Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:00am On Nov 13, 2014 |
Thiza:
The terrorists arrived suddenly at 4:00 p.m. that ill-fated Wednesday, November 5, catching the Nigerian soldiers and their commanders off-guard. As they invaded the headquarters of the 174 Battalion, Abadan Local Government Area of Borno State, located close to the Nigerian border with Niger, the Boko Haram insurgents, in hundreds, began to shoot sporadically in all directions.
According to witnesses, the terrorists were led into the battalion headquarters by insurgents bearing a number of Rocket Propelled Grenades (a shoulder-launched anti-tank weapon) and machine guns mounted on Hilux vans. Other insurgents, bearing AK-47 rifles, followed behind, shooting and chanting "Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar" (May God be praised).
For minutes, the attackers were repelled by Nigerian soldiers who returned fire, and at some point, appeared to be gaining the upper hand, our sources said.
But the troops capitulated shortly after more insurgents advanced on the camp from several directions, hurling grenades at them and shooting non-stop, our sources said. The soldiers fled the scene as it became clear they were less armed and prepared for battle.
http://allafrica.com/stories/201411130220.html
Several Nigerian soldiers who took part in the fighting have narrated how Boko Haram secured yet again another victory over government forces, a defeat they blamed on their arms and the morale of the fighting force.
Boko Haram has seized many towns and communities in recent months, sacking security facilities while soldiers flee, in what appears the worst defeat yet for the Nigerian military since the insurgents launched a bloody campaign in 2009.
The 174 Battalion, which was moved from its Lagos base to the Nigerien border in Nigeria's bid to rev up the war against the extremist Boko Haram sect, had over 300 soldiers. Over a thousand insurgents attacked the troops, witnesses said.
Before long, military insiders said, the soldiers began to abandon the battle in droves, throwing away their uniforms and yielding their arms to the terrorists. The terrorists followed in pursuit as majority of the soldiers and officers fled across the border into neighbouring Niger where some of them were hospitalized.
A yet unknown number of soldiers were killed; some declared missing while several others were injured, our sources said.
After the Nigerian soldiers fled, military officials said, the Boko Haram insurgents ransacked the camp, looting the battalion armoury and offices.
"They went away with every weapon we had," one of the soldiers who partook in the battle told PREMIUM TIMES. "RPGs, armoured tanks, rifles, ammunition, I mean everything. As we are now, we have nothing. They have gone away with everything."
He added, "We were simply overpowered. They were far more in number and the weapons they carried were far more than what we had. They could have finished all of us if we hadn't fled."
The spokesperson of the Defence Headquarters, Chris Olukolade, did not answer or return calls seeking comment for this story.
But a top military commander, who asked not to be named because he was not authorized to speak on the matter, confirmed the incident to PREMIUM TIMES.
"I can't confirm to you that it happened but we have managed to bring back the soldiers to Nigeria," the general said. "The matter is being investigated."
He blamed the incident on cowardice by soldiers of the battalion saying, "Initially, they were talking of weapons. But the weapons have started arriving. The problem now is the mentality of our soldiers. A lot of them are just cowards and should not have been recruited into the Army in the first place. The fact is if you don't have the mentality of a soldier, you can't fight a battle no matter the sophistication of your arm."
The November 5 attack on the battalion was the second on the formation by Boko Haram. On August 4, 2013, the insurgents attacked the battalion, killing 15 soldiers and wounding several others.
Before the November 5 attack, some soldiers of the battalion had told PREMIUM TIMES their morale was at an all-time low.
"A lot of us have been here for more than two years without being allowed to see our family," one soldier said "We were to be here for six months but we have now been abandoned here for two years. We are missing our families and our morale is zero. Some of us are even considering going on AWOL (away without official leave)."
Fake story, read the bolded part....Nigerian army 174 battalion has about 300 soldiers....LOL ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) No full battalion in Nigeria is less than 600 soldiers ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) Anyway, premium times is known for cooking up stories that no other news media is confirming ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:02am On Nov 13, 2014 |
Patchesagain:
Augustus.
You densemotherfucker
If the gunner cannot see the target he cannot land the swingfire on the target
Smoke prevents the gunner from seeing the target
Or do you think the swingfire is guided by magic?
Forget the smoke, we don't need to use it.Fact is that we are launching the Swingfire before you launch the Ingwe, that is the big battlefield operational disadvantage SANDF will face driving armoured vehicles in the open streets or fields against Nigerian army Swingfire tank-killer missiles that are hand/tripod stand controlled and hidden from view behind bushes, shrubs, or houses/windows.....Ratels die without knowing how we killed t.hem all. PITY ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png) PITY ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png) PITY PHOTO ONE : SANDF RATEL WITH INGWE MISSILE EXPOSED ON THE FIELD AND EASY TO KILL PHOTO TWO : ANTI-TANK MISSILE LIKE NIGERIAN ARMY SWINGFIRE HIDDEN FROM VIEW TO KILL THE UNLUCKY RATEL AND INGWE SANDF IS WIPED OUT. GO KISS YOUR CANVAS SHOES IN THE MUD. PITY ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png) .
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 10:04am On Nov 13, 2014 |
@AUGUSTUS DONT START WITH ME WITH YOUR LIES...THIS FORUM IS LITTERED THOUSANDS OF LIES FROM YOUR RAG TAG ARMY....FORM TACTICAL RETREAT TO STRATEGIC POSITIONING OF THE SOLDIERS AND YET ONE FACT REMAIN RUNNING AWAY IS RUNNING AWAY....NOT ME SAYING BUT NIGERIANS....IF NOT SO WHY THE COURT MARSHALL CASES |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 10:05am On Nov 13, 2014 |
Thiza: SANDF Wow!!! just look at how that troop is carrying his rifle. That's what we call a perfect art in musketry. That's how rifles should be handled, not like how that Nigerian troop from the picture posted by @Agaugust carried his AK. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 10:06am On Nov 13, 2014 |
agaugust:
1967 is not modern times, it's almost half a century ago.
hahahaha....see finishing! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:07am On Nov 13, 2014 |
Thiza: @AUGUSTUS DONT START WITH ME WITH YOUR LIES...THIS FORUM IS LITTERED THOUSANDS OF LIES FROM YOUR RAG TAG ARMY....FORM TACTICAL RETREAT TO STRATEGIC POSITIONING OF THE SOLDIERS AND YET ONE FACT REMAIN RUNNING AWAY IS RUNNING AWAY....NOT ME SAYING BUT NIGERIANS....IF NOT SO WHY THE COURT MARSHALL CASES 30,000 soldiers in battle, but only far less than 300 court-martialed, means 99% of Nigerian army is brave enough to fight the devil himself . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 10:09am On Nov 13, 2014 |
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:10am On Nov 13, 2014 |
Patchesagain:
Milan and Makopa Mokopa is NOT in service. The Milan in your photo is NOT being fired. Show me Milan missile being fired by SANDF now ! . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 10:10am On Nov 13, 2014 |
mzilakazi:
I am not running to Google, I simply want to substantiate my assertions with evidence. SANDF never chickened out of CAR like what Nigerian troops do in their own country. We were commanded by the SA government through resolution by the parliament to leave CAR immediately. That is the high command that not even the Chief of SANDF nor the president can defy. *scoff* same A B C D....alphabeth combinations that carries no rhum. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 10:13am On Nov 13, 2014 |
Patchesagain:
This drivel is beyond belief ^then prove it wrong.dont just sit there scratching your bald head and staring dumbly. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 10:14am On Nov 13, 2014 |
EVarn: asinine chest-beating of an enraged gorilla.you didnt fight an organized militia,you fought kwashiokor striken adolescents who thought shooting a gun was funny,only to be saved by sausage eaters who think brandishing rifles is sexy.all details about how you were ambushed and slaughtered is history.you said that you fought the cuban war?,you must have been a cook on the seleka battlefield. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 10:14am On Nov 13, 2014 |
agaugust:
1967 is not modern times, it's almost half a century ago.
Biafran war was no where near being modern warfare but a war filled with knobkerries and machetes. No missiles, No modern fighter jets, etc. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:16am On Nov 13, 2014 |
mzilakazi:
Wow!!! just look at how that troop is carrying his rifle. That's what we call a perfect art in musketry. That's how rifles should be handled, not like how that Nigerian troop from the picture posted by @Agaugust carried his AK. He was not firing, he was taking a picture at a moment of no enemy engagement. Are you a 3 year old boy that cannot think? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 10:21am On Nov 13, 2014 |
agaugust:
Mokopa is NOT in service.
The Milan in your photo is NOT being fired.
Show me Milan missile being fired by SANDF now ! . SANDF fire missiles every time in the battle school when doing exercises. It is not a new thing to us. We fire ingwe on useless targets which are by far cheaper than the missile. Nigeria fail to fire one single missile on BHs APC or tank while they are pushed over the edge. Is this not enough to conclude that your 1980s swingfire has now rundown to just a white elephant. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:23am On Nov 13, 2014 |
mzilakazi:
Biafran war was no where near being modern warfare but a war filled with knobkerries and machetes. No missiles, No modern fighter jets, etc. Biafran war had the jets of that time, MiG-17 jet fighters, L-29 Delfin jet fighters and Ilyushi-28 jet bombers. That was one of the best air forces in Africa in 1967-1970. It had the artillery, APC, tank busters, mortar, Bofors anti-aircraft guns of that time. Biafra was africa's biggest war after WW II with about 500,000 men on both sides, 100,000 soldiers died .
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 10:25am On Nov 13, 2014 |
agaugust:
He was not firing, he was taking a picture at a moment of no enemy engagement. Are you a 3 year old boy that cannot think? That's not anything new and that's what we know that all militaries in sub-saharan apart from SA carry their rifles that way. It is something that I knew all this while. Just make that research and you will support my statement. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 10:29am On Nov 13, 2014 |
agaugust:
Biafran war had the jets of that time, MiG-17 jet fighters, L-29 Delfin jet fighters and Ilyushi-28 jet bombers.
That was one of the best air forces in Africa in 1967-1970.
It had the artillery, APC, tank busters, mortar, Bofors anti-aircraft guns of that time.
Biafra was africa's biggest war after WW II with about 500,000 men on both sides, 100,000 soldiers died . A Biafran war was nothing but a bloody civil war no where near being modern at all and instead majority of people lost their lives through butchery than being shot at. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:29am On Nov 13, 2014 |
mzilakazi:
SANDF fire missiles every time in the battle school when doing exercises. It is not a new thing to us. We fire ingwe on useless targets which are by far cheaper than the missile. Nigeria fail to fire one single missile on BHs APC or tank while they are pushed over the edge. Is this not enough to conclude that your 1980s swingfire has now rundown to just a white elephant. Show us proof. I know SANDF has only 25 units of IRIS-T missiles for 26 Gripen jets and has NEVER fired one of them in 7 years, because they will finish, there is already a shortage, 26 jets share 25 missiles, each Gripen jet gets 0.96 missile each, less than one missile ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 10:32am On Nov 13, 2014 |
mzilakazi:
A Biafran war was nothing but a bloody civil war no where near being modern at all and instead majority of people lost their lives through butchery than being shot at. Vietnam war and Korean wars are all civil wars. Angolan civil war was tougher than SANDF Vs Cuba where inexperienced kids fought 4,000 SANDF that was mixed with UNITA men of Angola who formed the bulk of SANDF side. . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 10:35am On Nov 13, 2014 |
agaugust:
Show us proof. I know SANDF has only 25 units of IRIS-T missiles for 26 Gripen jets and has NEVER fired one of them in 7 years, because they will finish, there is already a shortage, 26 jets share 25 missiles, each Gripen jet gets 0.96 missile each, less than one missile ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png)
. I told you we fire anti-tank missile like nobody's business. IRIS-T subject was never brought by me. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 10:37am On Nov 13, 2014 |
Thiza:
The terrorists arrived suddenly at 4:00 p.m. that ill-fated Wednesday, November 5, catching the Nigerian soldiers and their commanders off-guard. As they invaded the headquarters of the 174 Battalion, Abadan Local Government Area of Borno State, located close to the Nigerian border with Niger, the Boko Haram insurgents, in hundreds, began to shoot sporadically in all directions.
According to witnesses, the terrorists were led into the battalion headquarters by insurgents bearing a number of Rocket Propelled Grenades (a shoulder-launched anti-tank weapon) and machine guns mounted on Hilux vans. Other insurgents, bearing AK-47 rifles, followed behind, shooting and chanting "Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar" (May God be praised).
For minutes, the attackers were repelled by Nigerian soldiers who returned fire, and at some point, appeared to be gaining the upper hand, our sources said.
But the troops capitulated shortly after more insurgents advanced on the camp from several directions, hurling grenades at them and shooting non-stop, our sources said. The soldiers fled the scene as it became clear they were less armed and prepared for battle.
http://allafrica.com/stories/201411130220.html
Several Nigerian soldiers who took part in the fighting have narrated how Boko Haram secured yet again another victory over government forces, a defeat they blamed on their arms and the morale of the fighting force.
Boko Haram has seized many towns and communities in recent months, sacking security facilities while soldiers flee, in what appears the worst defeat yet for the Nigerian military since the insurgents launched a bloody campaign in 2009.
The 174 Battalion, which was moved from its Lagos base to the Nigerien border in Nigeria's bid to rev up the war against the extremist Boko Haram sect, had over 300 soldiers. Over a thousand insurgents attacked the troops, witnesses said.
Before long, military insiders said, the soldiers began to abandon the battle in droves, throwing away their uniforms and yielding their arms to the terrorists. The terrorists followed in pursuit as majority of the soldiers and officers fled across the border into neighbouring Niger where some of them were hospitalized.
A yet unknown number of soldiers were killed; some declared missing while several others were injured, our sources said.
After the Nigerian soldiers fled, military officials said, the Boko Haram insurgents ransacked the camp, looting the battalion armoury and offices.
"They went away with every weapon we had," one of the soldiers who partook in the battle told PREMIUM TIMES. "RPGs, armoured tanks, rifles, ammunition, I mean everything. As we are now, we have nothing. They have gone away with everything."
He added, "We were simply overpowered. They were far more in number and the weapons they carried were far more than what we had. They could have finished all of us if we hadn't fled."
The spokesperson of the Defence Headquarters, Chris Olukolade, did not answer or return calls seeking comment for this story.
But a top military commander, who asked not to be named because he was not authorized to speak on the matter, confirmed the incident to PREMIUM TIMES.
"I can't confirm to you that it happened but we have managed to bring back the soldiers to Nigeria," the general said. "The matter is being investigated."
He blamed the incident on cowardice by soldiers of the battalion saying, "Initially, they were talking of weapons. But the weapons have started arriving. The problem now is the mentality of our soldiers. A lot of them are just cowards and should not have been recruited into the Army in the first place. The fact is if you don't have the mentality of a soldier, you can't fight a battle no matter the sophistication of your arm."
The November 5 attack on the battalion was the second on the formation by Boko Haram. On August 4, 2013, the insurgents attacked the battalion, killing 15 soldiers and wounding several others.
Before the November 5 attack, some soldiers of the battalion had told PREMIUM TIMES their morale was at an all-time low.
"A lot of us have been here for more than two years without being allowed to see our family," one soldier said "We were to be here for six months but we have now been abandoned here for two years. We are missing our families and our morale is zero. Some of us are even considering going on AWOL (away without official leave)."
Yes, general. Call your soldiers cowards (which they are though) and hope that this will boost their morale, so that they will be willing to die for you. What a crap general. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 10:42am On Nov 13, 2014 |
agaugust:
Show us proof. I know SANDF has only 25 units of IRIS-T missiles for 26 Gripen jets and has NEVER fired one of them in 7 years, because they will finish, there is already a shortage, 26 jets share 25 missiles, each Gripen jet gets 0.96 missile each, less than one missile ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png)
. The IRIS-T subject was brought by you and not me. I said we fire ATGMs like nobody's business. The most cheapest category of missiles that you currently don't have apart from the word obsolence. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 10:42am On Nov 13, 2014 |
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 10:44am On Nov 13, 2014 |
mzilakazi:
A Biafran war was nothing but a bloody civil war no where near being modern at all and instead majority of people lost their lives through butchery than being shot at. Don't forget starvation. That war was so imbalanced it was closer to genocide. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 10:44am On Nov 13, 2014 |
agaugust:
Show us proof. I know SANDF has only 25 units of IRIS-T missiles for 26 Gripen jets and has NEVER fired one of them in 7 years, because they will finish, there is already a shortage, 26 jets share 25 missiles, each Gripen jet gets 0.96 missile each, less than one missile ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png)
. nigeria only has 3 operational F7s I think 25 is enough to get rid of them ![cool](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/cool.png) 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 10:56am On Nov 13, 2014 |
patches689:
nigeria only has 3 operational F7s
I think 25 is enough to get rid of them ![cool](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/cool.png) As at today they have no operational attack fighter (F-7s) in their air fleet. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 11:17am On Nov 13, 2014 |
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 11:21am On Nov 13, 2014 |
agaugust:
Vietnam war and Korean wars are all civil wars. Angolan civil war was tougher than SANDF Vs Cuba where inexperienced kids fought 4,000 SANDF that was mixed with UNITA men of Angola who formed the bulk of SANDF side. . Resulting in death of almost 10 000 Cubans. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:28pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
agaugust:
Forget the smoke, we don't need to use it.
Fact is that we are launching the Swingfire before you launch the Ingwe, that is the big battlefield operational disadvantage SANDF will face driving armoured vehicles in the open streets or fields against Nigerian army Swingfire tank-killer missiles that are hand/tripod stand controlled and hidden from view behind bushes, shrubs, or houses/windows.....Ratels die without knowing how we killed t.hem all. PITY PITY PITY
PHOTO ONE : SANDF RATEL WITH INGWE MISSILE EXPOSED ON THE FIELD AND EASY TO KILL
PHOTO TWO : ANTI-TANK MISSILE LIKE NIGERIAN ARMY SWINGFIRE HIDDEN FROM VIEW TO KILL THE UNLUCKY RATEL AND INGWE
SANDF IS WIPED OUT. GO KISS YOUR CANVAS SHOES IN THE MUD. PITY ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png)
. ahhh, so after finally getting into your dense skull that smoke defeats the Swingfire as well, you have no created some absurd scenario that suits your argument? Let me ask you: What are skirmishers? What is their job? Yet again, you dont know what you are talking about. Swingfire is inferior to the Ingwe. This has been established beyond a reasonable doubt. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:32pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
agaugust:
Biafran war had the jets of that time, MiG-17 jet fighters, L-29 Delfin jet fighters and Ilyushi-28 jet bombers.
That was one of the best air forces in Africa in 1967-1970.
It had the artillery, APC, tank busters, mortar, Bofors anti-aircraft guns of that time.
Biafra was africa's biggest war after WW II with about 500,000 men on both sides, 100,000 soldiers died . And biafra had what? No real tanks, no real artillery, no real air-defence The war involved less than 150 000 men. LiarAnd Biafra had no real airforce apart from civilian cessna's with rocket pods and one french prototype bomber - and yet they humiliated your "Best airforce in africa" 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:32pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
agaugust:
Show us proof. I know SANDF has only 25 units of IRIS-T missiles for 26 Gripen jets and has NEVER fired one of them in 7 years, because they will finish, there is already a shortage, 26 jets share 25 missiles, each Gripen jet gets 0.96 missile each, less than one missile ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png)
. Moving the goalposts |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:33pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
agaugust:
Vietnam war and Korean wars are all civil wars. Angolan civil war was tougher than SANDF Vs Cuba where inexperienced kids fought 4,000 SANDF that was mixed with UNITA men of Angola who formed the bulk of SANDF side. . South Africa fought in the Angolan civil war dipshit |