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Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by Mbediogu(m): 7:45pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
drered: The pharmacist does not have to act as consultant in order to do his job well. Mind you, not all doctors are consultants. The one that discovered and stopped the patient taking herbs in a ward did the job of a nurse and is asking for consultant status because of that. A pharmacist can also advice the doctor on certain drug issues. If the consultancy they seek brings them into direct consultation with patients, then.... Remember signs displayed in pharmacies - if symptoms persist, see a doctor. 4 Likes |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by mentorandfriend(m): 8:06pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
Samgreguc:Pray tell. But dont drag me into a mindless e-fight. I dont do e-fight. I have enough self respect for that. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by ocelot2006(m): 10:34pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
THUNDER4real: Says the "big man" with farts and turd for brain. Keep posting a$$ wipe |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by drered(m): 10:40pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
Mbediogu:But the MD has to right? No medical doctor wether senior reg or consultant knows as much about drugs as a fresh pharmacy graduate but then a specialist could know more about the drugs in his particular field. So what exactly is wrong in a pharmacist specialising in such fields and related fields to ensure the quality control of the medications used in that field? Or you think pharmacy is not as diverse?.. I agree that the MD's might spend a longer time getting to specialise than other health profession but then i expect their training to be just as rigorous and besides isn't that why M.D's earn higher than the others and isn't that the whole point of the relativity M.D's always stress? 2 Likes |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by THUNDER4real(m): 11:06pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
ocelot2006:Make una come see small pikin ooo, Continue reasoning from the anus. |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by Nobody: 11:19pm On Nov 14, 2014 |
decode55: No mind dem, never seen a group so shameless at copying others...when we develop another name dem too go open mouth say dem wan be am...bunch of copy & paste. |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by Samgreguc(m): 3:08am On Nov 15, 2014 |
mentorandfriend:if uv heard of that, u wil quickly go to modify dat post of urs. |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by iahmed(m): 3:46am On Nov 15, 2014 |
intergral:whoever said anything about ward maids or cleaners becoming consultants,i wonder why some people use their an*s for reasoning! |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by Olaskybab: 5:34am On Nov 15, 2014 |
retepmurt:Pharmacy**Pharmacognosy per say* |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by drered(m): 6:08am On Nov 15, 2014 |
drlawizle:Who really is copying who? Get a good book on the history of medicine.. Medicine became what it is today by encroaching other professions notably the midwives or how do you think O and G came about?.. Since when has becoming a specialist in one's field become an exclusivity for M.D's that everyone is copying?.. You an M.D and you don't even have the basic capacity to reason.. Smh 1 Like |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by MrsAwesome: 6:30am On Nov 15, 2014 |
drered:Tell'em. My beloved midwifery has been blackmailed into oblivion by O and G, in US but still waxing stronger in some other countries. MD's stepping on toes of other professionals for far too long, they lobby, blackmail and cajole to achieve their aims. If you doubt me, check nurse practitioners and physicians turf wars in US. Don't quote me, JOHESU gave me free days to surf the net and relax. 1 Like |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by intergral(m): 6:36am On Nov 15, 2014 |
iahmed:. Yea I know why you use your an*s for reasoning.......... Cos you're a slowpoke |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by ebyooc: 6:47am On Nov 15, 2014 |
All health workers can now be consultants - johesu not Fg. Go through the circular and see who is deceiving who
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Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by drered(m): 7:05am On Nov 15, 2014 |
Mbediogu:I ignored some of your points by error and going through your post again i can understand why.. Firstly, "the one" is a pharmacist, and identifying drug-drug, drug-herb interaction among many others is one of the basics of the pharmacology both medical and pharmacy students are taught. Pharmacist know more of pharmacology so it is understandable why a pharmacist will identify potential interactions wether drug-drug, drug-herb, drug-disease.. Nd that exactly is where my point lies.. How exactly does your last phrase relate to anything we are talking about? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by Nobody: 7:45am On Nov 15, 2014 |
drered: So doctors encroached on midwives ko? Its your type that keeps misinforming d public cos your reasoning is only good @ insulting doctors...I will rather not reason @ol dan reason d way you do. 1 Like |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by mentorandfriend(m): 8:39am On Nov 15, 2014 |
Samgreguc:Mtchew. I thought you were intelligent, or had something better to say. I was gearing up for an intelligent dicussion with you; didnt know you're one of the 12 year olds on nairaland. Well, its only on a faceless forum as this that people can afford to insult their uncles and aunts. So bad. Please dont quote me again because I wont reply you. We are class apart. |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by MrsAwesome: 9:31am On Nov 15, 2014 |
drlawizle:You can't see it in Davidson textbook, get some history on encroachment of O and G into midwifery in Wikipedia. |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by Mbediogu(m): 10:46am On Nov 15, 2014 |
drered: Pharmacy is alll about drugs ..agreed. Medicine is about drugs and DISEASES, among others. Or is ther any pharm course known as patho-pharmacy? All the experiments you do in pharmacology are based on response of HEALTHY tissues. Medicine and therapeutics are based on responses of diseased tissues to drugs (or medicine, which is the true name of profession of medical doctors). This is not to belittle the pharmacy profession which is an important basis of all mediacal practices whether orthodox or traditional. Pharmacists concentrating in their core area can revolutionize the art of healing, but that cannot be achieved thro interaction with patients because they are not trained in clerkship, history taking, systemic exams, and lab investigations and interpretation. A doctor is also a mini -pharmacist, -nurse, -labman, all rolled into one. Let us stop inhouse fighting within our sacred joint humanitarian profession. As an old doctor, father of a 3rd MBBS student, and in-law to a pharmacist, I feel sad about the goings on in health sector. 1 Like |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by Nobody: 11:08am On Nov 15, 2014 |
MrsAwesome: Ofcourse you'll rather believe wikipedia & slam medical textbooks to drive home your point...you think I got the time to confirm a misguided, envious & frustrated group's point of view... I have a life, y'all should go get one as well. |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by Samgreguc(m): 12:13pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
mentorandfriend:U knw u are very intelligent. If not for your intelligence, u wud av attacked d message. |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by drered(m): 12:29pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
Mbediogu:First, I gotta commend you sir.. 3 MBBS graduates? Not easy.. But then it is very understandable that you don't know how much pharmacy has evolved since its been a while you've been out of school.. Clinical pharmacy is the aspect of pharmacy that deals with all disease states, their epidemiology, aetiology, risk factors, pathophysiology, signs and symptoms, diagnosis, therapy;both pharmacological and non pharmacological.. Experiments done in pharmacology are based on both response of healthy and diseased tissues with certain conditions/diseases being induced invivo and histological examinations being carried out.. A little bit of pathology is done in both pharmacology, pharmaceutical microbiology and clinical pharmacy however definitely not as much as MBBS students.. Sir, you are really way behind on how we are trained and from this I can infer why MD's try so hard to belittle pharmacy students/pharmacists. Pharmacy students go on ward rounds, they clerk patients, they have been trained on history taking and how to interpret lab investigations.. Pharmacy students in UI are currently going for their clerkship in UCH.. The truth is pharmacist qualify as mini-doctors to an extent because the knowledge shared with doctors is not mutually exclusive.. The pharmacy profession cannot be belittled by anybody sir because unlike medicine where we know a lot about in some areas and a little in others. Their are aspects of pharmacy a non-pharmacist knows nothing about.. Can a medical doctor make any substantial contribution on Pharmaceutical chemistry? Pharmaceutics? Quality assurance and quality control of pharmaceuticals? Drug design? The chemical basis or the synthesis of drugs he so proudly claims he knows all about?.. I do agree with you that the current situation is sad and needs to be addressed though but then it should start with the M.D's and their god complex.. You can't imagine how M.D ( especially senior reg's and some consultants in UCH) verbally insult pharmacy students going on ward rounds using all sorts of derogatory terms.. Where will the cohesion then come from? Nobody has ever ascended by trying to pull others down.. I say "trying" because they can only try.. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by Samgreguc(m): 12:37pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
Mbediogu:Well, permit me to correct the part I can correct for now. 1. You only know the Pharmacology part of Pharmacy which is not up to 1/4 of Pharmacy. 2. All those things you said Pharmacist aint trained in,,,,, we are trained there. 3. Pharmacy students do Patho-Pharmacy if you must knw in year 3 . 1 Like |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by MrsAwesome: 1:25pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
drlawizle:You sound frustrated. I rather believe a detail history textbooks, documented and proven stories concerning what I am talking about than a trump up half baked stories from a pre-med student. |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by adeoladrg(m): 2:17pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
Mbediogu: You see sir, I was going to wash this post before I read your last statement. An old doctor who wrote this fallacious post about Pharmacy? It's sad you don't know pharmacists do lab investigations and interpretations. It's sad you don't know pharmacists are trained in clerkship(final year in my school). And then I thought, you're a Nigerian. What can you know? But as a 3rd year pharmacy student, I can feel your sadness about what's going on in our health sector! 1 Like |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by Unbias: 2:34pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
Doctors claim to be mini-pharmacists, pharmacists claim to be mini-doctors. I am not trying to be bias but I think every health-related profession has the right to state their agitation and regulate their field without objections from other health professioners. In as much as you cannot or would not do the job of a pharmacist, nurse, lab scientists etc even if you can, then there is no reason to set limits for them. Also, lack of courtesy for other health workers by medical doctors is contributing to this brouhaha in our health sector. I have witnessed a scene where the doctor embarrased a nurse so much that I almost confronted him as a patient. I respect medical practitioners and they are quite indispensable in the health sector. However, they need to understand they can't do the work alone; others are indispensable too. 2 Likes |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by drered(m): 2:42pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
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Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by Nobody: 6:14pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
MrsAwesome: Lol...someone with a life cant sound frustrated....only lowlifers like you checking up on "history-books" to bring down other profession so as to boost dr own self esteem are the frustrated ones...keep spreading the lies...those that have eyes can see 2ru your battered self esteem & your effort @ repairing it... Unfortunately insulting me wont solve d@...once again I say: go and get a life! |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by Samgreguc(m): 10:43pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
drlawizle:history can never die. |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by Nobody: 10:57pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
Samgreguc: Ofcourse the history your professional ancestors & tutors made you believe...go to nursing school & see d nonsense dy teach dse young minds on how they are equal to doctors, on how doctors are nothing, on how dey are even better than doctors...dy even encourage dem to read medical texts & abandon dr own texts just to prove doctors are nothing (wat a life) little wonder they graduate and the only thing dey learn is how to disregard doctors...a patient is simply having rigors and dey tell d doctor he's convulsing...a nurse telling me to come & review a patient & all she could write in the referral booklet was " come & see this new patient" no knowledge on signs & symptoms...mtchew! I dont blame y'all though, d country itself is topsy-turvy anyway. 1 Like |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by iahmed(m): 11:04pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by MrsAwesome: 11:06pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
drlawizle:Lawyers are call learned professionals because they gains bulks of evidence from documented and proven texts etc and whoop asses with it but educated illiterates like you fails to understand the importance that is why you can't present a good debate without reverting to insults because you lack the substance to act and think rationally . Continue wallowing in self pity and importance if it makes you fell good. No point trading words with you. Already has a larger than life self esteem that is making you squirm in your sit. |
Re: All Health Workers Can Now Be Consultants-fg by Nobody: 11:24pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
MrsAwesome: Compare what I wrote & what you just quoted & see who reverts to insults. I see that you still dont believe you have low self-esteem...your insults are just a failed attempt @covering it up & it exposes your insecurity the more..its a defense mechanism if you dont know. Its not my fault if you cant believe in yourself so dont get mad @me by telling me i got a larger than life self esteem...rather I got a healthy dose of it...even if I leave medicine it will still be intact. My profession doesnt determine my self esteem so I dont need to pull others down to feel good...& for your so called facts only a dumb layer will have his ass whooped by not preparing & presenting his own fact as well..so you really have no point there...everybody brings his own fact up to support his case & its left for the judge & jury to decide...there you go.... |
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