mzilakazi:


All that you mentioned above apply to Nigeria.

we fought biafra,we exscorted chadian troops back deep into their territory,apart from our many peace keeping and COIN battles around the world,we are now fighting boko haram terrorists in the NE.what has SA done more than snap an album of useless pictures?.seleka rebels,M23 and the korean war werent south african wars,they were wars fought by a conglomerate of nations,which SA was part of e.g UN and AU missions.the cuban-angolan war was a circus gone wrong,where you pleaded for a cease fire deal.

mzilakazi:



Hope you indulge on this.

http://www.citypress.co.za/news/fleeing-car-not-an-option-sandf-chief/



http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2013-04-02-da-to-zuma-get-the-troops-out-of-the-central-african-republic/

when challenged,you scamper off to google for fake proof,that isnt gonna work here.the fact remains tha the SANDF troops were pulled out of CAR because they were incompetent.period.

EVarn:
we fought biafra,we exscorted chadian troops back deep into their territory,apart from our many peace keeping and COIN battles around the world,we are now fighting boko haram terrorists in the NE.what has SA done more than snap an album of useless pictures?.seleka rebels,M23 and the korean war werent south african wars,they were wars fought by a conglomerate of nations,which SA was part of e.g UN and AU missions.the cuban-angolan war was a circus gone wrong,where you pleaded for a cease fire deal.

Do you mean Biafra when you were fighting with knobkerries? Please, I do not want to hear long stories of peacekeeping missions.

EVarn:
when challenged,you scamper off to google for fake proof,that isnt gonna work here.the fact remains tha the SANDF troops were pulled out of CAR because they were incompetent.period.

Then, if you do not believe it I really don't know what to say. The government of SA ordered us to withdraw from CAR and we never ran away like how your troops are always fleeing around.

Nope, we were ordered to leave because of many rebels which were killed majority of whom were kids.

mzilakazi:



Do you mean Biafra when you were fighting with knobkerries? Please, I do not want to hear long stories of peacekeeping missions.

what "knobkerries" are warfling about?,biafran soldiers were as trained as nigerian soldiers,they recieved the same training,read the same books,even strategized together!,biafra was nigeria before they ran renegade,so what "knobkerries" are you alluding to?.fighting biafra was like fighting another country.try to make sense love.

EVarn:
what "knobkerries" are warfling about?,biafran soldiers were as trained as nigerian soldiers,they recieved the same training,read the same books,even strategized together!,biafra was nigeria before they ran renegade,so what "knobkerries" are you alluding to?.fighting biafra was like fighting another country.try to make sense love.

Biafran war as a whole was never a modern war at all.

mzilakazi:


Then, if you do not believe it I really don't know what to say. The government of SA ordered us to withdraw from CAR and we never ran away like how your troops are always fleeing around.

Nope, we were ordered to leave because of many rebels which were killed majority of whom were kids.

but you said that you were ordered out because the parliament didnt want SA to look imperialistic and so as not to offend france and the west{your masters},now you have moved the goalpost to saying "too many children died".you are so consistently inconsistent.

mzilakazi:


Biafran war as a whole was never a modern war at all.

not modern?!,which one have you successfully fought?

Hunters fight better than Nigerian army. They overpowered BH and recapture Maiha.


http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/local-hunters-kill-80-boko-haram-members-recapture-maiha/193850/

mzilakazi:
Nigerian military will not stand a chance against SANDF, period. They won't be able to stand even 3days of a high-tempo battle. Those cowards will run like never before.

empty boasts and blind arrogance that didnt save you from seleka rebels and cuban teenage boys.

EVarn:
but you said that you were ordered out because the parliament didnt want SA to look imperialistic and so as not to offend france and the west{your masters},now you have moved the goalpost to saying "too many children died".you are so consistently inconsistent.

Of course yes. Imperialism as in extending our power over to another country with the view of colonising them.

EVarn:
empty boasts and blind arrogance that didnt save you from seleka rebels and cuban teenage boys.

All of which I have slaughtered bitterly. Seleka will confess to you that just only 200 SANDF soldiers are not a toy to play with and the Cuban will narrate the same story. Fidel Castro lost many men to the extend of sending thousands and thousands close to 40 000 against just 2500 SANDF soldiers.

Henry120:


Like South-Africa, not Nigeria.

All most all of your equipment is obsolete

We do not have the same problem.

agaugust:


Smoke does not jam wires guidance, smoke jams laser and your Ingwe is the victim, our Swingfire is the victor.

Ratel has no radar to detect the Swingfire, they need to see Nigerian infantry, and SANDF is driving outside in a vehicle, Nigerian Swingfire is hiding in a house, behind wall, in the bush or behind a barrier/obstacle, so Nigeria sees South Africa, you will not see us.

Fact is that we are launching the Swingfire before you launch the Ingwe, that is the bid battlefield operational disadvantage SANDF will face driving armoured vehicles in the open streets or fields against Nigerian army Swingfire tank-killer missiles that are hand/tripod stand controlled and hidden from view.....Ratels die without knowing how we killed t.hem all. PITY PITY PITY PITY

PHOTO ONE : SANDF RATEL WITH INGWE MISSILE EXPOSED ON THE FIELD AND EASY TO KILL

PHOTO TWO : ANTI-TANK MISSILE LIKE NIGERIAN ARMY SWINGFIRE HIDDEN FROM VIEW TO KILL THE UNLUCKY RATEL AND INGWE


SANDF IS WIPED OUT. CASE CLOSED !!!
.

Augustus.

You densemotherfucker

If the gunner cannot see the target he cannot land the swingfire on the target

Smoke prevents the gunner from seeing the target

Or do you think the swingfire is guided by magic?

agaugust:


Nigeria bought Swingfire about same time with Roland, we display the Roland till today, so the missiles are good. We do not display the Swingfire same way we don't display our army SA-7 missiles and Blowpipe missiles too. We are not Photomaniacs like you show boys who don't know real war except under Tanzanian leadership commanding SANDF like Masai cattle rearers control cows in the field.
.

Swingfires have passed their sell-by date. They dont work anymore

#ShowUsNigerianArmyFiringSwingfire

agaugust:


Only a foolish army like South Africa will use high value missiles against low value Boko Haram APCs when a single cheap hand held Nigerian army RPG will wreck Boko APCs, Nigeria has thousands of RPGs.

I thought you said you are a soldier, so you don't know RPG with HEAT shell as cheap as it is, will destroy T-55 tanks and APCs ?

No wonder SANDF was under Tanzanian army control in Congo DRC, you guys are more like glorified policemen.

Egypt and oil rich Saudi Arabia are still using the same Swingfire today, so obsolete in your dreams. Ratel itself is an obsolete vehicle, and Valour frigates Exocet block II became obsolete as block III replaced them in France. South African navy frigates have no missiles that can kill.

Simple.

First, only a nigerian would waste the lives of his soldiers getting close to take out a BH APC with an RPG. South Africans value the lives of their men and as such would rather destroy it from standoff distance

Saudi has more modern and advanced ATGM's than the Swingfire, same with Egypt. And America, France, Germany, England (a.k.a all the worlds major powers) are getting rid of wire guided. While the British who invented the Swingfire have gotten rid of it as well.

Lol, how do you come to the conclusion that the Exocet Block 2 cannot kill? Go ask the Royal Navy if the Exocet Block 2 can kill.

agaugust:


[size=16pt] Soweto fool, you don't need anti-tank missile to kill an APC, ordinary one man cheap RPG with HEAT warhead will destroy an APC....Soweto fool.

South African navy frigates old Exocet missiles cannot kill like Swingfire cannot kill, get it? Yes you get it.

Olodo
.[/size]

#VodooLogic101

agaugust:


Mokopa missile does NOT exist in SANDF arsenal and will NEVER be.

Now Show us a picture of a South African Milan missile being fired
.

Milan and Makopa

agaugust:


Only a foolish army like South Africa will use high value missiles against low value Boko Haram APCs when a single cheap hand held Nigerian army RPG will wreck Boko APCs, Nigeria has thousands of RPGs.

I thought you said you are a soldier, so you don't know RPG with HEAT shell as cheap as it is, will destroy T-55 tanks and APCs ?



Simple.

Agububu, stop coming up with stories - show us a Nigerian Swingfire being fired.

This is just to correct or rather adjust attitudes since some of you suffer woeful misconceptions for this day and age. BH was and still is a Western control mechanism-just like the debt enslavement tentacles of the WB/IMF or skewed global trading systems that confer huge profits on Euro manufacturers when 3rd world suppliers get peanuts, false flag terror is simply the sharp end of this control mechanism.
Saffers, you really should investigate why you haven't suffered terror like Naij or Kenya. Yes,you're convinced its your superior military/intel networks but the answer isn't that flattering-all along you guys have never really attempted to throw off the Rothschild yoke. 1994 was simply a stylistic generational leadership;nothing more nothing less. Don't get me wrong; Mandela in his own way was a genuine leader but he was beholden to the same Global Elite that control the World.
Look!
[img]http://4.bp..com/-arWy8YaM7xA/UqgJMicOImI/AAAAAAABBnU/3gPYoQRDmKY/s320/mandela+(1).jpg[/img]

Also,he was very close,too close in the eyes of many ANC cadres to S A's real rulers,the Jews,the richest homogenous community on the continent. No surprise since the Mossad trained him back in 1962.

http://karanjazplace..com/2014/05/who-was-nelson-mandela.html
I challenge any of you to disconfirm Jews,Zionists,actually had a disproportionate influence over Mandela and that they still don't dominate SA politics. He followed all their dictates on the DRC,the Tutsis and AIDS indirectly allowing a slaughter that has now killed at least 6 mn in the Great Lakes since the mid 90s.
Mbeki,to his everlasting credit challenged these narratives. He forever shattered the conventional wisdom on HIV/AIDS and changed the Great Lakes policy-for which the Anglo Zionists made him pay. In late 2001,the rand lost 30%. Even economists said it was a complete mystery since the standard indicators were all sound. Does anyone remember? At the same time such an avalanche of negative press dominated the Anglo press one would have thought him the ringleader of the 911 hijackers. In fact that episode is a case study in media manipulation and imagineering.
Anyway,its all moot,a few years later they pulled strings,Mbeki was shown the door and Zuma came in.
Point being? The day you challenge your tiny share of Rothschild mandated profits of your minerals is the day you'll see the reality of the way the world works. I know many of you are young but when you decide to be more than a giant Botswana,whose sole raison d'etre is a source of raw diamonds you'll know what I'm talking about.

The terrorists arrived suddenly at 4:00 p.m. that ill-fated Wednesday, November 5, catching the Nigerian soldiers and their commanders off-guard. As they invaded the headquarters of the 174 Battalion, Abadan Local Government Area of Borno State, located close to the Nigerian border with Niger, the Boko Haram insurgents, in hundreds, began to shoot sporadically in all directions.

According to witnesses, the terrorists were led into the battalion headquarters by insurgents bearing a number of Rocket Propelled Grenades (a shoulder-launched anti-tank weapon) and machine guns mounted on Hilux vans. Other insurgents, bearing AK-47 rifles, followed behind, shooting and chanting "Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar" (May God be praised).

For minutes, the attackers were repelled by Nigerian soldiers who returned fire, and at some point, appeared to be gaining the upper hand, our sources said.

But the troops capitulated shortly after more insurgents advanced on the camp from several directions, hurling grenades at them and shooting non-stop, our sources said. The soldiers fled the scene as it became clear they were less armed and prepared for battle.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201411130220.html

Several Nigerian soldiers who took part in the fighting have narrated how Boko Haram secured yet again another victory over government forces, a defeat they blamed on their arms and the morale of the fighting force.

Boko Haram has seized many towns and communities in recent months, sacking security facilities while soldiers flee, in what appears the worst defeat yet for the Nigerian military since the insurgents launched a bloody campaign in 2009.

The 174 Battalion, which was moved from its Lagos base to the Nigerien border in Nigeria's bid to rev up the war against the extremist Boko Haram sect, had over 300 soldiers. Over a thousand insurgents attacked the troops, witnesses said.

Before long, military insiders said, the soldiers began to abandon the battle in droves, throwing away their uniforms and yielding their arms to the terrorists. The terrorists followed in pursuit as majority of the soldiers and officers fled across the border into neighbouring Niger where some of them were hospitalized.

A yet unknown number of soldiers were killed; some declared missing while several others were injured, our sources said.

After the Nigerian soldiers fled, military officials said, the Boko Haram insurgents ransacked the camp, looting the battalion armoury and offices.

"They went away with every weapon we had," one of the soldiers who partook in the battle told PREMIUM TIMES. "RPGs, armoured tanks, rifles, ammunition, I mean everything. As we are now, we have nothing. They have gone away with everything."

He added, "We were simply overpowered. They were far more in number and the weapons they carried were far more than what we had. They could have finished all of us if we hadn't fled."

The spokesperson of the Defence Headquarters, Chris Olukolade, did not answer or return calls seeking comment for this story.

But a top military commander, who asked not to be named because he was not authorized to speak on the matter, confirmed the incident to PREMIUM TIMES.

"I can't confirm to you that it happened but we have managed to bring back the soldiers to Nigeria," the general said. "The matter is being investigated."

He blamed the incident on cowardice by soldiers of the battalion saying, "Initially, they were talking of weapons. But the weapons have started arriving. The problem now is the mentality of our soldiers. A lot of them are just cowards and should not have been recruited into the Army in the first place. The fact is if you don't have the mentality of a soldier, you can't fight a battle no matter the sophistication of your arm."

The November 5 attack on the battalion was the second on the formation by Boko Haram. On August 4, 2013, the insurgents attacked the battalion, killing 15 soldiers and wounding several others.

Before the November 5 attack, some soldiers of the battalion had told PREMIUM TIMES their morale was at an all-time low.

"A lot of us have been here for more than two years without being allowed to see our family," one soldier said "We were to be here for six months but we have now been abandoned here for two years. We are missing our families and our morale is zero. Some of us are even considering going on AWOL (away without official leave)."

mzilakazi:



Of course yes. Imperialism as in extending our power over to another country with the view of colonising them.

i know what imperialism means,and i can tell you that you werent close to being imperialistic in CAR,to me their is nothing like "imperialism",you are either powerful or not.a simple peace keeping mission to liberate another country from war is imperialistic in its own way.what "power" do you think you have?,just because you were called into CAR to do police job,so you think that you have clout?,dont make me laugh,give tanzania a few more tanks,missiles,jets and troops,and they will out-match you.

mzilakazi:


All of which I have slaughtered bitterly. Seleka will confess to you that just only 200 SANDF soldiers are not a toy to play with and the Cuban will narrate the same story. Fidel Castro lost many men to the extend of sending thousands and thousands close to 40 000 against just 2500 SANDF soldiers.

you slaughtered them bitterly?*oh i'm quivering in my boots,what{God forbid} if he slaughters me too!*..hahahahaha...were you in the force during the cuban war?,how old are you then?,you must be getting old...because you claim to have slaughtered cuban boys!....better go train your dunderhead army in musketry,to avoid future embarassment.

EVarn:
i know what imperialism means,and i can tell you that you werent close to being imperialistic in CAR,to me their is nothing like "imperialism",you are either powerful or not.a simple peace keeping mission to liberate another country from war is imperialistic in its own way.what "power" do you think you have?,just because you were called into CAR to do police job,so you think that you have clout?,dont make me laugh,give tanzania a few more tanks,missiles,jets and troops,and they will out-match you.

My friend the international media particularly French media were starting to circulate rumours that we were protecting our interests in CAR. There were rumours that SA was merely interested in CARs minerals and energy.



http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71654?oid=367155&sn=Detail&pid=71654



http://www.enca.com/africa/were-sandf-car-protect-anc-interests

EVarn:
you slaughtered them bitterly?*oh i'm quivering in my boots,what{God forbid} if he slaughters me too!*..hahahahaha...were you in the force during the cuban war?,how old are you then?,you must be getting old...because you claim to have slaughtered cuban boys!....better go train your dunderhead army in musketry,to avoid future embarassment.

Yes, we slaughtered Seleka rebels in large numbers. There were just gnashing of teeth and screams from poorly armed rebels asking for a cease fire. Seleka only managed to kill our comrades in an ambush which they layed on the way back from the airport after Bozize was escorted out of the country. They however tried to attack our base after some of our comrades who were caught in an ambush retreated back to the base. That was where they met the ghost alive as many lost their lives. We outshined them with greater margin beyond any reasonable doubt with only limited firepower. Just imagine how was it going to be like if we had all our powerful sophisticated weapons from SA.

SANDF

mzilakazi:



My friend the international media particularly French media were starting to circulate rumours that we were protecting our interests in CAR. There were rumours that SA was merely interested in CARs minerals and energy.



http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71654?oid=367155&sn=Detail&pid=71654



http://www.enca.com/africa/were-sandf-car-protect-anc-interests

more falacies to be dismissed.the fact still remains,old man, that you chickened out of CAR,dont run to google for bail-outs when you are feeling the heat of common sense.french jealousy or not,if you were prepared for battle,you would have fought notwithstanding france's wrath.this is africa,this is your domain,but you failed in your domain.no one dictated terms with nigeria when we stormed liberia and seirra leonne.all the rest does not hold water in a basket.

mzilakazi:


Biafran war as a whole was never a modern war at all.

1967 is not modern times, it's almost half a century ago.

EVarn:
more falacies to be dismissed.the fact still remains,old man, that you chickened out of CAR,dont run to google for bail-outs when you are feeling the heat of common sense.french jealousy or not,if you were prepared for battle,you would have fought notwithstanding france's wrath.this is africa,this is your domain,but you failed in your domain.no one dictated terms with nigeria when we stormed liberia and seirra leonne.all the rest does not hold water in a basket.

I am not running to Google, I simply want to substantiate my assertions with evidence. SANDF never chickened out of CAR like what Nigerian troops do in their own country. We were commanded by the SA government through resolution by the parliament to leave CAR immediately. That is the high command that not even the Chief of SANDF nor the president can defy.

EVarn:
more falacies to be dismissed.the fact still remains,old man, that you chickened out of CAR,dont run to google for bail-outs when you are feeling the heat of common sense.french jealousy or not,if you were prepared for battle,you would have fought notwithstanding france's wrath.this is africa,this is your domain,but you failed in your domain.no one dictated terms with nigeria when we stormed liberia and seirra leonne.all the rest does not hold water in a basket.

This drivel is beyond belief

mzilakazi:

Yes, we slaughtered Seleka rebels in large numbers. There were just gnashing of teeth and screams from poorly armed rebels asking for a cease fire.....
....They however tried to attack our base after some of our comrades who were caught in an ambush retreated back to the base. That was where they met the ghost alive as many lost their lives. We outshined them with greater margin beyond any reasonable doubt with only limited firepower. Just imagine how was it going to be like if we had all our powerful sophisticated weapons from SA.

asinine chest-beating of an enraged gorilla.you didnt fight an organized militia,you fought kwashiokor striken adolescents who thought shooting a gun was funny,only to be saved by sausage eaters who think brandishing rifles is sexy.all details about how you were ambushed and slaughtered is history.you said that you fought the cuban war?,you must have been a cook on the seleka battlefield