decode55:
They've finally gotten what they wanted.

Its all good sha.

But one thing is certain:


the title: Consultant as a Doctor is entirely different from the same title as a Nurse or Cleaner.


NMA still has the upper hand though

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what's the craze about being FTC?


SMH

Have you seen the circular? It is the same OLD circular you and I are familiar with.

Really api dos doctrs got wnt dy deserve, so egocentric individuals and just all abt demselves...we wil c wht dos scumbags wud say when FG finally equates HND wt Bsc......won ni duro wo tan

practicalclass:
Nurses run shift in the hospital, doctors don't
If something goes wrong in management of a patient, they go for the doctor's head not the nurse
Doctors go through rigorous training, reading all the books in the world and are trained to know somethings about the other units in the health sector
Doctors spend 15hrs and more in a day on their feet while at work even at the detriment of their health and u see them collapsing at work
But yet every body wants more money but dont want the work
#smh#

Even with all the 7-days a week book you read, you could not understand the OP.


SMH!

drnoel:


But that's not true. Nurse attain chief matron status which is synonymous to consultancy. They just don't call em consultants. This thing they are looking 4 will choke them in the throat. It's just cos they think doctors enjoy certain rights which they are not wrong to think but then.....

This is where you get it wrong, why do you think we call them consultant Nurse in the UK? what's the difference?

uchennaq:
ANOTHER ARGUMENT BASED ON IGNORANCE
You guys don't know what we want and the agreement with govt you don't become a consultant base on union activities rather you become a consultant base on educational qualification

Abi my brother....but these are doctors posting na...they are learned...a consultant nurse will only be a consultant in her field, and not in d medical field,no sane person will consult a nurse for a surgery,cos that's not the job description of a nurse but a surgeons,but one can consult a nurse on services involving nursing,and so theirs will be different entirely from that of a medical doctor.. so why d vendetta?

Karleb:




Even with all the 7-days a week book you read, you could not understand the OP.


SMH!

All of una just dey post without reading and understanding what is posted.
Advice for you all: Go and sit in a federal hospital's ward for 24hrs or better still get a job as a nurse or as a consultant lab technician.

yaskarahyelhope:
Dis is of perfect timing. Understand dat we are all diff bodies in d health sector. No one will be infringing on d other as consultants. At least every health worker body can be a director and not assistant directors and also CMDs. We alws want to av hospitals like d developed countries but not recognizing others. Check out their consultations. D only same shd be d administrative part.

Pharmacists, if U want to cut out, no probs. I guess U'll just av ya own union. We aren't competing wt NMA's salary scale. But JOHESU's own was approved which led NMA into strike. And coz of dat d court overruled it, which is not fair. Our salary can't be same wt d drs but they must pay us wat they promised us.

If NMA goes on strike coz of dis, then they've made demselves selfish unreasonable children and confused professionals. Don't blame Jonathan, ask Onyebuchi aw far. He started dis madness. Even d drs knows he's cause.

Thank U FG. Long live GEJ!

Get yourself educated on the issues.

Salary and wages commission made some mistakes in CONMESS circular ( Doctor's salary scale), NMA agitated for correction which was 'rectified' but not captured in 2014 budget. FG sourced 2 months arrears and paid as a mark of 'commitment' to NMA that the money ( including arrears) will be paid in 2015, I cant remember NMA having any 'new salary scale' nor can I remember JOHESU raising observation concerning any mistake in existing CONHESS circular.

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Sometimes, pharmacist do recommend other drugs different from what the doctor prescribed though.

adeoladrg:


You know next to nothing.. You're one of the problems facing the health sector.

Raising a counter response would have been better.

Billyonaire:
These doctors are educated people with ants mentality. How can you ask for higher salaries at a time Crude Oil prices have fallen to the lowest in recent years ? Na wa o

Are you sure your brain is working? Kindly read the post again, no nigerian medical doctor is asking for salary increment at the moment.

drnoel:

It's what I tell people down here. U can imagine doctors from other parts of the Africa and the world that I met are laughing at nigeria cos they have also heard this news. Someone told me yesterday, so after all this year's u spent training at home and here. When u return a nursing sister will also be a consultant as u.

drnoel:

It's what I tell people down here. U can imagine doctors from other parts of the Africa and the world that I met are laughing at nigeria cos they have also heard this news. Someone told me yesterday, so after all this year's u spent training at home and here. When u return a nursing sister will also be a consultant as u.

Not all health workers would be called consultants except those who have the necessary postgraduate qualifications as speltout by the various proffessional bodies.If any healthworker has met the nccessary requirement, which includes:Research, educational qualification i.e postgraduate, and work experience, they sure deserve it.Besides, these people have been enjoying these consultancy before the Onyebuchi act!

olisaEze:
The problem of nigeria and nigerians has always be d issue of title, oke afa n'egbu nwankita. So ure nw a consultant congrats but hw does it affect d country and improve d health sector?wht is a radiographer consulting on, abi wil he also conduct ward rounds? I ddnt see any of diz pple dyin or in d frontlines of d ebola outbreak? Whr wer these pple whn nurses n doctors wer losing their lives 2keep the epidemic frm spreading?

Dr.s were on strike during the Ebola outbreak.

born2lead01:
Easy access to internet is making even educated people becoming more stupi.d daily; PCN will not make a pharmacy technician with 3years education a consultant nor will NMCN make a graduate nurse without additional education and training a consultant nurse. Use your brain dude,not every physician in the county is a consultant and same won't go for others.

No regulatory body in nigeria assigns the title 'consultant' to anybody. Regulatory bodies ONLY licence an individual as a 'specialist' in a particular area, this qualify the person for 'appointment' as consultant by any hospital.

Olaskybab:

u're a confused man......
Under normal health system,doctors only daignose disease....nd here,wen a doctor prescribes wrongly nd a pharmacist dispenses d partclar drug,d Pharmacist's certificate will b ceased if it leads 2 d death of d patient. Wu suffers?

ure callin somone a confused man whn ure totally clueless on d role of a medical doctor. So ur doctor jst diagnoses n walks away? Abeg wch pharmacist has lost his job as a result of mortality rate review? Ignorant ignoramus!

joker5180:
Raising a counter response would have been better.

I did. Go back and check!

drnoel:


But that's not true. Nurse attain chief matron status which is synonymous to consultancy. They just don't call em consultants. This thing they are looking 4 will choke them in the throat. It's just cos they think doctors enjoy certain rights which they are not wrong to think but then.....

No. I believe a consultant nurse to be different from a matron. Eriko's definition of consultant nurse fits what they call nurse practitioner in Canada. You can become a nurse practitioner by taking a msc or PhD and specialize in a particular aspect of patient care. I don't think going for further studies makes one a matron in naija.

erico2k2:

This is where you get it wrong, why do you think we call them consultant Nurse in the UK? what's the difference?

A consultant nurse is a nurse who after the completion of her nursing training has also completed masters and post doctoral studies and then has been widely published, I think up to 2-4 years research experience. This nurse is then accepted to be a consultant nurse if the hospital she is working in together with their nursing board decides she has enof experience to get that title. That is why they call them consultant nurses in the UK and other countries that use those. Believe me I know cos I work with many of them. I have even held some upgrade lectures for their nursing consultants a few times in the past.

THUNDER4real:
You still have childish thinking till now, Na wa ooo, pls try and grow up.

Oh buzz off, a$$ wipe...oh wait, congratulations consultant...

saxywale:

No. I believe a consultant nurse to be different from a matron. Eriko's definition of consultant nurse fits what they call nurse practitioner in Canada. You can become a nurse practitioner by taking a msc or PhD and specialize in a particular aspect of patient care. I don't think going for further studies makes one a matron in naija.

I was attributing the chief matron status to matrons who have Bsc nursing, long years nursing experience with a masters or phd in nursing.

Rubbish !
Absolute rubbish !!
As far as I'm concern this is "end stage Nig health sector decay"

drnoel:

I was attributing the chief matron status to matrons who have Bsc nursing, long years nursing experience with a masters or phd in nursing.

okay.

drnoel:



This is a catastrophe. It's really bad. The idea behind this decision is to remove the supposed monopoly that doctors enjoy but the problem with this decision is that the patients will suffer. Pls 4 those of u ignorant about what this means. It is quite simple. A consultant nurse will have have equal decision making in patients management as a consultant doctor in nigeria. Even this is not practiced in developed countries that Nigerians love emulating.

U people rejoicing now keep rejoicing till the first casualties start coming out. This decision has already claimed it's first casualty in UCH. I heard a paediatric surgeon operated on a patient and went home in order to return the next day for his ward round. When he returned the consultant nurse had done her ward round and had opened and inspected the operation wound. The operating doctors asked the nurses at their station to pls reopen the wound so that the consultant who by the way was the person that operated to inspect the wound himself but the nurses refused saying they had done their ward round and they won't open the wound again. The surgeons angrily left and refused to return cos of the way they were treated by the nurses. The child died from infection 4 days later. I don't wish anyone this on anyone but this information is from a reliable source.
In developed countries only doctors are called consultants cos they consult. Now other health care professions ourside medicine us other names to represent their consultants. This is so there would not be any confusion on who has the last say on patient matters. This decision is bad for the Nigerian healthcare system and u guys will see it with ur own eyes in the coming years unless they clearly state the limitations of the non medical consultants.

Mbok tell them. In Engineering, there's a reason we have a hierarchical structure with the Engineer at the top (thanks to his years of training as an engineer and a manager), followed by technicians/technologists, and craftsmen. Same ought to apply in a medical team where the doctor leads, thanks to years or rigorous training, followed by nurses who are basically like the military ' s NCOs and rank - and - file, with pharmacists and lab technicians playing support. But noooooo, the lower cadre via JOHESU want to be placed on equal footing with doctors. It's like rank-&-file soldiers and their NCOs (Sargent, etc) demanding that they be made equal to Academy trained Officers (Leutenants to Generals).

adahib:
Funny country,Nigeria.... It's okay that this has finally been approved. I hope there will be peace now. What people fail to understand is that there will be massive confusion in the hospitals. We live in a country where everyone remotely related to the hospital is called a doctor without them making any attempt to correct such individuals. I can bet an arm and a leg that these consultant cleaners,nurses,lab scientists etc will never correct the confused patients. They will play on the ignorance of patients to claim doctors. It's all good though,that's what we want.

But wait oo,I hope the members of juhesu are willing to go through the process of becoming a consultant and not pushing the argument of "i've worked for 20years and so I should be a consultant". Even a doctor who has worked for 20years can't be a consultant without going through the process.

Our government sef. They just sign and approve things without doing proper research. I'm sure that the members of juhesu agitating for consultant status will not be kind enough to inform us that even though there are consultant nurses,they are not in hospitals but mostly used in legal cases and even though there are consultant pharmacists,they are only seen in aged people homes or private practice and not in government hospitals. But in Nigeria,they want to be in the clinics and compete with the doctors. I hope this cures their inferiority complex. It's okay sha,as far as everyone is happy...

It's election season. So I'm pretty sure the govt said that just to shut JOHESU up.

ocelot2006:


Oh buzz off, a$$ wipe...oh wait, congratulations consultant...

You are still a small boy, you're thinking capacity has always being zero..

FRCS:
Rubbish !
Absolute rubbish !!
As far as I'm concern this is "end stage Nig health sector decay"

Completely agree

Cry me a river. Presently in Nigeria, there is nothing like chief matron again...wonder whether a male nurse will be called a matron too. Chief nursing officer is the designation and rank which is equivalent to chief medical officer, chief medical laboratory scientists and the rest but not equivalent to a consultant nurse.
With a basic degree all these professionals can reach this level but with additional qualifications from the regulating body the officer can be elevated to a consultant level.

A proud nurse representing..

olisaEze:
ure callin somone a confused man whn ure totally clueless on d role of a medical doctor. So ur doctor jst diagnoses n walks away? Abeg wch pharmacist has lost his job as a result of mortality rate review? Ignorant ignoramus!

Bleep u! Nd If I May Ask,wot do u do 4 a livin?

He however said that JOHESU would be embarking on a fresh strike because doctors had been receiving new salary structure to the detriment of other health workers.

This is probably the craziest reason for anyone to go on strike.

MrsAwesome:
Cry me a river. Presently in Nigeria, there is nothing like chief matron again...wonder whether a male nurse will be called a matron too. Chief nursing officer is the designation and rank which is equivalent to chief medical officer, chief medical laboratory scientists and the rest but not equivalent to a consultant nurse.
With a basic degree all these professionals can reach this level but with additional qualifications from the regulating body the officer can be elevated to a consultant level.

A proud nurse representing..

True but I enjoy calling them chief matrons. More fun 4 me to their discomfort.