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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:34pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
agaugust: Understrength battalion. Such things exist... if say... other companies from the battalion are deployed elsewhere. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:37pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
[size=15pt]24 Hours of lies from Augugbgug: 1. China developed a new wire-guided ATGM in the 2000's 2. Biafran civil war involved 500 000 men [/size] 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 12:44pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
In an interview on Sunday Times dated Novemebr 09 2014, by Stephan HOFSTATTER WITH HEROES OF CENTRAL INTERVIEW INCLUDING SELEKA COMMANDERS. The story by OFFICER COMMANDING COLONEL WILLIAM DIXON is that the first sign sign of trouble was when the special forces land cruises arrived in the base riddled with bullets. Some men were limping and bleeding and that was when they knew that Seleka rebels were advancing. The base was on the outskirts of the steaming capital Bangui, near Y-Injuction where the two main roads into the city meet. One headed northwest to Bouar, the main route to neighbouring Cameroon, the other due north to Damara, 70 kilometers away. The injuction would soon become a site of carnage, where 13 South African soldiers were to die in three days of fighting against the impossible odds. Two more would die later of wounds. Hours earlier, at 3 pm on March 22, 2013, a special forces convoy of four Land Cruises and two Hornets pulling rocket launchers were attacked on the Damara road by 200 Seleka rebels. Three men were wounded in the 15 minutes fight. The men from Charlie Company from 1 Parachute Battalion in Bloemfontein had been settling down for a quite night, but instead, the 150 paratroopers had to spring into action. They loaded mortars, machine guns and ammunition on to trucks. It was dark by the time they left the base and deployed on two hills 4.5 Km away, off the Damara road." The streets of Bangui were quite" recalls Rifleman Given MULAUDZI. "tHAT'S always a bad sign". The next morning, force commander Colonel William DIXON had just left the French embassy on the banks of the Ubangui river when the word came that his paratroopers on the hills were under attack. DIXON raced to the front in his Land Cruiser, which doubled as his tactical HQ, consisting of a driver, a signaller, two pathfinders and his second in command Major Michel SILVA. "As we drove through town we saw civillians running everywhere" says SILVA. Waves of technicals pick up trucks carring Seleka rebels and with anti aircraft guns raced down the Damara road, straight into Charlie Company's arc of fire. Far from the small, rag tag force they had expected, the South Africans faced thousands of rebels armed with machine guns, AK's, mortars, grenade launchers and RPG'S. According to the interview, A Seleka Colonel ALI ABUBAKAR his technical was one of the first hit. "I lost seven of my men and three wounded" he recalls. In a pattern that would be repeated in the coming hours, he fell back into the bush to attack again. Soon rebels were fanning into the bush to attack two South African platoons positioned on the left hill. Combat medic Staff Sergent Serole MAMPA RETURNED rebel fire while a wounded soldier was rescued." They had to carry him on a stretcher behind our vehicle until we reached an ambulance while I kept firing back" he says When DIXON and SILVA arrived at 10am, the platoons on the left hill had withdrawn under heavy fire. Now the priority was retake the hill. By then the special forces group had joined the action." IT WAS A BLOODY FIGHT" says SILVA. The South africans unleashed a barraged of machine gun fire, mortars and rockets at the hill and "within 30 minutes we gained the initiative" says SILVA. By 2 pm the rebels were being driven back. The South Africans thought the fight was over. The worst was yet to come. During the lull, civillians were streaming past the soldiers towards Bangui, some carrying the severed genitals, ears and hands of slain Seleka rebels. Ten minutes after the special forces group and DIXON's tactical HQ reached the base in Bangui to rearm, the observation post on the Bouar road reported that 30 technical vehicles were bearing down on the city from the northwest. The special forces group raced past the Y injunction to form a skirmish line 10 km from the base with four Land Cruisers and two Hornets armed to teeth, along with DIXON's tactical HQ. An estimated 4 500 rebels descended on the 35 South Africans, who held the line for two to three hours. " It down on us that the Damara road attack was just a diversion" says SILVA. A platoon of CAR soldiers on the road fired a few shots at the rebels...While they were running, they changed sides and some of them started firing on us". says SILVA. " We were being shot at from all sides". "They rebels just kept on coming in wave after wave".says DIXON. SELEKA COMMANDER MOHAMMED TAHIR says he lost " more than half" of his 500 men. "It was a very hard fight. The South Africans had very good materials and were good fighters". He says. REBELS INTERVIEWED described the encounter. " It was a big battle, very hot. We lost many men and wounded" says Captain AMIN NDOLOKAMA. SILVA says "the force manage to break out of the encirclement and fought their way back to the base in different groupings" By the then DIXON's combat force of 200 soldiers had fired off 10 tons of ammunition and killed 1 200 rebels. HQ ordered him to keep fighting. at 9 pm a SELEKA commander called to ask for ceasefire.. MORE STORY OF BRAVERY TO FOLLOW AS EACH SOLDIER PROVIDE HIS OWN STORY INCLUDING SOME COMMANDERS FROM SELEKA!!!!! 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by kikuyu1(m): 12:59pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Thiza:Saffers,the bolded if true is confirmation of what I said earlier: BH was and still is a Western control mechanismWhere the actual eff do ragged desert dwellers get such intel and materiel? A thousand fighters with RPGs and Hilux mounted GPMGs deep in Nigeria? BH is a proxy army not a guerrilla force! There was talk of the country splitting up in 2015,doubtless it was an AngloZionist predictive programming measure. I reiterate,the day Saffers reject their mandated roles in the NWO they'll suffer similar 'homegrown' terror,maybe worse if the internal societal dysfunctions as defined by the media are real. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 1:24pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
kikuyu1: Ok, let's work with your theory, then. Who controls BH? "Western" is broad. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 1:29pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 1:38pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Back to the topic now. Sh1t got real for the fleeing soldiers here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQWdOLwOJfE 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 2:12pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
kikuyu1: Nah, unless there was a collapse in the intelligence structures and our military became obsolete THEN only then we will have a Nigerian scenario. And so you know, South Africans are not interested in cave and bush dwelling like Jihadists so this kind of terrorism is a hard to sell to even right wingers. If we're not happy about a certain agenda we take to the court, protests or to the ballot box. EVEN if your Illuminati can sponsor people with thousands of Toyotas and rifles, they wouldn't even cross the border without the intelligence picking it up. We don't tolerate terrorism in South Africa |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 2:33pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
ActivateKruger: I'm so interested in the idea that because BH have guns, then it means they are a "western creation". But I guess I'm wishing for far too much if I hoped for elaboration. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 3:14pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
agaugust: What a foolish comment!!! 174 battallion is permanently stationed in Lagos and now they were in other words deployed to the war zone to reinforce security. 174 battalion in this instance was the name and had nothing to do with the numbers of soldiers. It would have been correct to say over 300 soldiers belonging to 174 battalion. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 4:01pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
DieVluit: Blame game, if you can't defeat your enemy then blame it on anyone else. So if Boko Haram is West funded, then who cares because Nigeria has a defense budget worth billions of dollars so they shouldn't sucumb to Toyota driving buffoons. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by kikuyu1(m): 4:33pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
DieVluit: My,my,my!! There are people who haven't heard of false flags! Dude,come the eff on! That's the way the world works-all modern guerrillas/rebels/terrorists from Hamas to the Tamils to the SPLA are armed,sponsored and trained by Zionists. THIS IS FROM WIKI!! According to an Israeli official, for a time Israel's intelligence agency, Mossad, allegedly provided support to Hamas, presumably to weaken or distract the PLO.[19]Here's an ex Mossad agent on links with the Tamils: What shocked the Sinhalese ruling establishment and the journalists (including the editor of Lanka Guardian, Mervyn de Silva) was the revelation of Ostrovski that Mossad had trained the Sinhalese military personnel and "a group of Tamil guerrilla factions" simultaneously.http://tamilnation.co/books/Eelam/deception.htm 2 SPLA officers told me during the war Israeli war planners helped their operations. A few years back a US think tank predicted the break up of Naij by next year. Its not just oil but also a punishment for stepping into the wider W African sphere during the Ecomog era-the US doesn't like competition;global full spectrum is their forte. I reiterate,the day you annoy de Beers and insist on alternative marketing arrangements for your diamonds is the day you'll suffer false flag terror even though unlike most countries many if not most of your civilians are armed. Nah, unless there was a collapse in the intelligence structures and our military became obsolete THEN only then we will have a Nigerian scenario.SIGHHHHHHH,AK let me remind you of the mid 90s. Remember that Boer called Terreblanche? He loved to dress up and pose like all homos,(fyi,extreme racist organisations have more than their fair share of c ocksmokers). Who was paying for the entire AWB thing? The organisation,their premises,vehicles,training for the Ystergard etc etc-do you really think it was the 50 rand monthly subscription of hardline Boers? Of course they had their people in your security/military/intel structures. If Terreblanche's handlers had so ordered SA would've drowned in blood. The insults you're all directing at Naij would be flowing the other way. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 4:55pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Chinese J-31 This is a powerful fighter. I wonder how it stacks against the F-35 or the Rafale. #excuse the derailment.
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 4:58pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
The Y-20 is also a beautiful transport plane. Contrary to reports, it looks nothing like the C-17.
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:13pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Henry120: Its a sh1tty copy of the F-35 Bleeds to much airspeed, even in normal flight and needs to use after-burners to do even the most basic maneuvers. Russians say that the engine they used for it is old and poorly refined. The secret to the F-35 is not stealth. It is its performance, its AN/APG-81 AESA-radar and AN/ASQ-239 IR sensors while its EO DAS and EOTS is probably the most advanced targeting system man has ever conceived https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r-dlzbLAdg The Chinese copy + paste has none of these things |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:18pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Henry120: It is a clone that uses peices of the C-17 and the IL-76, and it performs worse than the C-17... again because it uses outdated Russian engines http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/chinas-c-17-clone-faces-its-peers-at-the-zhuhai-air-sho-1656165805 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by fydence: 5:20pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Henry120:just across this, maybe it could help your comparison. http://groundreport.com/chinese-5th-generation-j-31-stealth-aircraft-rivals-us-most-advanced-f-35-raptor/ |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:29pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
fydence: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/13/world/asia/china-stealth-fighter-analysis/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:38pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Patchesagain: Apart from allegations, there is no proof the Y-20 is a clone of either the C-17 or the IL-76. Besides the link you posted has a pre-conceived idea of the message they intend to pass across. It's impossible to make an un-biased assessment of the capabilities of the transport planes. The link's rubbish. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:43pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Patchesagain: Okay....... more accusations. If you missed what I typed, I was wondering how it performs against fighters in it's class. A fair assessment, not some jack sh1t mumbo jumbo. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:44pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
fydence: Not detailed enough. Thanks. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:45pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Henry120: It performs poorly Physically, it has poor performance Electronically, its not even in the same class. Its only saving grace will be if it has the same stealth properties as the F-35... but stealth is irrelevant anyway, because of advances in low-frequency radar arrays. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:50pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Patchesagain: How can a plane perform poorly when it's specs aren't even known? How you came by this conclusion makes absolutely no sense. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:52pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Henry120: read the article i posted |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 5:54pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
kikuyu1: Conspiracies, I'm not interested. Let's talk military hardware and happenings. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:55pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Patchesagain: Which clearly states, the plane still is under-development. Besides those are the journalist personal views, not based on any concrete assessment of the fighter. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 5:57pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Seun, your cloudfare server is giving problems again. Please look into it. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 5:57pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Henry120: Chinese military hardware, count me up. I still do not trust anything with a Chinese stamp - it still screams low quality to me. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 5:58pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Henry120: They observed that it needed its afterburners to perform the most basic maneuvers That is a legit observation. And with regards to electronics. The Chinese are decades behind the americans as is, and the F-35 is another quantum leap that combines the technology and skills of around 12 of the worlds most advanced nations. Nothing the Chinese have will compare in any way. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 6:01pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Patchesagain: The chinese are ahead in anti-stealth tech, besides stealth is over-rated. Until the specs of the J-31 are made public, baseless assumptions would continue to be made. Electronically......... lol, like anyone has seen chinese fighter electronics. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 6:03pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Henry120: electronically no one is anywhere near the US and NATO |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 6:11pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Patchesagain: They observed a fighter under-development, and still some how couldn't help themselves but write something negative about it. Let go buy the basis that the J-31 is an F-35 clone, it's widely alleged the blue-print was downloaded/hacked from the U.S DoD. It simply means the fighter would perform just as good as the F-35. This is the fact. Besides, all the noise about copying, when NATO nations continually copy and spy on each other. The chinese are the world's 4th largest defence exporter, and the world's 2nd largest defence spender. The assessments of the reporter are again based on a pre- conceived notion. |
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