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Re: .......... by unlimitedbosco: 7:22am On Nov 14, 2014 |
NgeneUkwenu:does lagos state government have the power to prosecute him? |
Re: .......... by Nobody: 7:25am On Nov 14, 2014 |
Sibabasibaba1: Shortly after she was removed as minister, Obasanjo relieved her as chairman of his economic think tank.First, Iwaela did not resign from the Cabinet and the Economic Think-tank, She was fired! Secondly, Obasanjo is not interested in "Committee" and Panel to look into allegations/indictment that bothers on fraud/corruption against cabinet members or big officials if he wants to act, he let you go- Eg Tafa Balogun, SP Wabara, Fabian Osuji and few others including Atiku Abubakar(He couldn't sack him but demanded for his Impeachment in 2007 though unsuccessful). Dude, Oby Ezeks was fully part of the Cabinet and the Think tank, she's alive.Same with Obasanjo, elRufai and Nanadi Usman- who was the Finance Minister of State and elevated to the Finance Minister. I know you will argue though. |
Re: .......... by Nobody: 7:25am On Nov 14, 2014 |
Aloralord1:Now you know what those guys stand for. They don't care whether Nigeria collapse 1 Like |
Re: .......... by Nobody: 7:35am On Nov 14, 2014 |
barcanista:My brother, its ludicrous to see statements like that from datolee. Such a brilliant guy selling an unsellable product.. Didn't GEJ promise zero tolerance to corruption? 1 Like |
Re: .......... by Nobody: 7:37am On Nov 14, 2014 |
barcanista: Why do you keep misleading the masses? NOI was redeployed from ministry of finance to ministry of foreign affairs. OBJ appointed Esther Nenadi Usman as the new minister of finance and new head of economic team. NOI resigned as a result, he was never fired nor indicted by any panel http://www.segundawodu.com/aluko140.htm 10 Likes |
Re: .......... by Nobody: 7:45am On Nov 14, 2014 |
datolee:Bros when she was redeployed to Foreign Affairs she maintained her position as Head of the Economic Team aka Think Tank. But Obasanjo later relieved her of her role in the Think Tank and later Foreign Affairs. Okonjo Iwaela performed her function in the Foreign Ministry before her relief. |
Re: .......... by Nobody: 7:48am On Nov 14, 2014 |
Aloralord1: I do not support the pardoning but to say that that is encouraging corruption is not kind.. what is encouraging corruption is Lucky Igbidedion being fined N3.5 million after being convicted of corruption or the recent pension thieves... Alams served his time (though very short) waited for 7 years to get a pardon. 2 Likes |
Re: .......... by Sibabasibaba1: 7:52am On Nov 14, 2014 |
barcanista: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sometimes it is good to keep mute when you don't have anything to say. So, presidential candidate for the Peoples Mandate Party (PMP), Dr Batos Nwadike, is the body that indicted Okonjo Iweala? Is it not ridiculous that you now see Pointblank News as a bastion of truth? Will you also believe any of their report that casts Buhari in a bad light? You mentioned Balogun, Osuji and Wabara, I hope you know they have one thing in common: They were formally charged. While Balogun opted for a plea bargain, Osuji and Wabara pursued their cases to conclusion (or are still in court). So why was the 'indicted' Okonjo Iweala not prosecuted. Sometimes, you guys bandy words you seem not to understand their meanings and usage. Indict means 'formally accuse of or charge with a crime'. Its synonyms include: arraign, censure, charge, impeach, incriminate and prosecute. So, you see, okonjo Iweala was NEVER indicted. She resigned honorably and Obasanjo still has high regards for her. You don't sit behind your laptop and accuse people falsely just because you want to win an argument. Arguments are won with facts and not fiction. If you had situated your point on this within the context of rumour, it would have been understandable. Cheers 7 Likes |
Re: .......... by Nobody: 7:54am On Nov 14, 2014 |
barcanista: You do not know anything, NOI was redeployed to ministry of foreign affairs and still retained the headship of the economic team, however when she was in London negotiating another debt relief for Nigeria, she was removed as the head... she resigned as soon as she got back. She accepted the redeployment to the ministry of foreigner affairs on the bases that she will be retained as the head of the economic team. She served for foreign affairs minister for a period of less than 2 months. She was not fired, she resigned. 6 Likes |
Re: .......... by Nobody: 8:10am On Nov 14, 2014 |
datolee:She was Fired and not resignation. Obasanjo removed her first as Finance Minister to Foreign Affairs, and later Removed her as Chairman of the Economic Team. You want to make people believe that "That was an agreement for retaining NOI as Chair of the Tink tank", lol, which agreement? Bros, no such agreement existed anywhere. President Obasanjo removed her. If something wasn't in the offing baba would never have touched her in Finance Ministry and later Economic Team. |
Re: .......... by Nobody: 8:17am On Nov 14, 2014 |
barcanista: Question for you, why would Obasanjo redeploy her to the ministry of foreign affairs only to sack her with 44 days? So, she was corrupt, instead of sacking her as minister of finance, OBJ had to send her to foreign affairs ministry and sack her in 44 days.. does this make sense to you? It was at the same of re-shuffle of the government that Oby Ezekwesili was redeployed from mines and solid mineral to education.. was it also because she was corrupt? You still have not shown any link to the fact that she was sacked. I have given you her resignation letter. 7 Likes |
Re: .......... by Nobody: 8:29am On Nov 14, 2014 |
datolee:Bros, Oby Ezekwesilli combined both Mines and Education. She was the one that was assigned to Oversee the Mines Ministry despite her redeployment. I am not accusing NOI of Corruption, don't misquote me. I only quoted from a source on her alleged removal from Office as Finance Minister and the Head of Economic Team. I see it that it bothers on conflict of interest where one of her relative benefited from a deal or so(though it never said it was illegal) according to that source. As regards fire/resignation, one thing these BIG MEN and Politicians does is to give SOFT LANDING to some Highly Placed Individuals. Even Stella Oduah was said to have resigned her position and not fired by the President. The question to ask is was it a Voluntary Resignation or a Resignation out of "Necessity"? I only cited her in my write-up to drive home a point. In advanced countries, Officials step down just to face trial so as to save their honor and the position they occupy. He fired the Minister of Finance, Okonjo Iwaela in 2006 based on an indictment, and removed her from the Economic Team. Removing her first as Finance Minister send signal. Then removing her as Head Economic Team calls for more indepth thinking. NOI only "left" after her sack from Finance Ministry and as Head Economic Team in August 2006. see her resignation letter http://www.dawodu.com/okonjo5.htm Recall that Jonathan fired then Attorney General, Michael Aondoaaka by moving him to Ministry of Special Duties in 2010. These thing is not uncommon in government. PS: I used to be a fan of NOI until January 1st, 2012 |
Re: .......... by brownlord: 8:31am On Nov 14, 2014 |
NgeneUkwenu: Says a Nairaland resident idiat, a confused gender animal, olodo, 1 Like |
Re: .......... by Sibabasibaba1: 8:45am On Nov 14, 2014 |
[quote author=barcanista post=27999895]Bros, Oby Ezekwesilli combined both Mines and Education. She was the one that was assigned to Oversee the Mines Ministry despite her redeployment. I am not accusing NOI of Corruption, don't misquote me. I only quoted from a source on her alleged removal from Office as Finance Minister and the Head of Economic Team. I see it that it bothers on conflict of interest where one of her relative benefited from a deal or so(though it never said it was illegal) according to that source. As regards fire/resignation, one thing these BIG MEN and Politicians does is to give SOFT LANDING to some Highly Placed Individuals. Even Stella Oduah was said to have resigned her position and not fired by the President. The question to ask is was it a Voluntary Resignation or a Resignation out of "Necessity"? I only cited her in my write-up to drive home a point. In advanced countries, Officials step down just to face trial so as to save their honor and the position they occupy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Interesting! You have changed from an emphatic indicted to "alleged removal". Ezekwesiri did not oversee education. She was a substantive minister of education. When she left Solid Minerals Ministry, she was replaced with the Professor Leslie Obiora who later resigned in 2007 after she was redeployed in the Special Duties Ministry. Maybe Obiora was also sacked since in your books everybody who resigns has been sacked. 1 Like |
Re: .......... by Nobody: 8:50am On Nov 14, 2014 |
Sibabasibaba1:She oversaw the Solid Mineral Ministry before the appointment of Obiora even as Education Minister. Her own case was purely different and commendable My stance on Okonjo Iwaela as regards to what transpired, actions and inactions of President Obasanjo, her removal from Finance Ministry and as Head Economic Team remains unchanged. It is only a blind fellow that did not read the Message in Aaondoakaa's sack from Justice Ministry |
Re: .......... by Nobody: 9:08am On Nov 14, 2014 |
barcanista: I ask you again, so If NOI was indicted of corruption, the best OBJ could have done was to redeploy her to the ministry of foreign affairs only to sack her within 44 days? Why would OBJ give her soft-landing when he sacked Osuji the previous year? NOI was indicted under OBJ that saint El-rufai in his book mentioned that OBJ had proposed Buhari / NOI presidential ticket in 2011 Of all sources online and everywhere, only one person is saying that NOI was indicted of corruption and the man wasn't a member of the cabinet nor law enforcement agency. 4 Likes |
Re: .......... by Sibabasibaba1: 9:12am On Nov 14, 2014 |
barcanista: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are you saying what happened or you are saying what you think? Your argument is simply untenable. You said she was indicted. When challenged you brought a hearsay link. Now you are talking of Aaondooaka. Please, apples to apples. Aaondooka never resigned. He was removed. Okonjo resigned. You have not made any point regarding "what transpired, actions and inactions of President Obasanjo, her removal from Finance Ministry and as Head Economic Team" apart from hearsay. When you bring facts, you will be taken serious. 3 Likes |
Re: .......... by OLADD: 9:42am On Nov 14, 2014 |
barcanista:[color=#006600][/color] Here he goes again. Barcanista, a man so passionate in dishing out lies and half truthsl to the world. May the good God forgive you. 1. Yes, Alarms was pardoned and so was Ojukwu pardoned by OBJ despite millions of Nigerians dying in his hands. 2. When have you suddenly turned yourself to a law court where people are condemned without trial? Did GEJ prevent any court case instituted by you or Lai Mohammed, your mentor against Stella? 3. You can turn yourself to a judge and advocate by jailing those officials with out court verdict. I am sure you assume Jonathan is now the Chief Judge of Nigeria. 4, Barcanista, why is your life like this? Can you tell Nigerians when the case against Fani Kayode was withdrawn and under what circumstance. Well, the case against FFK is still subsisting. 5 Why can't you tell Nigerians the reasons adduced by FG for dropping the case against Abacha's son? Do you want repatriation of the stolen fund to be stalled because uneccessary litigation? 6 Barcanista, you are a disgrace. Why can't' you direct your venom to Tambuwwal under whose reign Farouk commited the crime. Will Jonathan coerce the court to speedup his trial and conviction? Has the FG not done its part by dragging Farouk to court for prosecution? 7 The case against Bode George was pursued up to the Supreme Court where the man was duly discharged and acquitted after he was adjudged to have been unjustly convicted by lower courts. Was it Jonathan that forced the Supreme court judges to pass their verdicts? Barcanista, fear your conscience and God. 8 Ask Tambuwwal and the opposition to step up their pursuit of the case and stop playing judge and advocate. If the House is so sure of their allegations, let them institute another case to vacate any judgement passed in favour of Stella, or else they should keep shut until the end of this universe. And finally, if you have any evidence that alludes to the fact that Jonathan prevents EFCC or ICPC from prosecuting corrupt officials, pls avail us such. In the absence of that please shut your mouth again and stop bringing down. fellow Nigerians with media propaganda and Satanic accusations. Period. 4 Likes |
Re: .......... by Whynotthetruth(m): 9:56am On Nov 14, 2014 |
Is it that your party is tired of marketing their candidates now that you now have to compare individuals from same party? Implicitly, you are saying that PDP isn't bad after all? If they have solid programs, let them continue then.... |
Re: .......... by Nobody: 10:25am On Nov 14, 2014 |
Whynotthetruth:We can't compare Jonathan and Buhari because the latter is light years ahead of him. Comparing Jonathan to Obasanjo means comparing a Failed Government(Obj) with a Very Woeful one(Jonathan). |
Re: .......... by Olaolufred(m): 10:33am On Nov 14, 2014 |
barcanista: DARKNESS WILL ALWAYS GANG UP AGAINST LIGHT. BUT THEY WILL FAIL THIS TIME. |
Re: .......... by Nobody: 10:59am On Nov 14, 2014 |
Bolded is one of the things that GEJ did right. Abacha did not loot the evidence it clear. Ask why despite 8 good years in power thief Obasanjo failed to bring Mohamed Abacha to trial? because he knew he had no case against him. barcanista: 1 Like |
Re: .......... by Whynotthetruth(m): 11:01am On Nov 14, 2014 |
barcanista: Lolz... that's very thoughtful of you guys...I wouldn't want us to go back to the argument where@datolee whitewashed you and your Saint Buhari and let the world see the truth about his administration. But in your conscience, do you really believe in this buhari guy with all his irresponsible comments on national discuss? How do you sleep at night after dishing out lies and maligning personalities for personal aggrandizement? Further more, if Obj ran a FAILED GOVERNMENT as you said...do you think you will be accessing the internet easily now running all these lies, hatred and propaganda? If GEJ is running a WOEFUL GOVERNMENT according to you...don't you think you would have be sacrificed to your village deity for spreading such falsehood and maligning his name and administration unjustly in the name of enjoying the freedom of expression under democracy? 3 Likes |
Re: .......... by Nobody: 11:03am On Nov 14, 2014 |
Olaolufred:Amen and Amen |
Re: .......... by Nobody: 11:23am On Nov 14, 2014 |
Why compare like with like? Thief Obasanjo in my opinion has done far more harm than GEJ. If you wanted to do a comparision you should have chosen Abacha versus GEJ or better still Buhari vs GEJ barcanista: |
Re: .......... by jamace(m): 11:30am On Nov 14, 2014 |
Obj coerced a governor to be giving bribe every month to political godfather. Who says obj is a saint? http://www.punchng.com/news/i-was-forced-to-pay-a-godfather-n10m-monthly-as-anambra-governor-mbadinuju/ 1 Like |
Re: .......... by jamace(m): 11:37am On Nov 14, 2014 |
Who says obj fought corruption? LWKMD . Please be informed that obj enriched himself to stupendous wealth: https://www.nairaland.com/1580013/derivation-deprivation-ii-ill-gotten-wealth 1 Like |
Re: .......... by Nobody: 11:50am On Nov 14, 2014 |
Barcanista its better we let this thread die a natural death, because I can never allow anybody to give Thief Obasanjo any credit he does not deserve 2 Likes |
Re: .......... by Nobody: 12:07pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
GenBuhari:Bros, You are missing it. I and other progressives are not saying Obj was a good guy, but he made some decisions worthy of note. He secured the conviction of prominent men within his party and even a Governor. This Administration would rather have a Tea Party with them. |
Re: .......... by miiraaj: 12:08pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
GenBuhari: barcanista: GenBuhari, with due respect, I will advice you to desist from absolving late Gen Abacha of corruption. |
Re: .......... by Nobody: 12:12pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
General Sani Abacha absolutely was not corrupt. You only have to look at the corruption and honesty record of all those that are accusing him and you should be able to reach the same conclusion. If his excellent economic record has not convinced you of his innocence. miiraaj: |
Re: .......... by Nobody: 12:16pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
To be honest my view of Obasanjo is such that if he says somebody is corrupt it is very probable that the person is not corrupt and I would have to double check the person's record myself. The man is a pure criminal and all non-criminals are automatically is enemy. barcanista: |
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