freshdude2:
You sound like an iidiot who thinks they know stuff but they don't. It's obvious, this isn't an insult. Is there any society more patriarchal than that of early Africa? Do you mean to tell me that the men in that society didn't cook or weren't taught to cook?

Before you piss blood all over this thread, consider the meaning of terms you're spouting and their practicality. How many homes do you know where the fathers are the primary meal manufacturers, does it mean those men don't cook or can't cook? Have you not seen women split firewood in Africa doesn't that require substantial physical strength and should naturally be the preserve of men(heavy lifting?)?

Life tools are life tools and should be taught to everyone to a logical extent. However, gender roles are what they are and certain skills will only be electives to the core of a gender's natural and situational roles, and no amount of gender equalism crusading can negate that.

crackhaus:

What is the common sense and what is feminism?

As a feminist yourself, which of these feminist campaigns are you actively a part of? - oops scratch that, how many of these were you even aware of before this thread?
FCKH8 Campaign, Hollaback!, #YesAllWomen, #FreeTheNipples, TakePart.com

And when I call people on here pseudo-feminists, y'all think I just enjoy using fancy words...

cKaiser:


You might have to take your crusade up with nature who created both sexes different.

Its nature who made men naturally stronger than women due to having a higher muscle mass.

A baby boy from 7 month graviatates towards Trucks, balls and high risk play while a baby girl wants to play with dolls, tend them love them and is generally calmed

Its nature who made women more fragile, tender and caring.

Its nature who made men have more testosterone required for military, Taking risks and daring acts

No amount of role equality can make a man conceive a child naturally nor a woman impregnate another woman. Genes and nature control that

freshdude2:
I'll take feminism serious when feminists earn what they demand. The problem with these people is they want men/the patriarchy to "give" them equality. Shuo

iykedare:


This feminism thing never tire you?

freshdude2:
Carefreewannabe, this was my commentAnd the text in bold is what I expected you to answer.

dBard:
I am sick and tired of all these feminist for and against arguments n hate getting drawn into them,but since am here, lemme ask, can one of d 'feminists' here be bold enuff to give 5 examples of what n where they demand Equal rights in

Expecting d usual dodge n parry, but hoping to be disappointed sha.


@carefreewannabe.. Sometimes I do think u just love d arguments
Gender roles, like d poster opined, are Time honoured cos people recognized early enuff d Limitations Specific to each Gender and sought to build/ ;maximize each genders potential.
How is it wrong, seeing d caring,nurturing nature of d female folks to teach n encourage her in housekeeping,
Or seeing how restless n adventurous d typical male is,to give him bow n arrows n throw him t d bush to hunt or to emphasize d need t provide n protect d family unit seeing men are physically ,on d general, stronger than females
Also, contrary t popular assertations here,d typical African society was quite protective of d rights of d woman even within d gender roles but yet not restrictive.
In how many societies of old have u had women of prominence as many as are in Africa viz Queen Lamina,Bilikisu ?Erondu of Yoruba land, Gbenekawa (who is worshipped as a deity) of Ogoni or which other cultures across d world had women groups or societies that wielded political clout e.g. d Ada Societies of IBO land
These were in place f a reason...so there could be Stability.
Honestly don't know wat all d hullabaloo is about cos like I said, d ideals of d feminists keeps shifting with the seasons.


Someone Should Answer the question or let's all let it be.

Am Waiting...

freshdude2:
This is what you said:
and I said, "whether or not you were taught to woo."

Not plain enough? Maybe you should revisit previous posts.

Zexten:


Actually you're very wrong.
1. Traditional African society wasn't very patriarchal.

2. Women in the Mali Empire for instance were allowed to own property.

3. When it came to equality, African societies were more progressive than Europe and the Middle Eastern Empires of the time.

carefreewannabe:


So all women have a loving and nurturing nature? Really?

So being loving and nurturing qualifies you for house chores?

By the way, what is all this talk about hunting?
Are we talking about the 21st century or not?
Do you still go hunting?

dBard:


S.m.h..

O.k.
You win..men are evil,women are wonderful
Comprehension on d oda hand is a Bitch.


Enjoy..

freshdude2:
That was me setting you straight on a question I didn't ask you. *smh

Zexten:


Yes, that's what we want. Why? Because nature gave us an equitable system. Slightly different roles, but abilities and adaptation to make tem insignificant and trivial. We don't need to "earn" what you have systematically "taken away" from us.

carefreewannabe:


Ok, please explain what wooing has to do with feminism now.

freshdude2:

1. But it was patriarchal, wasn't it? A patriarchal society is what it is, comparison is terms of degree of patriarchy from one society to another is not the subject of this thread and, even if it were, doesn't make me wrong. In fact, it paints the illogic your comment.

2. Women throughout history have owned property even the Europeans who you claimed were less egalitarian than Africans.

3. Debatable.

freshdude2:
maybe when you answer my question

freshdude2:
We didn't take shiit, you people just chose to ride on the back of the success of men and expect the same respect, since you're not getting it you've developed penis-envy. Well, there's equality in the west, let's see what the women in those lands contribute to the human race by way of inventions and innovation in the next 20years. Scratch that, I dare you to contribute anything tangible to your immediate community. You can't and you won't becase it's not your cup of tea. Meanwhile, there are people, men, of course, who will sacrifice their time to do so and succeed at it. You are a woman, the best you'll ever be is a woman. You may envy my diick and try a sex change but deep down, it's just an artificial diick.

freshdude2:
We didn't take shiit, you people just chose to ride on the back of the success of men and expect the same respect, since you're not getting it you've developed penis-envy. Well, there's equality in the west, let's see what the women in those lands contribute to the human race by way of inventions and innovation in the next 20years. Scratch that, I dare you to contribute anything tangible to your immediate community. You can't and you won't becase it's not your cup of tea. Meanwhile, there are people, men, of course, who will sacrifice their time to do so and succeed at it. You are a woman, the best you'll ever be is a woman. You may envy my diick and try a sex change but deep down, it's just an artificial diick.

Zexten:


1. Lol. I assure you if you take a crash course in history, you will learn how wrong you are.
2. Awks that a woman is educating you, innit?

Zexten:


Actually you're <b> very </b> wrong. Traditional African society wasn't very patriarchal. Women in the Mali Empire for instance were allowed to own property. When it came to equality, African societies were more progressive than Europe and the Middle Eastern Empires of the time.

dBard:



Thank You.

Peeps just talk without reading up on their history.
I've said it n will stand by it..I've not come across societies that were more protective of female rights than African societies and to a large extent, that MENTALITY hasn't changed.
In Iboland, I think, d woman is allowed to share the properties she has acquired t her children n d husband/or soda members of d family has no right to it,unlike f d man whom by law is required t share according t d no. Of wives n children he has.

Like I said b4, don't know wat all d B.S is about. If u want respect,Work f it..it's that simple.

dBard:
I am sick and tired of all these feminist for and against arguments n hate getting drawn into them,but since am here, lemme ask, can one of d 'feminists' here be bold enuff to give 5 examples of what n where they demand Equal rights in

Expecting d usual dodge n parry, but hoping to be disappointed sha.


@carefreewannabe.. Sometimes I do think u just love d arguments
Gender roles, like d poster opined, are Time honoured cos people recognized early enuff d Limitations Specific to each Gender and sought to build/ ;maximize each genders potential.
How is it wrong, seeing d caring,nurturing nature of d female folks to teach n encourage her in housekeeping,
Or seeing how restless n adventurous d typical male is,to give him bow n arrows n throw him t d bush to hunt or to emphasize d need t provide n protect d family unit seeing men are physically ,on d general, stronger than females
Also, contrary t popular assertations here,d typical African society was quite protective of d rights of d woman even within d gender roles but yet not restrictive.
In how many societies of old have u had women of prominence as many as are in Africa viz Queen Lamina,Bilikisu ?Erondu of Yoruba land, Gbenekawa (who is worshipped as a deity) of Ogoni or which other cultures across d world had women groups or societies that wielded political clout e.g. d Ada Societies of IBO land
These were in place f a reason...so there could be Stability.
Honestly don't know wat all d hullabaloo is about cos like I said, d ideals of d feminists keeps shifting with the seasons.


Someone Should Answer the question or let's all let it be.

Am Waiting...

dBard:



Thank You.

Peeps just talk without reading up on their history.
I've said it n will stand by it..I've not come across societies that were more protective of female rights than African societies and to a large extent, that MENTALITY hasn't changed.
In Iboland, I think, d woman is allowed to share the properties she has acquired t her children n d husband/or soda members of d family has no right to it,unlike f d man whom by law is required t share according t d no. Of wives n children he has.

Like I said b4, don't know wat all d B.S is about. If u want respect,Work f it..it's that simple.

freshdude2:

1. Feel free to prove that African society wasn't patriarchal.

2. Nah, I don't hate women. I'm disgusted by people who feel entitlted to what they haven't legitimately earned. . Spot the difference.

carefreewannabe:


1. Let us see what and how many Nigerian men will "contribute to the human race by way of inventions and innovations in the next 20 years".

2. What have they contributed anyway so far? They have been free to do it for centuries. What have they achieved?

dBard:
I am sick and tired of all these feminist for and against arguments n hate getting drawn into them,but since am here, lemme ask, can one of d 'feminists' here be bold enuff to give 5 examples of what n where they demand Equal rights in

Expecting d usual dodge n parry, but hoping to be disappointed sha.


@carefreewannabe.. Sometimes I do think u just love d arguments
Gender roles, like d poster opined, are Time honoured cos people recognized early enuff d Limitations Specific to each Gender and sought to build/ ;maximize each genders potential.
How is it wrong, seeing d caring,nurturing nature of d female folks to teach n encourage her in housekeeping,
Or seeing how restless n adventurous d typical male is,to give him bow n arrows n throw him t d bush to hunt or to emphasize d need t provide n protect d family unit seeing men are physically ,on d general, stronger than females
Also, contrary t popular assertations here,d typical African society was quite protective of d rights of d woman even within d gender roles but yet not restrictive.
In how many societies of old have u had women of prominence as many as are in Africa viz Queen Lamina,Bilikisu ?Erondu of Yoruba land, Gbenekawa (who is worshipped as a deity) of Ogoni or which other cultures across d world had women groups or societies that wielded political clout e.g. d Ada Societies of IBO land
These were in place f a reason...so there could be Stability.
Honestly don't know wat all d hullabaloo is about cos like I said, d ideals of d feminists keeps shifting with the seasons.


Someone Should Answer the question or let's all let it be.

Am Waiting...

freshdude2:


1. But you don't see Nigerian men weeping and whinging for equality do you? Have you heard of Europe for Africa(feminist equivalent: he for she) or any such nonsense? Nigerian men are content with proving themselves equal or, at least, admitting and conceding when we fall short. You don't see us acting all entitled an shiit.

2. If anything our failure to catch up with 1st world nations is an embarrassment to us not a call to delusion that there's some kind of European/White conspiracy to subjugate the Nigerian. We understand that we are lagging behind through our actions and inactions. You don't see us matching to the United Nations to force oyinbos to give us what they've earned. We respect them for whatever they have achieve, and whatever envy we may feel is an indictment on our shortcomings. We are men, we can hardly afford delusions. I wish I could say the same for your ilk.

freshdude2:


1. But you don't see Nigerian men weeping and whinging for equality do you? Have you heard of Europe for Africa(feminist equivalent: he for she) or any such nonsense? Nigerian men are content with proving themselves equal or, at least, admitting and conceding when we fall short. You don't see us acting all entitled an shiit.

2. If anything our failure to catch up with 1st world nations is an embarrassment to us not a call to delusion that there's some kind of European/White conspiracy to subjugate the Nigerian. We understand that we are lagging behind through our actions and inactions. You don't see us matching to the United Nations to force oyinbos to give us what they've earned. We respect them for whatever they have achieve, and whatever envy we may feel is an indictment on our shortcomings. We are men, we can hardly afford delusions. I wish I could say the same for your ilk.

Zexten:


Who said anything about you hating women? Comprehension skills too? Cmon, don't let a woman keep schooling you. Or wait, just maybe women are as smart as men - or as knowledgeable. Which would kinda mean women can have great minds and diverse minds and do exploits. Which might mean women can be leaders too. Have you given that any thought? Maybe women and men are fundamentally equally. At least in all that matters, centered around intelligence.