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Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by flourishG(m): 6:10pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Joagbaje: Dude we read how u were ranting in da past with John. Kindly do same here. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by christemmbassey(m): 6:11pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
striktlymi:what is d difference? 5 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Nobody: 6:15pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Joagbaje:You sound like the woman who was asked whether she attended church & her reply was :I tie my headscarf na. Aren't you a rather shameless caricature of a human being? 6 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by flourishG(m): 6:16pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
christemmbassey:How does a dumb fellow tell da difference between fake n fraudulent pastor? U see how daft he is? 4 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by alienvirus: 6:19pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
O ga o. This Agbaje should be thrown in famgbe water. |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by plaetton: 6:23pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Topgainer: Well, my friend, pius fraud is not a new invention at all. It was very crucial and instrumental to the rise of the christian faith. Father Eusabius of Caearea (Ad 314) was the acclaimed grandaddy of pious fraud, and he justified it by saying, " if others are doing it, why can't we do it as well?" Apostle Paul had been his inspiration when he wrote " If I lie for the glory of god, should also be punished as a sinner? |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Nobody: 6:23pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Now "Pastor" is forming humble. When people were telling him the truth, he and his gang of fraudsters were insulting everybody and going gangsta. Now you have people forming SAN on "pastor's" behalf. while "pastor" is wisely watching so as not to say too much since it appears someone has some really serious and damning evidence and is waiting for the slightest mis-yarn. Truly pride goes before . . . 13 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by flourishG(m): 6:23pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
alienvirus:They been doing it a long time. Intelligent pple r here to help them out. |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by christemmbassey(m): 6:25pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
striktlymi:you don start ya own? Na so Joa do go enter one chance. 5 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Nobody: 6:26pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Joagbaje just proved something interesting tonight. When God wants to expose you.. You'll just be like one ugly fowl that they soaked in iced water 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by SalC: 6:28pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
StarBoard:I don't know why you are sounding like this, am yet to read the said thread. I am not here to defend Joe and I never said I believe him. I only said "I want to believe him" that's if he can give me convincing answers to the questions I asked. From the excerpts I read so far, he sounded very sure of the healing and the guy himself. Why is he now telling us some cock and bull story? 2 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Joagbaje(m): 6:30pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
I will give a one time detail explanation in 20 mins. My battery ran out on the other device, thanks for your patience |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by plaetton: 6:32pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Boss13: This is exactly the point bros. T. B clown Joshua's stupidity causes the horrific deaths of 115, they blame a mysterious plane, they blam an invisible bomber, they blame the devil, they just blame anything at all other than themselves. This is the murder of reason. 7 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Nobody: 6:33pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Joagbaje:like i care,better breeze don blow fowl yansh open. Pastor,i want you to do something for me. Bow your head,not in prayer.... But in shame. 6 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Nobody: 6:35pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
SalC:Take your time and go through the threads in question. See the near gutter language pastor was using. The evidence produced by Sir John is damning. You want to believe someone who has clearly used fraudulent means to support a claim he made by saying he was decieved. And I say that in itself,given the previous incedents on thid matter,is an insult to those of us who know that this "miracle"was staged. 5 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by flourishG(m): 6:36pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Joagbaje: Dude, are u okay? How many people r u gonna give a one time explanation? U mean u gonna give a one time explanation n don't wait to answer when your assss is being scrutinized n questioned? U dare not dude! !! 3 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Nobody: 6:38pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Lol, before Jo starts editing Joagbaje: https://www.nairaland.com/193649/truth-christ-embassy-healing-school/69#26798316 4 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Nobody: 6:41pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Joagbaje: may I humbly ask that you spare us. Thanks. This your humility is in stark contrast with your attitude on the previous threads. SirJohn, please let's end this. 1 Like |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Nobody: 6:41pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Jo is so sure of the healing. Joagbaje: 2 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by plaetton: 6:44pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
A brief introduction to pious fraud. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pious_fraud " Pious fraud is a term applied to describe fraudulent practices used to advance a religious cause or belief. This type of fraud may, by apologists, be explained as a case of the ends justify the means, in that if people are saved from eternal damnation then it's perfectly fine to tell a few fibs and perform some magic tricks. This is line of argumentation is prone to Outcome bias. To draw a non-religious comparison - pious fraud could be compared to a parent using the threat of Santa withholding presents, or delivering a lump of coal, if Santa should hear that the child in question has been naughty. It may at times be difficult to differentiate pious fraud, which requires intent to deceive, from delusion and ignorance. Such a decision must be based on a case-by-case evaluation of the claims being made, the persons making the claims, and certainly the intent behind the claims." In one notable example, James Randi learned that Popoff was using a hidden earpiece in to which his wife was broadcasting information on the stricken people who attended his revivals in the hope of being cured.[1] Given that miracles typically come with little evidence to support the temporary suspension of the known laws of the universe, miracles are a rich source of pious fraud. This not to say that all miracles are by default fraud, since many can be attributed to delusional behaviour or ignorance, but some stand out as being particularly questionable. Modification and misattribution of scripture "So, do any of you fisherman and tax collectors know how to write high quality non-contradictory books in Greek? Oh bugger!" Many books of the New Testament are named for what uninformed believers take to be the names of the authors, yet biblical and historical scholarship indicate that the gospels were written by unknown authors and ascribed to disciples and similarly important figures in Christianity. Other books of the New Testament, traditionally ascribed to important figures, are also shown to be later additions or misattributions.[3] There's an obvious advantage in attributing a work to a famous name, since texts purporting to document the life of Jesus certainly carry more weight if its claimed that they were written by a drinking buddy of Jesus.[4] Alterations over the years also provide signs of changes being made to deal with scriptural contradictions and to reduce or emphasise points and beliefs important to the writer. Paul strongly emphasised the message that salvation was available to all, including gentiles. While some gospels portray Jesus as being sent solely for the "lost sheep of Israel", such as in Matthew 15:21-28, St. Paul's writings discard Jewish tradition - such as the requirement to effectively become a Jew before becoming a Christian - in favour of offering salvation to gentiles, describing himself as "the apostle of the gentiles" in Romans 1:13. It was no doubt it was easier to market Christianity when it didn't involve the partial removal of the penis. It is also notable that the nature of Jesus changes throughout the Bible. Early gospels, such as Mark, portray Jesus more as an anointed man than a being of divine origin - in a similar sense to previous "sons of god" such as King David.[5] In John 1:1-15 Jesus is described as being the embodiment of logos - present with God at the beginning of all things, through whom the world was created. Mark lacks an account of the virgin birth - which other authors included in their gospels. A messiah of human origin, although annointed by God, is more consistent with Jewish tradition, so the divine aspects may have appeared in an attempt to appeal to the demographic that prefers its messiahs to be of divine origin. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by nep2ra(m): 6:45pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Joagbaje: Stop it. It's becoming pathetic to watch now. You just got exposed. Eat the humble pie and stop your long winded explanation that does nothing to counteract the damning evidence. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Nobody: 6:47pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Jo stakes a whole half a million. He's damn sure of his claims. Joagbaje: Don't just sit on your computer typing rubish john .i sense you're afraid .You know this testimony will rubish all the nonsense you've been publishing . I posted the guys number . Why not find out . Why haven't you made an attempt . It's not my duty to run errand for you . If I post medical record here you will call say I forged it so john I challenge you in the name of Jesus whom you're denying . Use your half a million naira to prove me wrong. The million dollar question is, why will Jo stake so much on a claim he never verified? The answer seems obvious: he has no idea how tithers sweat so hard to get the money he's willing to dash out. 16 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by SalC: 6:47pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
rationalmind:The above quote is why I said he sounded too sure. He wanted everyone to believe it was a verified miracle. That's why its surprising to know he never set his eyes on the medical report nor did he step his foot on the said Federal medical centre. Hmm..... 2 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Nobody: 6:47pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
@rationalmind, Please dont stress yourself. We already know what they will say. The threads in question need no further inquisition. If he likes let him edit or delete his posts. We already know what has taken place. Why wont he stage miracle when his oga at the top has made a name and living doing same? 5 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by flourishG(m): 6:49pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
We r not rejoicing at the fall or fakery of another christian brother but people like Joagbaje were told to us long ago n we must protect d household of faith. Crafty men like Joe r turning many in da faith to atheist n back into da world. I wonder y da heck his asss boi Gombs is mute now but would have been ranting in da past. 5 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by SalC: 6:51pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
rationalmind:Same question I've been asking.....but your answer though 1 Like |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by flourishG(m): 6:53pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
SalC:Dude if he was sure then, y can't he b too sure now with new evidence standing in front of him. All u have to do is compare as he was sure then n what is in front of him now n use your god given mind to c d dam falsehood |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by SalC: 6:53pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
Let's get it straight now So Joeagbaje how soon are you paying SirJohn since he has proven you wrong? 9 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by flourishG(m): 6:57pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
SalC:now we talking. 500000 ain't no dam joke. He boasted about it though. 1 Like |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Nobody: 6:59pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
flourishG:DING!!!! How will they listen? In their minds as "pastors" they cannot subject themselves to counsel from "lesser" or "common" folks like us. Their proud, arrogant disposition would not conform to the meek and lowly estate of those of us who cannot or are not "pastors". He goes ahead to stake money like a gambler, something that should be unheard of in Christian circles just to prove his point on a false claim. For me the more I think about it Joe is not even worth a listen. He is a gluttonous deceiver and a carnal charlatan. if joeagbaje is a pastor then I'm better off by myself. 9 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Nobody: 6:59pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
SalC: One begins to wonder how come strictlymi absolves him of all blame. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Nobody: 7:00pm On Nov 13, 2014 |
its nearly 30 minutes since pastor promised acdefence. or is this one going the way of the "robust" defence promised by his cohort a while ago? |
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