Henry120:


Retaard, provide the photo I asked for.

Show us the GCS of your imaginary Link ZA.

Why should I provide the photo?

An answer would be nice.

DieVluit:


I'm not talking for him. You know you've provided no evidence of data links either. And you also know that we make aviation fuel while you import diesel and petrol. Remember your diesel Qs. You also know that you tent story is outdated and not even part of the discourse in SA anymore. Your mokopa story is laughable. I am laughing in Algerian right now.

I have provided evidence of Nigerian Military Data links. You haven't.

Your defence minister specifically said your troops lack tents in the DRC. I've only been quoting her.

Multiple sources have been provided to show that you lack aviation fuel. The last article was dated 10 October 2014.

Nothing old.

Continue laughing in algeria, it hasn't bought you any mokopa missiles, neither have any magically appeared.

Janes defence still reports your defence force as been too broke to afford them.

DieVluit:


Why should I provide the photo?

An answer would be nice.

Aren't you South-African?

Isn't this a military thread?

You now want to claim to be Algerian

Henry120:

I have provided evidence of Nigerian Military Data links. You haven't.
Your defence minister specifically said your troops lack tents in the DRC. I've only been quoting her.
Multiple sources have been provided to show that you lack aviation fuel. The last article was dated 10 October 2014.
Nothing old.
Continue laughing in algeria, it hasn't bought you any mokopa missiles, neither have any magically appeared.
Janes defence still reports your defence force as been too broke to afford them.

No, you provided a useless picture of hardware and personnel, like posting a picture of a phone and "proving" that it has bluetooth.

And the minister explained the circumstances, which circumstances don't exist anymore. The "outdatedness" has nothing to do with the date, but with the circumstances. Your multiple sources have not proved that we don't have aviation fuel today. But then we need no source to prove that you import diesel and other finished product, notwithstanding your crude. You have no beneficiation ability in Nigeria. Everything Denel produces is the SANDF's as and when needed, so yes, I laugh in Algerian.

Henry120:


Aren't you South-African?

Isn't this a military thread?

You now want to claim to be Algerian

Yes to both questions, but still why should I produce the picture? Answer still required.

Henry120:


The thing is, it would have dual purposes. We have a plan to launch our very own made in nigeria satellite by 2018 or so, from Nigeria. With the intense testing 3 sighted so far this week by @Chris, it means development is in top gear.

Anyway, until we get official confirmation, we may never know exactly.

You are right
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GreenandGold:



Max Range: 10 km
Min: 0km

You understand what it means Agububu? it means it can also fire targets at 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 kilometers


#UselessTalks

[size=16pt]Mokopa Anti-Tank Missile 10km long range is useless :

South African air force chief confesses to Defenceweb in Johannesburg [/size]


Denel’s Mokopa PGM ready for market

Written by Leon Engelbrecht, Wednesday, 26 January 2011

"This is in line with comments made by SAAF chief Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano on that subject, he saw only limited short-term opportunity for Mokopa with the land services. “Most armies won't use it optimally, he noted. Land-to-land targeting at 5.5km, as with Ingwe, is already a very long range for target acquisition. You cant's see much further in the dust and glare of the battlefield. With Mokopa you go over-the-horison and then your communications and command-and-control has to be very advanced. Many armies are not yet confident enough to use such a weapon. The Ingwe is still very much on the sweet spot for most applications,” he said. "

[size=16pt]SAAF confirms Mokopa missile is useless

.[/size]

GreenandGold:


Say what Agububu.... go play with your toys Cobras, the Ratel is just advanced for you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratel_IFV

Small land mines only, bigger mines will tear your Ratel into pieces, Ratel is NOT an MRAP .

Nigerian Cobras too have protection against land mines.

Don't compare your ancient 1980s outdated Ratel with our year 2008 Cobra.

Your Ratel cannot even swim across a small river, SANDF is outdated and lacks all terrain armoured vehicles

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GreenandGold:



You're Sorted ...Now Show us a Nigerian-made radar

Photo does not say it is South African made radar, show me it's name and source web link
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mzilakazi:



civilian made rockets sometimes are fired in the vicinity of people, but hard core missiles, no way can be tested near where people lives.

That's no ordinary rocket, it is most likely a guided missile, it flew horizontally meaning it's controlled to a landing point.

If it is vertical (then returns down by parachute to same launch pad) or parabolic, I will say it could easily be unguided rocket.

Epe rocket project base has always been in a town with people, desire for secrecy is making the government move it to an Island, Epe is a coastal town

http://www.theguardianmobile.com/readNewsItem1.php?nid=17349

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mzilakazi:



civilian made rockets sometimes are fired in the vicinity of people, but hard core missiles, no way can be tested near where people lives.

we speak the same love,the picture doesnt look like a missile,heavy missiles are bigger{longer},more volatile,and they do not emitt as much "dirty" gas{smoke} as the missile in the picture does,missiles also tend to generate rather violent explosions,so they arent sited in inhabited areas.so it is more likely that its a rocket{though it isnt civilian made}.but in the end,its proudly nigerian made,unlike your 90% white made military hardwares.

agaugust:



[size=16pt]Mokopa Anti-Tank Missile 10km long range is useless :

South African air force chief confesses to Defenceweb in Johannesburg [/size]


Denel’s Mokopa PGM ready for market

Written by Leon Engelbrecht, Wednesday, 26 January 2011

"This is in line with comments made by SAAF chief Lieutenant General Carlo Gagiano on that subject, he saw only limited short-term opportunity for Mokopa with the land services. “Most armies won't use it optimally, he noted. Land-to-land targeting at 5.5km, as with Ingwe, is already a very long range for target acquisition. You cant's see much further in the dust and glare of the battlefield. With Mokopa you go over-the-horison and then your communications and command-and-control has to be very advanced. Many armies are not yet confident enough to use such a weapon. The Ingwe is still very much on the sweet spot for most applications,” he said. "

[size=16pt]SAAF confirms Mokopa missile is useless

.[/size]

By writing this down you've proven your inability to read or understand what you're reading, you've once again elected yourself as the d*mbest person on this Thread. Since when does " won't use it optimally" mean "Useless".

Let me give you a bit of an English lesson.

Optimally is used as an Adverb and it means " in an optimal and most desirable way"

Optimal is an Adjective and means "Most favorable or desirable; optimum."

Optimum:

adjective
most conducive to a favorable outcome; best.

noun

the most favorable conditions or level for growth, reproduction, or success.

So when he said most countries won't be able to use it optimally he meant that they won't be able to use it to the best of its abilities because for obvious reasons they'd have to fully adapt the system into their army, that's why at the end he said "your command-and-control have to be very advance" he said nothing about it being useless, you're twisting his words to support your own extremely stup*d argument.


You're an insult to the people who taught you how to read.

Does anyone know of any alternative Browsers that I can use on my BlackBerry besides Operamini, because it stopped working a couple of days ago, and Nairaland doesn't work well on my in House Browser, it jams to much.

*I really don't want to download the Nairaland Mobile App*

Henry120:


We've seen Nigeria use Data links, South-Africa has no data links. Let us see any used operationally?

We have posted sources of their operational use, the Hawks for example, or the naval exercise that involved SF jumping out a plane and being picked up by a sub - something only possible through the use of LinkZA and BLUEFOR trackers

You have yet to show us any sources that specify nigerian data-link use

Henry120:


Hey dummy, the President recently approved 2 billion dollars specifically for weapons acquisitions.

OPLOT-M and more T-72's coming in.

He spent all that money on helicopters.

And its not MORE T-72's because you dont have any to start with

Henry120:


Won't be the first time, the South-African government negotiated and gave up their government to the terrorists.

Yes, but it would be our first time bowing to GENOCIDAL SEPARATIST WARCRIMINALS

The NA has made a deal with the devil

agaugust:


Thanks man !

All parts for the missile published last year are made from 100% locally sourced materials.

Emerging domestic missile industry of Nigeria
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Where do you draw this conclusion from?

agaugust:


Nigeria too has secret missiles at Epe project Island which our government owns and can use in war
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No you dont

agaugust:


Is South Africa at war with Nigeria or Ukraine today?

Try sink Ukranian shipload of arms and see how Ukraine will use South Africa for shooting practice, their anger with Russia will be diverted against your country .

Anyway last news on T-84 OPLOT-M tanks about to be shipped from Ukraine to Nigeria was by air, they were parked on the airport grounds.

You are just high on alcoholic koeldrank as usual
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Ukraine cannot even defeat a bunch of rebels... they wouldent stand a chance against us.

There is no news about T-84's from any known respected source

Hence, you are not getting T-84's

Henry120:


Oh you bloody fool, that is the infrastructure to show that Data links exist. We haven't seen any with south-Efrica.


I hope you choke on that food.

What you have seen was multiple sources that clearly say we have one.

You are unable to show us a single one

agaugust:


South Africa does NOT manufactur radar, you import from Europe.

South African local defense industry is 95% European companies' branches on your land.

SA claims of local weapons manufacturing na wash, all na wash, the brains and equipment, technologies and companies behind it all are European white masters ruling your economy 2014.

All na wash, Soweto just trying to be posh ! Proved !
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OK, Augubugugugu


You have said this many times.


But, now its time to show us proof.

Until then, this is simply the emotional posting of a man who just found out that the IGIRIRIugugubgugu is more South African than Nigerian

Henry120:


INFRASTRUCTURE"....... dummy.

I've shown the infrastructure to prove beyond all "dummy" doubt that nigeria has active and operational data links.

Seems your own "dummyness" is a more critical case.

I posted photos of the air assets
Ground station
Sea assets, and including personnel.


Show that to us.

We have posted links clearly outlining LinkZA on multiple occasions.

You have yet to even show us a single link.

Tell me, what is the name of Nigeria's supposed data-link?

You do know its name right?

agaugust:


We are not interested in ancient wars where 95% of those who fought are dead, retired, kicked out by ANC, or run away to Australia before Zulu revenge slices their throats.

Current war 2014, Nigeria is fighting alone with over 30,000 soldiers, batalions of tanks, APC, IFV, artillery, jet fighters, helicopter gunships, ISTAR aircraft, spy balloons, satellites, automatic grenade launchers, mortars, etc.

Show we where South African military is being tested to that level today 2014.

Your SANDF na photographic wash, your inexperienced HIV consumed army na wash! SANDF has 20 battalions of HIV battered and shattered half-dead soldiers, your military demo photos on Nairaland na wash, just trying to be posh, but SANDF na wash !
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Strange then that with "30,000 soldiers, batalions of tanks, APC, IFV, artillery, jet fighters, helicopter gunships, ISTAR aircraft, spy balloons, satellites, automatic grenade launchers, mortars, etc."


All you have tasted is defeat- boko haram captures town after town.

You have failed your test.

And finally, we are talking about institutional experience here - knowledge passed on from soldier to soldier through training.

That is the difference between the NA and the SANDF - training

agaugust:


NA Cobra, VBL, BTR-3U are more modern than SANDF 1980s Ratels, 1990s Rooikats.

SANDF is a dry land only army 'standardized' to fight only at home on very dry and easy terrain
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NA Cobra - not effective in conventional warfare as an offensive weapon and is a scout car
VBL - not effective in conventional warfare as an offensive weapon and is a scout car
BTR-3U - only have 47


MPLA and the Cubans had battalions of amphibious vehicals.... and yet our dry land only army out-maneuvered them and destroyed them in every battle

Explan that

agaugust:


Mokopa missile is NOT in service with SAAF.

Mokopa has been rejected by SAAF because the 10km range is useless, too long for real battlefield realities according to your country's air force chief.

DENEL is a foolish weapons developer, I have always warned you South Africans that too long range is useless on real life battlefield practically, you won't see the enemy target.

Mokopa missile na wash, so your air force refused to buy the homemade wash !

Rooivalk helicopter has NO SINGLE guided weapon, it has ended it's career as a 1960s generation attack helicopter with world war II level of weaponry, Rooivalk too na wash !
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Again.

Are you seriously saying that the Makopa can only engage targets that are exactly 10km away?

Not 8km? 9km? 4km?

I think you should take a break from posting for a while.

Henry120:


Sharap.

You got no money to pay for anything. You can't afford common Aviation fuel or common tents, how do you now somehow think you can procure missiles?

You didnt read the new budget allocations?

You didnt read the fact that we have enough money for 22 000 hours in sky every year?

Go trade petty insults with the other children on the street corner.

agaugust:


Mokopa is actually the worst anti-tank missile ever made, the 10km range is useless because it goes over the horizon, so useless that South Africa that manufactured it has REFUSED to buy it, especially with SANDF now broke, why buy a useless missile with bank loans ?

SAAF chief of staff used his own mouth on Defenceweb magazine to kill the Mokopa ATGM....call it homicide

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Range UP TO 10km..

Not 10km ONLY range

you are a complete and utter slowpoke.

agaugust:



Show us radar made in south Africa.

Nigeria has acquired technology to build ICBM from North Korea

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Show us radar that is not built in South Africa

Show us North Korean ICBM technology in Nigeria

agaugust:


SANDF Ratel is a 1980s IFV

Nigerian army BTR-3U is a year 2000 era IFV

You drunk with local gin ?
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You only have a handfull... and the Badger enters service next year... so we will have our 2015 IFV

agaugust:


Same way all SANDF Ratels and Rooikats won't stand landmines

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The are designed specifically to do that

agaugust:


All your Ratels will be destroyed by Nigerian army Motorized Infantry 7km range recoilless anti-tank guns, you won't even get a chance to launch one single Ingwe missile before you get deleted

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Effective firing range of the M40 is only 1,3km

Clown

Henry120:


What do you mean by we, who are the we

The only thing you were doing was serving tea,
Screaming yes massa,
And working as gardeners.

South Africa has been doing exactly what he says they were.