trustman:
Joagbaje was very emphatic, one can even say too emphatic, about this case. That posture should ordinarily mean that he was very sure of his position. Offering half a million Naira would appear to any observer that he was absolutely confident of his claim. A person has to be completely sure to have gone that far. 

However, given the turn of events it is obvious that Joagbaje not only failed to  
" test the spirits to see whether they are from God" but may himself now be classified among the " many false prophets (that) have gone out into the world." By this revelation ALL his other claims, and even his church's, are now QUESTIONABLE. 

SirJohn has been able to prove that this guy wasn't healed of HIV. That was the challenge. Not if joagbaje was deceived. Not anything else. Will Joagbaje keep his own side of the bargain? That is the 'common sense' thing to do. I don't seem to have seen him respond to SirJohn's simple questions. Is it a question of 'silence means consent' or that of tactical withdrawal to 'rearm'? I see some 'suggestions' being offered to Joagbaje by some who think "The only clear thing here is folks blowing stuffs out of proportions.". Really!! Does the word 'INTEGRITY' mean anything to these guys?

The bigger issue now is really this: will they learn from this or simply attribute it to the devil's work and continue to peddle their trade? The lives of many other people are at stake. 

Excellent comment. Well what they have is a business organisation and Joagbaje runs the bayelsa branch. He is an employee and must render accounts of his stewardship or he would get fired. Hence, I do not see Joagbaje turning a new leaf but to continue in the deceit and even more aggressively because targets are increased on a proportional level. Little wonder the organisation is doing so well. But the big question is where and why are they accumulating this wealth?

How do you catch HIV because you failed to offer Firstfruits?
Can any present or former Christ Embassy confirm/deny if there is such a teaching

Gombs,mbaemeka.....

Has Joagbaje paid SirJohn? That's the main ish now

vooks:
How do you catch HIV because you failed to offer Firstfruits?
Can any present or former Christ Embassy confirm/deny if there is such a teaching

Gombs,mbaemeka.....

I will show you that this is nomal in some pentecost/charismatic churches who want firstfruit.

I also read something like this on the facebookk of the RCCG church about first fruit and paying.

@sirjohn
Come and conclude the report of your investigation oh! Or has Joagbaje been begging you behind the scene to discontinue it You owe us all the concluding details of this investigation. People ought to be aware less they fall victim to charlatans who would tell them that it is not paying first fruits that causes HIV.

PastorKun:
@sirjohn
Come and conclude the report of your investigation oh! Or has Joagbaje been begging you behind the scene to discontinue it You owe us all the concluding details of this investigation. People ought to be aware less they fall victim to charlatans who would tell them that it is not paying first fruits that causes HIV.

@PastorKun, I don't think it is necessary to release any more detail especially considering the fact that Joagbaje did not contest the burst.
He has apologised for any misrepresentation his actions caused and has tried to explain his involvement in the issue.
The point has been made, THERE WAS NO MIRACULOUS CURE OF HIV
The details I posted already is causing no small stir as I already had someone accuse me of blackmailing Joagbaje, and threatened to arrest and jail me well I've told him to bring it on.

SirJohn:


@PastorKun, I don't think it is necessary to release any more detail especially considering the fact that Joagbaje did not contest the burst.
He has apologised for any misrepresentation his actions caused and has tried to explain his involvement in the issue.
The point has been made, THERE WAS NO MIRACULOUS CURE OF HIV
The details I posted already is causing no small stir as I already had someone accuse me of blackmailing Joagbaje, and threatened to arrest and jail me well I've told him to bring it on.

That must be Gombs. They want you to get scared and stop. Please you owe posterity. Release the ammunition but don't make any conclusion. Let the reader make up his own opinion.

SirJohn:


@PastorKun, I don't think it is necessary to release any more detail especially considering the fact that Joagbaje did not contest the burst.
He has apologised for any misrepresentation his actions caused and has tried to explain his involvement in the issue.
The point has been made, THERE WAS NO MIRACULOUS CURE OF HIV
The details I posted already is causing no small stir as I already had someone accuse me of blackmailing Joagbaje, and threatened to arrest and jail me well I've told him to bring it on.

Whoever threatened you will live his/her life under threat. I swear, anyone who dares lift a finger against you has personal scores to settle with me and I assure you the needful will be done swiftly. Let them try. We are waiting.

Boss13:


Excellent comment. Well what they have is a business organisation and Joagbaje runs the bayelsa branch. He is an employee and must render accounts of his stewardship or he would get fired. Hence, I do not see Joagbaje turning a new leaf but to continue in the deceit and even more aggressively because targets are increased on a proportional level. Little wonder the organisation is doing so well. But the big question is where and why are they accumulating this wealth?

You sabi the gist.

Bunch of knaves they are!

I am only keeping quiet out of restraint. If I start to reveal their inner workings, Nairaland would not be able to contain the commotion.

nep2ra:


You sabi the gist.

Bunch of knaves they are!

I am only keeping quiet out of restraint. If I start to reveal their inner workings, Nairaland would not be able to contain the commotion.

Please we have to make all public because that the people wake up because at the moment many follow a heresy gospel and that is dangerous.
That the people start to know what it means to by a real christian.

vooks:
How do you catch HIV because you failed to offer Firstfruits?
Can any present or former Christ Embassy confirm/deny if there is such a teaching

Gombs,mbaemeka.....

Well, you know that some kinds of people like to be promiscuous and that in so being they have a high risk of catching std. If you offer firstfruits the good lord will turn a blind eye to your promiscuity and absolve you of all std. But if you should fail at any juncture, then the full wrath of the good lawd will descend upon thee.

std like HIV have nothing to do with lifestyle and sexual patterns but everything to do with first fruits.

PastorAIO:


Well, you know that some kinds of people like to be promiscuous and that in so being they have a high risk of catching std. If you offer firstfruits the good lord will turn a blind eye to your promiscuity and absolve you of all std. But if you should fail at any juncture, then the full wrath of the good lawd will descend upon thee.

std like HIV have nothing to do with lifestyle and sexual patterns but everything to do with first fruits.

Can't stop laughing though this is no laughing matter

SirJohn:


@PastorKun, I don't think it is necessary to release any more detail especially considering the fact that Joagbaje did not contest the burst.
He has apologised for any misrepresentation his actions caused and has tried to explain his involvement in the issue.
The point has been made, THERE WAS NO MIRACULOUS CURE OF HIV
The details I posted already is causing no small stir as I already had someone accuse me of blackmailing Joagbaje, and threatened to arrest and jail me well I've told him to bring it on.

That person has a better option, he should give the amount he's willing to waste to joagbaje to pay up the debt he incurred.

Jo Agbaje just had his aśs handed to him. Not for the the first time though but this episode is so cogent it simply can't be dismissed with a wave of the hand.One thing's for sure. This story deserves a Discovery Channel slot. 'How a fake and fraudulent healer was outed'. Sir John,you deserve to be knighted for services to investigative reporting/journalism. If you're not a journalist,you've missed your calling.
Jo Agbaje,remember how i took you to the cleaners on your ebola healing shenanigans? Your reputation has taken another major hit, & this time i doubt you'll ever recover. You should be ashamed of yourself. I feel for you & your ilk.

trustman:
Joagbaje was very emphatic, one can even say too emphatic, about this case. That posture should ordinarily mean that he was very sure of his position. Offering half a million Naira would appear to any observer that he was absolutely confident of his claim. A person has to be completely sure to have gone that far. 

However, given the turn of events it is obvious that Joagbaje not only failed to  
" test the spirits to see whether they are from God" but may himself now be classified among the " many false prophets (that) have gone out into the world." By this revelation ALL his other claims, and even his church's, are now QUESTIONABLE. 

SirJohn has been able to prove that this guy wasn't healed of HIV. That was the challenge. Not if joagbaje was deceived. Not anything else. Will Joagbaje keep his own side of the bargain? That is the 'common sense' thing to do. I don't seem to have seen him respond to SirJohn's simple questions. Is it a question of 'silence means consent' or that of tactical withdrawal to 'rearm'? I see some 'suggestions' being offered to Joagbaje by some who think "The only clear thing here is folks blowing stuffs out of proportions.". Really!! Does the word 'INTEGRITY' mean anything to these guys?

The bigger issue now is really this: will they learn from this or simply attribute it to the devil's work and continue to peddle their trade? The lives of many other people are at stake. 

Woke up this morning facing the prospect of a daunting day at the office on the weekend.
This has made my day and I am less forlorn.

it's amazing how supposed christians dispose of the virtue of integrity these days but that is what the/prosperity gospel by which joe and his mentors and ilk does to you.
Whatever the charlatan and his cohorts say it doesn't matter. the evidence is weighty,damning and beyond any shadow of doubt. Sir John did what mr. joe agbaje should hsve done and in my eyes is more quslified of the title that that fraud is bandying about for his greedy and selfish ends.

Already another simpleton has opened a thread and titled it the 5 mistakes joagbaje made and blamed it as a conspiracy against the said pastor by the devil.

SirJohn:


@PastorKun, I don't think it is necessary to release any more detail especially considering the fact that Joagbaje did not contest the burst.
He has apologised for any misrepresentation his actions caused and has tried to explain his involvement in the issue.
The point has been made, THERE WAS NO MIRACULOUS CURE OF HIV
The details I posted already is causing no small stir as I already had someone accuse me of blackmailing Joagbaje, and threatened to arrest and jail me well I've told him to bring it on.

His apology is null and void because he was so sure he was right. So where is the misrepresentation coming from? He has not apologised for being dishonest (peddling a non existent claim)and for previously being rude,arrogant and uncouth.
Until he does such he is nothing but a fraudulent,arrogant charlatan bringing disrepute to the the name of Christ.

vooks:
How do you catch HIV because you failed to offer Firstfruits?
Can any present or former Christ Embassy confirm/deny if there is such a teaching

Gombs,mbaemeka.....

expecting any answers from thst duo is like expecting snow in oshodi.
One is busy posting gifs.
the other is tying himself in tortuous knots in the name of long posts that make absolutely no sense.

But that is the type of doctrine we see today,possibly in mr. joe agbaje's church.

PastorAIO:


Well, you know that some kinds of people like to be promiscuous and that in so being they have a high risk of catching std. If you offer firstfruits the good lord will turn a blind eye to your promiscuity and absolve you of all std. But if you should fail at any juncture, then the full wrath of the good lawd will descend upon thee.

std like HIV have nothing to do with lifestyle and sexual patterns but everything to do with first fruits.

You find that arrant nonsense in the prosperity gospel peddling organisations.

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vooks:
You need to watch this to understand how miracles are manufactured/staged and the gullible fooled


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8vhmb_bX1E

One would do well to read James Randi an atheist's expose on these back in the eighties

This video documentary is a must watch, it looks like its a very recent stuff. if only we can pull off something like this in Nigeria.
I'm shocked people will go some crazy length to deceive. Kudos to those brave church workers who agreed to expose their fraudulent 'daddy'

The HIV 'testimony' was broadcasted in November last year.
One of the snitches left the month three months ago and was there for only three months.

This is quite recent stuff.

The HIV guy reminds me of Joagbaje's clip

SirJohn:


This video documentary is a must watch, it looks like its a very recent stuff. if only we can pull off something like this in Nigeria.
I'm shocked people will go some crazy length to deceive. Kudos to those brave church workers who agreed to expose their fraudulent 'daddy'

I think boastful pastor got what he deserved
I remember challenging Gombs and some members of his ilk in a certain thread about verifying miracle claims, not long after this happens. SMH!
Their delusions are gradually drawing them out
but sir john you must be some ruthless investigator, first it was oyaks now its his protégé.

Benny hinn has once suffered the same embarrassment, please watch this video especially from 5:50mins.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnEo6-i_aZw

My own is, Jo should pay his 500k debt, if not some of us 'go really vex' o, Sir John must av spent so much in time and cash to pull such impecable journalistic stunt that has devastated d most shameless hypocsites and fraud promoters like d tithe collectors(u know them). @Jo , you don't av any excuse o, last wednesday's tithes, offerings and dif types of seeds is more than enough to pay ug. Abeg una don disgrace christianity enof. Remember d bible?s admonitions on paying ur debts.

christemmbassey:
My own is, Jo should pay his 500k debt, if not some of us 'go really vex' o, Sir John must av spent so much in time and cash to pull such impecable journalistic stunt that has devastated d most shameless hypocsites and fraud promoters like d tithe collectors(u know them). @Jo , you don't av any excuse o, last wednesday's tithes, offerings and dif types of seeds is more than enough to pay ug. Abeg una don disgrace christianity enof. Remember d bible?s admonitions on paying ur debts.

You want him to pay his 500k gbese with his Oga's tithes, offerings and seeds? you want him to loose his job? December 7 is coming up soon and he hasn't met his offer7 target which is an appraisal issue now you want to complicate matters for him by asking him to deep his grubby fingers into oga's tithe, take your time oh!

[size=14pt]Another test result by pastor yooguyz(a.k.a paulgrundy) (cancer case declared cancer free alledgedly by two clinics) needs investigation[/size];https://www.nairaland.com/1998443/paulgrundy-yooguyz-joagbajes-friend-claim

kudos to SIR JOHN!

I have always wondered why "healing" in churches should be publicized? Not like there is a church activity and the normal videoing. But going to the extent of editing videos using past prayers series to validate the "healing" and then uploading on YouTube or broadcasting on TV stations just "hours of healing/ miracles". Why? Why?? Why

Even when they say "Its to give Glory to God", I still can't wrap it round my head. Even if there was healing in any case, why will the Pastor be so intrested in publicizing it? Is this what the bible teaches. Jesus, in all the accounts of him we have, he never mentioned to anyone that he healed another. It is not important. It has nothing to do with Salvation of Souls which was what his ministry on earth was about, and which is what we ough to follow. It was the people that were impacted by his healings that went round telling others about the Man who healed them, who told them who there were. So it is the testifers business to spread the Word, not the Pastor! How much more bragging about it online?! How much more betting money to it?!

To me, its pure advertisement, nothing more. Which invariably makes it business!

After having followed this topic for a long time now, ordinarily, I should have given a conclusion but for the benefit of doubt, I join my voice with that of some former posters to pls I appeal to Joagbage to upload an entirely new evidence of someone that was healed of an obvious ailment like blindness at birth, polio etc and has stayed healed for a period of time (3 years or more will do). This will help to vindicate you that you were unaware of Jeff's pranks. Help our unbelief.

Disclaimer: Miracles still happen, and I believe.

PastorKun:


You want it to pay his 500k gbese with his Oga's tithes, offerings and seeds? you want him to loose his job? December 7 is coming up soon and he hasn't met his offer7 target which is an appraisal issue now you want to complicate matters for him by asking him to deep his grubby fingers into oga's tithe, take your time oh!

bros, i never send dog to steal pesin egg o. BTW, there are many gimmicks to raise emergency funds in these orgs. He can raise a prophet's offerings, wet pastor's throat offerings, 'I LOVE my pastor, pastor's showers, pastor's birthday in advance offerings(assuming he has already celebratied his 2014 b/d, end of year laughter seeds, key into pastor's anointing seeds etc all these has nothing to do with his employer's share. bros, Jo know what to do, how to spin d 500k, why do u think, he boasted so arrogantly? Jo, Sir John has been magnanimous and level headed enof to withhold further damning details, just respect ur anointing n church and pay up, if not 'American will know o' ! ! !

PastorAIO:


Well, you know that some kinds of people like to be promiscuous and that in so being they have a high risk of catching std. If you offer firstfruits the good lord will turn a blind eye to your promiscuity and absolve you of all std. But if you should fail at any juncture, then the full wrath of the good lawd will descend upon thee.

std like HIV have nothing to do with lifestyle and sexual patterns but everything to do with first fruits.

sighh...Lord have mercy! Which novel are u reading?

Kenyan28:
sighh...Lord have mercy! Which novel are u reading?

Sacarsm, my dear Watson. I hope. I have read more retardes bullcrap on this forum just this week.

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nora544:
https://www.nairaland.com/1881318/joagbaje-right-ebola-jesus-cure

read this because the orginal post was deleted when joagbaye want to show us that he could heal Ebola

Tanzania is only 4 hours drive from where I sit. This one......a story for another day. But as far as I know, there has not been an ebola case in the said country.