarn:
catfish like you,calling boko haram 'ragtag'.boko haram is a more deadlier force than the SANDF;
(i)it is well funded by both internal and international religious entities
(ii)BH fighters do not lack tents and they are perfectly capable of fueling their motorized infantry units
(iii)they coordinate and operate from fortresses and save havens e.g a vast and shallow horizon like sambisa forest is very hard to penetrate without encountering overwhelming firepower,a high hill like gwoza is difficult to lay seige on and they can easily shoot down aircrafts,a sloppy and rough terrain like mubi is difficult to assault as it is easy to set ambushes from different positions.
(iv)BH are heavily armed with tanks,anti-aircrafts,atillery,AAA rifles,rocket-launchers,bombs and IEDs.
(v)they are very mobile,as they have fleets of automobiles to move about in droves.
so,how are they ragtag?


With better weapons and better training you can defeat BH. Now no country want to sell you arms and beside you don't have money.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 10:26pm On Nov 08, 2014
mzilakazi:

With better weapons and better training you can defeat BH. Now no country want to sell you arms and beside you don't have money.
what do you mean no country want to sell arms to us?,russia,belarus,ukraine,china,pakistan and other eastern europe and asian countries are very willing!.how many times have i proved that we can buy as much military hardware as we want?,we can buy the B-2 Bomber jet if america were willing to sell it{which they arent,even other NATO nations dont have it},the SAAF do not even have common aviation fuel,how will you then buy new military hardwares?.the NA has the best infantry in africa,so we dont lack training.you are one to talk,afterall the SANDF ran out of CAR,to be replaced by those pretty,sausage-eating french models that pose as soldiers,even france can outperform you,shame!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 10:33pm On Nov 08, 2014
SA acquired technological transfer of radar and EW system in 1939 and now can develop her own.



http://www.csir.co.za/dpss/rew_overview.html
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 10:39pm On Nov 08, 2014
EVarn:
what do you mean no country want to sell arms to us?,russia,belarus,ukraine,china,pakistan and other eastern europe and asian countries are very willing!.how many times have i proved that we can buy as much military hardware as we want?,we can buy the B-2 Bomber jet if america were willing to sell it{which they arent,even other NATO nations dont have it},the SAAF do not even have common aviation fuel,how will you then buy new military hardwares?.the NA has the best infantry in africa,so we dont lack training.you are one to talk,afterall the SANDF ran out of CAR,to be replaced by those pretty,sausage-eating french models that pose as soldiers,even france can outperform you,shame!


President Jonathan asked your government to make a loan of $1 billion, yet you are singing that you have money.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0FL29320140716?irpc=932

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/168645-jonathan-gets-approval-to-borrow-1billion-to-fight-boko-haram.html


SANDF never ran away from CAR, it was a parliamentary call that they needed to honour. In SA the army can only be deployed and withdrawn by the parliament. The president can only deploy the army through the consultation with the parliament.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 10:46pm On Nov 08, 2014
Boko Haram said to seize another town in northern Nigeria



Niamey (AFP) - Islamist extremist group Boko Haram has seized control of a Nigerian town near the Niger border, leading soldiers to flee and adding to its expanding reach in the region, an official said Saturday.

The insurgents were said to have taken control of Malam Fatori in Nigeria's northeastern Borno state after fighting on Wednesday and Thursday, a senior official in the Niger town of Diffa near Nigeria told AFP on condition of anonymity.

The fighting killed dozens and wounded about 30 people in the a commercial hub known for fishing and farming, the Anfani radio station in Diffa reported.

"The town of Malam Fatori was taken by Boko Haram after violent fighting with the Nigerian army overnight Wednesday to Thursday," said the official in Diffa, where thousands of refugees from the conflict have fled to.

According to the official, 315 Nigerian soldiers fled over the border to Diffa. Thirteen who were wounded were treated in a Diffa hospital, while the others have been repatriated.

The official's version of events differed from the one given by a Nigerian senator, who on Thursday spoke of the attack but did not say that the town had been taken.

Senator Maina Maaji Lawan said the insurgents met stiff resistance from soldiers from a multi-national task force in the region that includes troops from Nigeria, Chad and Niger.

Lawan however also said that soldiers were later forced to flee after being overpowered by the insurgents. He said that 21 civilians were killed.

...

http://news.yahoo.com/boko-haram-said-seize-another-town-northern-nigeria-184212041.html
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 10:59pm On Nov 08, 2014
SYSDEL is a SA indigenous company specialising in Electronic Warfare systems.



http://www.sysdel.co.za/

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 11:00pm On Nov 08, 2014
DieVluit:

Boko Haram said to seize another town in northern Nigeria



Niamey (AFP) - Islamist extremist group Boko Haram has seized control of a Nigerian town near the Niger border, leading soldiers to flee and adding to its expanding reach in the region, an official said Saturday.

The insurgents were said to have taken control of Malam Fatori in Nigeria's northeastern Borno state after fighting on Wednesday and Thursday, a senior official in the Niger town of Diffa near Nigeria told AFP on condition of anonymity.

The fighting killed dozens and wounded about 30 people in the a commercial hub known for fishing and farming, the Anfani radio station in Diffa reported.

"The town of Malam Fatori was taken by Boko Haram after violent fighting with the Nigerian army overnight Wednesday to Thursday," said the official in Diffa, where thousands of refugees from the conflict have fled to.

According to the official, 315 Nigerian soldiers fled over the border to Diffa. Thirteen who were wounded were treated in a Diffa hospital, while the others have been repatriated.

The official's version of events differed from the one given by a Nigerian senator, who on Thursday spoke of the attack but did not say that the town had been taken.

Senator Maina Maaji Lawan said the insurgents met stiff resistance from soldiers from a multi-national task force in the region that includes troops from Nigeria, Chad and Niger.

Lawan however also said that soldiers were later forced to flee after being overpowered by the insurgents. He said that 21 civilians were killed.

...

http://news.yahoo.com/boko-haram-said-seize-another-town-northern-nigeria-184212041.html



Cowards!!! Cowards!!! Cowards!!!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 11:02pm On Nov 08, 2014
mzilakazi:




Cowards!!! Cowards!!! Cowards!!!

Pathetic cowards.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 11:09pm On Nov 08, 2014
REUTECH, proudly South African



http://www.reutech.co.za/
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 11:09pm On Nov 08, 2014
mzilakazi:

President Jonathan asked your government to make a loan of $1 billion, yet you are singing that you have money
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0FL29320140716?irpc=932
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/168645-jonathan-gets-approval-to-borrow-1billion-to-fight-boko-haram.html
SANDF never ran away from CAR, it was a parliamentary call that they needed to honour. In SA the army can only be deployed and withdrawn by the parliament. The president can only deploy the army through the consultation with the parliament.
you are sweet-tongued{or should i say "sweet-f_ingered"},so because jonathan loaned $1billion,then nigeria is broke?,the loan wasnt even in cash!,it was in military hardware over a span of 7-10 years...study a little economics,a loan is taken so as not to put pressure on national reserves,if not american wont incur such debts..finally,in nigeria,the president is the commander in chief of the armed forces,he has power to deploy and withdraw troops
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 11:27pm On Nov 08, 2014
About the "ceasefire'.

What a mess. It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/07/opinion/nigeria-truce-tolu/


Was Nigeria's government hoodwinked over Boko Haram 'truce'?


...The government's blindness -- willful or otherwise -- to that fact should alarm us all. But it's not very surprising.
At every turn the Nigerian government -- everything from the president's office, to the military, and intelligence services -- has demonstrated that it is as confused as the rest of us.
We see this not just in the desperation, at the highest levels, to believe anything regardless of how implausible it sounds, but also in the supremely careless manner in which information regarding the crisis continues to be managed.
If the past is anything to go by, I'm certain we haven't seen the last of the "ceasefire" announcements....
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 3:59am On Nov 09, 2014
EVarn:
you are sweet-tongued{or should i say "sweet-f_ingered"},so because jonathan loaned $1billion,then nigeria is broke?,the loan wasnt even in cash!,it was in military hardware over a span of 7-10 years...study a little economics,a loan is taken so as not to put pressure on national reserves,if not american wont incur such debts..finally,in nigeria,the president is the commander in chief of the armed forces,he has power to deploy and withdraw troops


The question is: will a self sufficient man ever make a loan?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:14am On Nov 09, 2014
mzilakazi:



You see the reason why I call you a fool. Mokopa has long been integrated into Rooivalk tested and fired. It was tested many times on Rooivalk starting from 1999 http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product869.html. It was specially designed for Rooivalk, but now can be launched from different platforms, Fighter jets, Vehicles and Ships or boats.

Do you think Denel is that stuppid? DENEL is committed to give SANDF training of any kind of weapon in their stock.


Nigeria has zero weapon in Ukraine. They are in war as current and very desperate for weapons, yet they cannot get their weapons in Ukraine. That's ironic!!



Funding for air force soars
Date: 1 March 2014
THE SA Air Force has been given a R342 million
boost over three years towards strengthening its
helicopter, transport and maritime capability.
According to Budget documents tabled this week,
the money was shifted from the Special Defence
Account because of “an increase in deployments
and presidential commitments”.
There was also a projected increase in spending
in the force employment programme for border
patrols, anti-piracy
operations and peacekeeping missions.
Defence analyst Helmoed-Romer Heitman said
some of the funds for the helicopter capability
related to the deployment of Rooivalk combat
helicopters to the DRC, where South Africa has
sent troops as part of a UN peacekeeping
mission.
“We’ve gone from having two Oryxes at Goma to
having three Rooivalke and five or six Oryxes.
They burn more fuel to get there, they burn hours,
which uses up consumables, and there’s
maintenance,” Heitman said.
It was also possible the military was finally
acquiring the Mokopa anti-tank missile for the Rooivalk



http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/1282/funding-for-air-force-soars


Possible is NOT = Done.

Nigeria too can possibly buy the Akash SAM with 35km range from India as published in world news last year, get it?

Even if intergrated, SAAF has NEVER ordered ANY Mokopa missile, because of lack of funds and the fact I posted, that your then air force chief said the 10km long range is useless because the Rooivalk will not see the target grin grin

DENEL engineers are just dumbo domingoes to design a missile that is useless, named Mokopa ATGM.


[size=14pt]SAAF has NO SINGLE Mokopa missile, Rooivalk is a gun carrier grin grin [/size]

Nigeria has T-72 tanks stored in Ukraine http://news.rin.ru/eng/news/62731/
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:21am On Nov 09, 2014
mzilakazi:
SA acquired technological transfer of radar and EW system in 1939 and now can develop her own.

http://www.csir.co.za/dpss/rew_overview.html

#Show me made in South Africa radar that does not have European company involved in it's prodcution grin grin
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:23am On Nov 09, 2014
mzilakazi:
SYSDEL is a SA indigenous company specialising in Electronic Warfare systems.

http://www.sysdel.co.za/

95% of South African defense industry is just European branches of arms manufacturers who opened factory in Soweto Republic
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:25am On Nov 09, 2014
mzilakazi:
REUTECH, proudly South African

http://www.reutech.co.za/

Same way you claim SAAB of Sweden, Thales of Britain, Nissan of Japan, etc are all South African companies grin grin

Thief grin grin

95% of South African defense industry is European branches opened by your white masters in South Africa.

#Copy Cats
# Thieves
# Barawo Ole Jankoriko grin grin
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 5:37am On Nov 09, 2014
agaugust:


95% of South African defense industry is just European branches of arms manufacturers who opened factory in Soweto Republic
.

Jealousy kills. SA is not Nigeria where you see black everywhere you go.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 5:39am On Nov 09, 2014
agaugust:


Same way you claim SAAB of Sweden, Thales of Britain, Nissan of Japan, etc are all South African companies grin grin

Thief grin grin

95% of South African defense industry is European branches opened by your white masters in South Africa.

#Copy Cats
# Thieves
# Barawo Ole Jankoriko grin grin
.

Reutech is truly SA defence group.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 5:52am On Nov 09, 2014
agaugust:


Possible is NOT = Done.

Nigeria too can possibly buy the Akash SAM with 35km range from India as published in world news last year, get it?

Even if intergrated, SAAF has NEVER ordered ANY Mokopa missile, because of lack of funds and the fact I posted, that your then air force chief said the 10km long range is useless because the Rooivalk will not see the target grin grin

DENEL engineers are just dumbo domingoes to design a missile that is useless, named Mokopa ATGM.


[size=14pt]SAAF has NO SINGLE Mokopa missile, Rooivalk is a gun carrier grin grin [/size]

Nigeria has T-72 tanks stored in Ukraine http://news.rin.ru/eng/news/62731/
.


SA government has Mokopa. However, your link is just as crushed as your skull. Nigeria has zero weapons in Ukraine while DENEL stock belongs to SANDF by law.


http://www.dpe.gov.za/soc/Pages/Denel.aspx
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 10:12am On Nov 09, 2014
mzilakazi:



The question is: will a self sufficient man ever make a loan?
^yes,a self sufficient man can decide to take a loan if he feels he doesnt want to burden his own reserves,nigeria is a diverse and complex society,it runs on money,reserves need to be always high in case of emergencies and surplus spendings e.g during the ebola saga,do you know how much billions of naira was spent on curbing ebola,we still sent aids,and drugs worth millions of dollars to liberia,seirra leone,and guinea!,can a broke country do that?,a loan dosent signify lack of funds,america has the highest amount of debts in the world,yet they arent even near broke.taking a loan is better than going on all fours,begging BRIC for a few change,isnt it?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 10:22am On Nov 09, 2014
mzilakazi:



The question is: will a self sufficient man ever make a loan?
^yes,if a country does not want to pressure its national reserves,it takes loans to augment spendings,america has the biggest debt in the world,yet they arent broke.nigeria is a complex and diverse society that runs on money,reserves need to be robust at all times in case of emergencies and surplus spendings,e.g during the ebola saga,do you know how much billions of naira was spent on curbing ebola?,we even sent aid and drugs worth millions of dollars to ebola hot-zones!,can a broke country do that?,taking loans is better than crawling on all fours,begging BRIC for a few change,isnt it?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:01pm On Nov 09, 2014
DieVluit:

Boko Haram said to seize another town in northern Nigeria



Niamey (AFP) - Islamist extremist group Boko Haram has seized control of a Nigerian town near the Niger border, leading soldiers to flee and adding to its expanding reach in the region, an official said Saturday.

The insurgents were said to have taken control of Malam Fatori in Nigeria's northeastern Borno state after fighting on Wednesday and Thursday, a senior official in the Niger town of Diffa near Nigeria told AFP on condition of anonymity.

The fighting killed dozens and wounded about 30 people in the a commercial hub known for fishing and farming, the Anfani radio station in Diffa reported.

"The town of Malam Fatori was taken by Boko Haram after violent fighting with the Nigerian army overnight Wednesday to Thursday," said the official in Diffa, where thousands of refugees from the conflict have fled to.

According to the official, 315 Nigerian soldiers fled over the border to Diffa. Thirteen who were wounded were treated in a Diffa hospital, while the others have been repatriated.

The official's version of events differed from the one given by a Nigerian senator, who on Thursday spoke of the attack but did not say that the town had been taken.

Senator Maina Maaji Lawan said the insurgents met stiff resistance from soldiers from a multi-national task force in the region that includes troops from Nigeria, Chad and Niger.

Lawan however also said that soldiers were later forced to flee after being overpowered by the insurgents. He said that 21 civilians were killed.

...

http://news.yahoo.com/boko-haram-said-seize-another-town-northern-nigeria-184212041.html



Jut shows how dull you are, your above story heavily contradicts itself.

See the lines you bolded, one says Nigerian soldiers flee from Boko Haram then goes again to say the soldiers who fled are multi-national troops from 3 countries armies...Nigeria, Chad and Niger Republic all combined.

So which one do we believe from your fake story ? NONE grin grin

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:04pm On Nov 09, 2014
mzilakazi:



SA government has Mokopa. However, your link is just as crushed as your skull. Nigeria has zero weapons in Ukraine while DENEL stock belongs to SANDF by law.

http://www.dpe.gov.za/soc/Pages/Denel.aspx


According to SAAF air chief, Mokopa missile 10km range is too long and therefore useless, so they will NEVER buy it.

Case closed grin grin
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:08pm On Nov 09, 2014
mzilakazi:



SA government has Mokopa. However, your link is just as crushed as your skull. Nigeria has zero weapons in Ukraine


[size=16pt]Nigeria has many T-72 tanks stored in Ukraine. PROVED so you cannot change the FACT.

http://news.rin.ru/eng/news/62731/

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 2:34pm On Nov 09, 2014
agaugust:


[size=16pt]Nigeria has many T-72 tanks stored in Ukraine. PROVED so you cannot change the FACT.

http://news.rin.ru/eng/news/62731/

.
[/size]



You don't have a lot and by the way tanks cannot make our bodies to shrink.

SADF sank Russian ship fully loaded with weapons which were meant to be transported to Angola. It is not safe to put away weapons to another country since the ocean is too deep to consume all of them.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 2:38pm On Nov 09, 2014
agaugust:



According to SAAF air chief, Mokopa missile 10km range is too long and therefore useless, so they will NEVER buy it.

Case closed grin grin
.


It is not a matter of buying. SA government has mokopa which will be used by SAAF during war. It is not a matter of a choice by some unknown chief or whatever.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 2:45pm On Nov 09, 2014
agaugust:




Jut shows how dull you are, your above story heavily contradicts itself.

See the lines you bolded, one says Nigerian soldiers flee from Boko Haram then goes again to say the soldiers who fled are multi-national troops from 3 countries armies...Nigeria, Chad and Niger Republic all combined.

So which one do we believe from your fake story ? NONE grin grin

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It is not a matter of arguing. Your military is well known of taking to their heels when confronted by BH. You argue as if is something new. Don't worry, I will remind you when it happens again.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 2:52pm On Nov 09, 2014
EVarn:
^yes,if a country does not want to pressure its national reserves,it takes loans to augment spendings,america has the biggest debt in the world,yet they arent broke.nigeria is a complex and diverse society that runs on money,reserves need to be robust at all times in case of emergencies and surplus spendings,e.g during the ebola saga,do you know how much billions of naira was spent on curbing ebola?,we even sent aid and drugs worth millions of dollars to ebola hot-zones!,can a broke country do that?,taking loans is better than crawling on all fours,begging BRIC for a few change,isnt it?

Your reasoning will fail before the court.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 3:49pm On Nov 09, 2014
guys, today i witnrssed another missile test around ajah/epe while coming back from church. the darn thing disappeared before i could take out my phone, unlock and launch camera but i was able to snap it's trace.

this is the third time this week and first during a bright afternoon. they normally do this stuff very early in the morning and i get to see it when i go out for jogging before heading to work.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 4:03pm On Nov 09, 2014
stillchris:
guys, today i witnrssed another missile test around ajah/epe while coming back from church. the darn thing disappeared before i could take out my phone, unlock and launch camera but i was able to snap it's trace.

this is the third time this week and first during a bright afternoon. they normally do this stuff very early in the morning and i get to see it when i go out for jogging before heading to work.

Thanks for posting, now we definitely know the project is still on course.

What length in meters would you say the missiles are?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 4:21pm On Nov 09, 2014
mzilakazi:


Your reasoning will fail before the court.
^you are very confused,grasping at sheets when you dont even have proof to back your lies.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 4:35pm On Nov 09, 2014
Henry120:


Thanks for posting, now we definitely know the project is still on course.

What length in meters would you say the missiles are?

can't really say cos the altitude makes it look small but i'll say like 10-20 meters

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