agaugust:


Show me a neutral source to prove that claim, not your usual Southie propaganda machinery news of deception
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How about the Radio recordings of the Crew during the battle?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JnHOS8SIPE

((((BOOOM))))

mzilakazi:



CAR which is thousands of kilometres away from SA has witnessed that SANDF with only limited weapons can still hold on to their ground without fear. The people of CAR witnessed fire they never saw before. Our comrades in arms with only limited firepower which was imposed on them by the French because their mission was not peacekeeping but to train the national defence by offering them military skills, could by no doubts suppress the insurgents to the level of raising a white flag in a bid of negotiating for cease fire. The insurgents could be hit from far by MGLs and many of them gave up their ghosts screaming hard for their mothers. The only thing that you could hear was a cry from a young boy who ran out of ammunition because rebels could only afford to give them single magazine loaded with a mere 5-6 rounds.

I know you will ask me about equipments left behind, not even weapons but vehicles which were used for the mission. The government of SA could not bother to leave such equipment behind because everything that was in there was already bargained for and would have been left behind even after the mission was completed. The equipment were already removed from SANDF inventory and so we had nothing to lose. The only objects that were to be airlifted back to the country after the parliament took that decision were military personnel and their weapons. All tents, geckos et al were to be left behind in accordance with what the parliament has resolved.

Nigerian army was attacked by Liberian rebels who out-numbered us, we did not withdraw, we did not wait for UN or AU approval, Nigeria sent reinforcements and fought many years war until we saved our fellow black brothers by sacrifice of battalions of Nigerian blood.

South Africa failed to do in C.A.R Republic what Nigeria did in Liberia

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patches689:


I have seen it before on Janes I think

It's a command module for the Skysheild system

Prove it, stop making things up
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EVarn:
indeed,i do not support him too per se,but GEJ is too soft....too weak,he isnt a wartime president,though he has definitely done a fantastic{miraculous even} job with the economy and infracstructure but he is definitely no buhari,he doesnt have the brutality buhari possess,he lacks military vibe.if there was another strong candidate{preferably a balance of the two} ,then i would have supported him,but as it is,only buhari has the military capacity,and ruthlessness.the only other alternative i see is for GEJ to appoint a more capable COAS{like ihejerika},then i would be good with him.

Truly, the President has done a good job with the economy and infrastructure, the insurgency is a problem, but the fact is, the military would overcome, it's just a matter of time.

My problem has always been the over-politicisation of the insurgency by the presidency and the opposition. It has meant decisive action has been slow in coming. I do strongly believe though, CDS Alex Badeh and the NSA should be fired. The COAS understands there's a problem, which is very important, he's an Infantry man, and still needs time to get his policy running.

Patchesagain:


How about the Radio recordings of the Crew during the battle?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JnHOS8SIPE

((((BOOOM))))

South African army radio recordings of South African propaganda.

Why don't you record the Cuban killings of SADF Olifant tanks and Ratels ?
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Patchesagain:


It features multi-million dollar armoured vehicals... so its not cheap at all.

Didn't you get the memo

The IGIRIGI is in town.

It doesn't matter, it's part and parcel of conflict.

Patchesagain:


Nope.

FIB was the only MONUSCO unit that was allowed to attack M23, Indians were breifly involved in the Defence of Goma (which they failed at) before the FIB was deployed.

Rooivalk was called in because the Hind was found to be unable to be effective

SANDF units were commanded by South Africans.

Dude, this is established fact. I have no idea why you continue to dispute these facts.

a Nigerian will scream on top of his voice denying that Johannesburg is in south Africa....

agaugust:


South African army radio recordings of South African propaganda.

Why don't you record the Cuban killings of SADF Olifant tanks and Ratels ?
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Yeah, because the soldiers knew that one day there was gonna be a debate with one Augubu-Mubi.

Quite right.

mzilakazi:



Bihari is however more militant than your sissy Jonathan. That impressive growth rate of economy will be in danger if you do not address your security issues in no time.

The sissy Jonathan who continues to bully Zuma....... okay.

So, in 2015, you expect people to chose a coup-plotter over a democrat as their leader?

The Insurgency in the N.E is currently been decisively tackled.

Henry120:


The sissy Jonathan who continues to bully Zuma....... okay.

So, in 2015, you expect people to chose a coup-plotter over a democrat as their leader?

The Insurgency in the N.E is currently been decisively tackled.

He is a young boy to ever be in a position to bully Zuma. Besides, he is just very good at doing business with us. He is just a good boy indeed.

Henry120:

Truly,the President has done a good job with the economy and infrastructure, the insurgency is a problem, but the fact is, the military would overcome, it's just a matter of time
My problem has always been the over-politicisation of the insurgency by the presidency and the opposition.It has meant decisive action has been slow in coming.I do strongly believe though,CDS Alex Badeh and the NSA should be fired The COAS understands there's a problem which is very important,he's an Infantry man,and still need time to get his policy running

the COAS is a politician in uniform,a good COAS would stand his ground before the presidency,the senate and the house of representatives when they start politicizing things.buhari is{and was} a brutal dictator and coup plotter but if he were in power,he would have taken violent actions against boko haram and even MEND that are causing trouble,even chad would been red-flagged.GEJ should be more decisive in his actions to win next. year.

agaugust:


South African army radio recordings of South African propaganda.

Why don't you record the Cuban killings of SADF Olifant tanks and Ratels ?
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Cubans didnt kill any Olifants

How could real-life recordings made in the heat of combat be propaganda?

http://www.informationng.com/2014/boko-haram-troops-commence-offensive-to-reclaim-taken-towns.html
the NA have commenced 'operational no mercy' in the NE.it was reported that some foreign troops have joined the fight to liberate the NE towns from boko haram.nigerian tribune reports that isreali and american troops have joined the fight,and many towns currently held by boko haram have been liberated as they advance towards mubi.intelligence have been recieved that boko haram has been recieving funding and support from ISIS to strengthen there activities in nigeria and africa,several heavily armed military helicopters and jets were reported been seen in adamawa in preparation for heavy air strikes.

EVarn:
http://www.informationng.com/2014/boko-haram-troops-commence-offensive-to-reclaim-taken-towns.html
the NA have commenced 'operational no mercy' in the NE.it was reported that some foreign troops have joined the fight to liberate the NE towns from boko haram.nigerian tribune reports that isreali and american troops have joined the fight,and many towns currently held by boko haram have been liberated as they advance towards mubi.intelligence have been recieved that boko haram has been recieving funding and support from ISIS to strengthen there activities in nigeria and africa,several heavily armed military helicopters and jets were reported been seen in adamawa in preparation for heavy air strikes.

Let us hope nothing goes wrong this time and that operation no mercy is a success.

mzilakazi:



He is a young boy to ever be in a position to bully Zuma. Besides, he is just very good at doing business with us. He is just a good boy indeed.

Yeah, the way Zuma came begging and apologising after the yellow fever saga 3 south-africans sent home for every nigerian.

15 million you returned swiftly like the cowards you are.

Nigeria cannot be governed by a 72 years old coup-plotter who can't even manage his finances.

mzilakazi:


Let us hope nothing goes wrong this time and that operation no mercy is a success.

nothing is gonna go wrong,in the end,boko haram will be defeated,it is inevitable.they will be blitzed out of existence.i'm still expecting proof of you being in the force.

EVarn:
nothing is gonna go wrong,in the end,boko haram will be defeated,it is inevitable.they will be blitzed out of existence.i'm still expecting proof of you being in the force.

However, do not be that sure. War always has casualties on both sides. Jihad is not something that can be defeated easily since it is regarded as war that is condoned by Allah by those who support it. It is regarded as cancer that is spreading like wild fire.

mzilakazi:


However, do not be that sure. War always has casualties on both sides. Jihad is not something that can be defeated easily since it is regarded as war that is condoned by Allah by those who support it. It is regarded as cancer that is spreading like wild fire.

that is true indeed,they will be defeated in a grand scale and in all purpose,but it may take years to clean up in the aftermath..this is the second sensible thing you have ever posted,i find myself amazed that you can be coherent enough to make a semblance of sense...yet i find myself amused at the lies you tell,this is my second question you have avoided.show me proof that you are in the force,or be forever branded a liar.a screenshot,picture,anything....or let everyone bear witness to your deceit.i thought SANDF troops were said to be made up of honourable men,you wouldnt want to tarnish the SANDF's image,would you?

EVarn:
that is true indeed,they will be defeated in a grand scale and in all purpose,but it may take years to clean up in the aftermath..this is the second sensible thing you have ever posted,i find myself amazed that you can be coherent enough to make a semblance of sense...yet i find myself amused at the lies you tell,this is my second question you have avoided.show me proof that you are in the force,or be forever branded a liar.a screenshot,picture,anything....or let everyone bear witness to your deceit.i thought SANDF troops were said to be made up of honourable men,you wouldnt want to tarnish the SANDF's image,would you?

Sorry!! my friend that I wouldn't do. I would never by any means accede to that.

mzilakazi:


Sorry!! my friend that I wouldn't do. I would never by any means accede to that.

yet again,we find ourselves at an imparse`,what wouldnt you do?,posting proof or joining the force?....to me,you have become a liar.

mzilakazi:
Whoever claims that Nigerian military has operational anti-tank missile must be a fraudster because they could have tested it on BHs tanks. People, Nigeria is now desperate more than ever and they are in the position to use everything in their inventory to realize victory against BH. We want to see those anti-tank weapons being used if they are operational

Expensive Swingfire missiles on Boko Haram's APCs ?

How many missiles did UN forces use in Congo DRC on M23 rebels?

A waste, only one single shot from any of Nigerian army Sagaie , Scorpion, or Vickers will tear any Boko APC or T-55 tank into pieces.

Ordinary hand held RPG with HEAT ordnance will waste Boko APCs, Nigeria has thousands of RPGs.

Maybe South African army will be foolish enough to waste Ingwe missile on an gun armed rebel APC
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mzilakazi:


Let us hope nothing goes wrong this time and that operation no mercy is a success.

Thanks
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mzilakazi:


Let us hope nothing goes wrong this time and that operation no mercy is a success.

Thank you.

agaugust:



Expensive Swingfire missiles on Boko Haram's APCs ?

How many missiles did UN forces use in Congo DRC on M23 rebels?

A waste, only one single shot from any of Nigerian army Sagaie , Scorpion, or Vickers will tear any Boko APC or T-55 tank into pieces.

Ordinary hand held RPG with HEAT ordnance will waste Boko APCs, Nigeria has thousands of RPGs.

Maybe South African army will be foolish enough to waste Ingwe missile on an gun armed rebel APC
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UN never used missiles because there were none. I don't think Nigeria would have mind to use just a single anti-tank missile against BH if they had any operational missile just to prove a point. To my understanding, Nigeria does not have any operational anti-tank missile. There is no way of taking this argument further since they have failed in every aspect just to utilise a single anti-tank missile. BH has proved on different occasions to be in possession of tanks to which the anti-tank weapon has been specially developed for.

Patchesagain:


Egypt more powerfull than the British Army?

O

MY

GOD

You have proceeded to full mental impairment

Egypt about 1.5 million soldiers, about 30,000 tanks, artillery, APC, IFV, missile launchers etc

Britain about 150 thousand soldiers, about 6,000 tanks, artillery, APC, IFV, missile launchers.

You only imagine a nation is powerful because of it's name. Egypt has fought bigger modern wars against more powerful enemies than Britain has done in modern times. Britain hides many times under USA/NATO joint forces.

Even Nigeria has more artillery than Britain today, not to then mention Egypt. All Britian uses to bully people is nuclear weapons and NATO defense pact. India will defeat Britain on land, sea, and air.

Egypt will beat the British on land

Your comments are 99% voodoo logic and only 1% fact if at all there is any fact in your posts

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mzilakazi:


UN never used missiles because there were none. I don't think Nigeria would have mind to use just a single anti-tank missile against BH if they had any operational missile just to prove a point. To my understanding, Nigeria does not have any operational anti-tank missile. There is no way of taking this argument further since they have failed in every aspect just to utilise a single anti-tank missile. BH has proved on different occasions to be in possession of tanks to which the anti-tank weapon has been specially developed for.

You don't need $50,000 missiles to kill a tank when $1,000 HEAT shell from small Sagaie or Scorpion will do the job.

Reason why SANDF-SAN does not want to use expensive Exocet against enemy gunboat, they are thinking of cheaper options, read defenseweb

There is common sense in warfare, you don't have unlimited resources to waste
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ActivateKruger:


Yet your soldiers ran away in Mubi like nuts...now they are dead trying to retake Mubi.

Your photo is likely that of a Ugandan or Somalian soldier killed by El Shabab, surely NOT Nigerian army.

Will you like it if I post Congolese dead soldiers as SANDF casualties ?
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Patchesagain:


Nope.

FIB was the only MONUSCO unit that was allowed to attack M23, Indians were breifly involved in the Defence of Goma (which they failed at) before the FIB was deployed.

Rooivalk was called in because the Hind was found to be unable to be effective

SANDF units were commanded by South Africans.

Dude, this is established fact. I have no idea why you continue to dispute these facts.

Dude stop lying, Ukrainian Hinds from MONUSCO joined SAAF Rooivalks from FIB to jointly attack M23 in final battles, that news report has been posted here many times repeatedly.

Tanzanian Brigadier General commanded the whole FIB by merging your head with that of Malawi and then submerging your heads and the Malawian heads deep under Tanzanian command, control, authority, leadership and domination....that causes you HUMILIATION

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Patchesagain:


Why would the Ratel ZT3 fire all three at once?

What will happen is:

1. Ratel ZT3's fire first slavoe of Ingwe from a distance of 5km
2. Nigerian Armour cannot detect Ingwe because lol no laser warning
3. Numerous Nigerian tanks explode as though they were made from pure explodium
4. Surviving Nigerian tanks deploy smoke - because Nigeria has no weapon that can reach the Ingwe's which are 5km away
5. Smoke clears - Nigeria prepares to engage the ZT3's... but they are no where to be seen (what is shoot and scoot?)
6. While scanning for the ZT3's andother batch of Nigerian vehicals explode...

This happens two more times, once ZT3's have expended all their ammunition... they pull back to reload in safety.

That is battlefield tactics.


Conclusion: Ingwe > Swingfire
Sub Conclusion: SANDF Armor > Nigerian Armor

Mumu battlefield tactics, more like Policemen vs Armed Robbers on your street

You failed woefully because you forgot that if the SANDF Ratel can see the Nigerian army Swingfire launcher, the Nigerian too can see him, so we are both sides are alert and ready for a fight. Then you launch your Ingwe and the Nigerian sees the flashing light of the missile burning booster and the long trail of exhaust smoke exposing the Ingwe missile to public eye-view of everybody. The Swingfire man launches defensive smoke immediately.

You South Africans fight military wars like Policemen chasing robbers in Soweto, this Patches fool thinks Ingwe is targeting some poor old men blind beggars on the street who cannot see a whole armoured vehicle


Nigeria has 50 Palmaria with 1,500 HE shells for direct fire mode with the 155mm gun having 24km range and special 8 times target image magnification/enlargement periscope electronic sight to target all Your 50 Ingwe Ratels long time before they come close to Nigerian lines, your Ingwe 5km range is up against a high calibre Palmaria gun with 24km range !

SANDF is dead before they can fire one missile.

You don't know how many different weapons Nigeria can use at will? ALL SANDF Ratels are suya roasted meat before us
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Patchesagain:


Cubans didnt kill any Olifants

How could real-life recordings made in the heat of combat be propaganda?

Anybody can record lies on radio, we did not see video, clear video, full image video evidence.

You say Cuba did not kill SADF Olifant tanks? Here are Cuban youths disgracing South Africa in grand style....

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agaugust:


Mumu battlefield tactics, more like Policemen vs Armed Robbers on your street

You failed woefully because you forgot that if the SANDF Ratel can see the Nigerian army Swingfire launcher, the Nigerian too can see him, so we are both sides are alert and ready for a fight. Then you launch your Ingwe and the Nigerian sees the flashing light of the missile burning booster and the long trail of exhaust smoke exposing the Ingwe missile to public eye-view of everybody. The Swingfire man launches defensive smoke immediately.

You South Africans fight military wars like Policemen chasing robbers in Soweto, this Patches fool thinks Ingwe is targeting some poor old men blind beggars on the street who cannot see a whole armoured vehicle


Nigeria has 50 Palmaria with 2,000 HE shells for direct fire mode with the 155mm gun having 24km range and special 18 times target image magnification/enlargement periscope electronic sight to target all Your 50 Ingwe Ratels long time before they come close to Nigerian lines, your Ingwe 5km range is up against a high calibre Palmaria gun with 24km range !

SANDF is dead before they can fire one missile.

You don't know how many different weapons Nigeria can use at will? ALL SANDF Ratels are suya roasted meat before us
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So now you want to include artillery?

Moving the goalposts already?

And no, Cuban and Angolan T55s did not see the ZT3 that killed them

And if you deploy smoke then you cannot advance, or else you lose your smoke cover and are a nice target for ingwe

Deploy smoke and then you get blasted by G5s and G6's from 39km away- safe from your artillery. They can also hit moving targets, and the vulture drone will not be deceived by smoke.

Also, SPGs are terrible tank destroyers.

Can I now include Rooikat, Gripen, rooivalk, olifants, Milans, Valkyrie, Hawks et al?


feel free to move the goalposts AGAIN and you will be defeated AGAIN