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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:47am On Nov 12, 2014 |
agaugust: Three olifants were disabled in a mine field and could not be extracted and they are the only 3 SANDF tanks lost in the entire 25 year war. You said they killed them, they didn't. And again, we destroyed 90+ of their tanks in a single battle Yet you say we were humiliated? Your brain is broken 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:47am On Nov 12, 2014 |
agaugust: Other way around- Rooivalk were called in to replace the hinds And I see you have already backtracked, from: "the whole world was involed" to "all 20 MONUSCO nations" to now only saying 4 were involved The fact is that the FIB only exists because of aouth Africa South Africa was the biggest equipment provider South Africa turned the tide with the rooivalk, sf and snipers Hence the lions share of the glory goes to South Africa 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:24am On Nov 12, 2014 |
patches689: I am not moving goal posts, I am only showing you how many different ways and means Nigerian army will waste your Ingwes and Mass M.urder Ratels. You are the fools that believe Nigerian army has only AK-47 and Toyota Hilux. LOL None of the SANDF equipment you listed above has any gun with 24km range direct fire mode with X8 high power magnification telescope like Nigerian Palmaria. Ingwes and Ratels die together when they meet Nigerian army . PROVED to your chagrin . 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:30am On Nov 12, 2014 |
patches689: They replaced nothing, they jointly fought together, that news has been posted here many times. Why are you 99% a liar in your comments? Is there no man of honour in the whole of South Africa? "Another South African news outlet, DefenceWeb, reported that the Rooivalks had conducted their offensive operations against M23 positions in partnership with a pair of Mil Mi-24/35 ‘Hind’ helicopters of the FIB. The report was not clear on who was operating these Hinds, but India and Ukraine are known to have contributed such helicopters to MONUSCO – the United Nations Organization Stabilization Mission in the DR Congo." http://defense-update.com/20131107_rooivalk_combat_debut.html . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:33am On Nov 12, 2014 |
patches689: Nope, MONUSCO was involved in some last combat, and majorly was flank-guard and rear-guard protection for FIB, war is like that, you secure a theatre, not just a field of ops. Tanzania brought D-30 long range artillery and used them to decimate M23, South Africa brought in Rifles, LOL, Lion share of glory goes to Tanzania, SANDF still desperate to steal UN glory because they have no other war to show the world except Seleka rebels catastrophe . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:22am On Nov 12, 2014 |
agaugust: And you forget that South Africa has more and better ways to waste your entire armored formations. I posted a comparison between Nigerian armor and South African armor and you were so shocked and saddened that you fled the forum for a full 48 hours. Do you wish me to do it again? And you are moving the goalposts... first we are talking Ingwe v Swingfire... now you are talking about artillery? That is literally moving the goal-posts. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:24am On Nov 12, 2014 |
agaugust: Initially and then the Hinds were pulled out and only the Rooivalk was used agains the ADF in later operations. http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/1269/rooivalk-in-christmas-day-drc-action 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:26am On Nov 12, 2014 |
agaugust: Ok, so show me where you found information saying that MONUSCO was involved in Flank-guard and rear-guard protection. SANDF was the biggest contributor SANDF destroyed the M23 command and supply with SF using advanced anti-material rifles. SANDF mortar troopers were the preferred support unit for the DRC Army. And the final blow: it was the SANDF Rooivalk that defeated the M23 in the final battle. It was the SANDF Rooivalk that forces ADF to flee back into Uganda. 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 4:27am On Nov 12, 2014 |
agaugust: My friend let us cut this shot. Nigeria does not have operational anti-tank missile. They are desperate for mass firepower and could have used it if there was any, finito 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 4:29am On Nov 12, 2014 |
agaugust: Nigerian blog was where I got it.... and no you wouldn't post a dead Congolese soldier as SANDF, cammos don't match because ours is unmistakable. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:39am On Nov 12, 2014 |
agaugust: Egypt about 1.5 million soldiers, about 30,000 tanks, artillery, APC, IFV, missile launchers etc Egypt has 468,500 soldiers in its army It has 22 000 armoured vehicals - most of which are obsolete. Britain about 150 thousand soldiers, about 6,000 tanks, artillery, APC, IFV, missile launchers. Some of the most advanced and best trained soldiers in the world. Egypt has fought bigger modern wars against more powerful enemies than Britain has done in modern times. England is one of 2 nations in earth that has fought a modern air-land-sea war Egypt is not one of them. Egypt has also never won a war in its modern military history. England is undefeated since the 1770's Britain hides many times under USA/NATO joint forces. They didnt when they crossed the globe to annihilate the Argentinians. Egypt will beat the British on land The Egyptian military is poorly run, has obsolete doctrine, largely obsolete equipment and has performed terribly in every single war it has ever fought - it has yet to win one. During the Yom Kippur war a paltry Isrealy armored Divison (led by ariel sharon) defeated 800 000 Egyptian soldiers. A division defeated and trapped 3 whole army groups!! 800 000 defeated by less than 20 000!!! You see, your understanding of military matters is the same as a childs. You think numbers are everything. They arent, they never have been and never will be. In modern warfare, quality will always defeat quantity. 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 5:16am On Nov 12, 2014 |
agaugust: Tanzania, give us a break. Tanzania might be good (even better than Nigerian Forces) but they were nowhere close to accomplishing what we did. They brought in artillery because they simply dragged it in from across the border, we brought in effective machines - Rooivalks. Their SF didn't conduct behind the line operations like ours, in fact there was nothing special about their SF -Parabats are a higher crop of soldiers than them. Articles clearly state two occasions where the M23 ran across to Uganda after a defeat, first was when our Rooivalks were involved then second was when our Special Forces used snipers and mortar to overrun M23 positions which led them to flee (like Nigerian troops) to neighbouring Uganda. 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Centrifude(m): 5:33am On Nov 12, 2014 |
patches689: That guy has shown his inability to understand what he's reading, dude simply can't read he always misinterprets information, twisting facts And misleading people. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:13pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
Patchesagain: Post your NA vs SANDF armour comparison again I dare you ! I never run from this forum, I quit once in a while when I am tired of your fraud and open lies, and I always announce my quitting with reason, even the Admirals and Generals in SANDF will not make me run away in a debate, they have military training and I have it too. Ingwe Vs Swingfire, smoke defeats Ingwe laser lights, Ingwe can only travel in a straight line, Swingfire cannot be jammed by smoke, it's wire guidance makes it swing around corners and deceive the target, Swingfire is better than Ingwe, reason why Egypt still uses them after battle experience with Israeli tanks, and China is now making new wire guided missiles after realizing that smoke defeats laser beams. Swingfire is superior to Ingwe based on guidance system reliability. Nigeria has more tanks than South Africa's dry land only semi-immobile army . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:19pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
ActivateKruger: I have proved with sources that the air war was joint operation between MONUSCO Mi-35 Hinds of Ukraine and FIB Rooivalks of South Africa, the glory belongs to United Nations led by army Generals from Brazil and Tanzania. "Another South African news outlet, DefenceWeb, reported that the Rooivalks had conducted their offensive operations against M23 positions in partnership with a pair of Mil Mi-24/35 ‘Hind’ helicopters of the FIB. The report was not clear on who was operating these Hinds, but India and Ukraine are known to have contributed such helicopters to MONUSCO – the United Nations Organization Stabilization Mission in the DR Congo." http://defense-update.com/20131107_rooivalk_combat_debut.html CASE CLOSED |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:44pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
Photo of the day. Russian SU-35 at the ongoing Chinese Aerospace and defence expo.
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:56pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
Patchesagain: Everything you wrote above is defeated by the fact that you don't know Egypt has about 1.5 million soldiers. About 500,000 regulars and 1 million trained reserves. Egypt's last war with Israel was a draw/stalemate and Israel was almost overwhelmed. Britain defeated Argentina that had zero war experience and an army of youth conscripts who surrender without common sense. I an not comparing air and sea, I said Egyptian army is more powerful than British army today. Egyptian equipment includes modern 1990s to 2000s year generation American-European tanks and missiles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_of_the_modern_Egyptian_Army Britain is NOT any better, Britain is much smaller in equipment and out-numbered 10 times in infantry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Army#Weapons_inventory You make fraudulent claims and struggle to escape the traps you set for yourself . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:06pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
agaugust: Hey numbnutz Smoke obscures the target If the gunner cannot see the target he cannot guide the Swingfire onto the target Conclusion: Smoke also defeats the Swingfire Also, you have no laser-warning. So you will only know the Ingwe is there after the first batch of Nigerian tanks explode. Nigeria has inferior tanks to the SANDF. 1 Like
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:09pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
agaugust: Yes, initially. Hinds were then withdrawn after the first attacks against M23 because the Hind was found to be inferior. http://www.africandefence.net/after-23-years-rooivalks-fire-first-shots-in-drc/ Rooivalks were the only asset used against the ADF At first, the U.N. mostly supplied logistics and intelligence, probably relying on its new fleet of surveillance drones. But the MONUSCO peacekeeping force also deployed helicopter gunships to reduce ADF defenses around one of their last strongholds. The three South African Rooivalk copters fired 20-millimeter cannons and unguided missiles. https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-u-n-goes-after-the-next-rebel-group-in-congo-f7ba02b65a96 You can misquote as many sources as you want. And use as much outdates info as you want. The facts remain unchanged 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 1:11pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
You know, I was thinking - The official story from the Nigerian military about the jet that crashed is that "we are still looking for it". That story never changed. It is funny when I see posts here complaining about "terrorist propaganda". That's all. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:13pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
agaugust: Egyptian army is a conscript army as well, hence Egyptian Military = Argentine Military 3 Egyptian Army Groups of some 800 000 men were defeated by one Isrealy Armored Division. The Yom Kappur War was a decisive Isrealy victory. Modern Egypt has never won a war. The United Kingdom has never lost a war since 1770. The British Army is superior in every single way, and has combat experience which the Egyptians do not. Numbers do not count for anything in modern warfare, as was shown by Isreal. Please, dont let me stop you, continue to embarrass yourself. Also: Show me my fraudulent claims - do you want me to post a list of your fraudulent claims? 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:15pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
agaugust: Consult the archives. The conclusion was: Every single piece of SANDF equipment is superior to every peice of Nigerian equipment. In every way. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:16pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
agaugust: No, what happens is you lose an argument. Claim everything is fraud and run away to have a sulk. And you have no military training. Just like you dont live in America. 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:19pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
agaugust: Last chinese wire guided ATGM to enter service is the HJ-8 which was developed in the 1970's. I guess that is another statement i can add to your list of lies. Infact, China has developed 5 ATGM's since the HJ-8 and none of them are wire-guided. 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 2:20pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
agaugust: Nigeria does not have anti-tank missile, hopefully they are all nonoperational. There is no need to argue on this. BH had always been roving around with APC and tanks which were way far more expensive in comparison to swingfire missile. My conclusion stand, Nigeria does not have operational anti-tank missile. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 3:36pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
agaugust: They wont run away from you, they wouldn't even have time for your BS
Here is a lunatic defending ancient technology... the world abandoned wire-guided technology for a reason - The range is shorter, can you fire you Swingfire at 5km away like the Ingwe? No - The cables can always snap rendering the missile useless Swingfire can be blocked by smoke because the shooter will miss his target if he cant see it.
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 3:37pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
DieVluit:http://www.punchng.com/news/fishermen-find-fighter-jet-near-river-benue/ |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 3:43pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
mzilakazi:nonsense talk.check this out; http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-32118/ those arent even the latest.2013 and 2014s' delivery havent been publicized. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 3:44pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
agaugust: On the very first attach the Rooivalks were accompanied by Hinds, but as soon as the noticed the effectiveness of the Rooivalk, it became the helicopter of choice - after all the Rooivalk is the best helicopter in Sub-Saharan Africa.. one of the best in the world 2 Likes
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 3:53pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
SANDF the military of choice
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 4:21pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
ActivateKruger: I hope you don't believe this lie, you're currently telling? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 4:29pm On Nov 12, 2014 |
EVarn: The fact that it is there does not mean that it is still operational. Obsolence of weapons is what consumes many militaries in Africa. |
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