10. They Refuse To Go To War Or Bear Arms In Conflict
When it comes to war, Jehovah’s Witnesses refuse to bear
arms or engage in war or conflict of any kind—even when
refusing means imprisonment or execution.
Claiming to be a continuation of a first-century Christian
congregation, they cite the ancient faith’s refusal to participate
in war as one reason for their own refusal. Confirming this
historical fact, The Encyclopedia of Religion and War states
that the first disciples felt that war and political conflict were
“incompatible with the love ethic of Jesus and the injunction
to love one’s enemies.”
They also cite their obedience to God and Jesus Christ’s
commands (including His admonition to the Apostle Peter to
return his weapon to its place in more than one of the
Gospels)—as well as their love of those around them—to be
additional reasons for their refusal to participate in military
action. They have faced resentment and ostracism from
political parties around the world. Countries such as Armenia ,
Turkey, and Eritrea in recent times have convicted, fined,
imprisoned, and even tortured members for their
conscientious objection. As of mid-2013, one country—South
Korea— held 93 percent of imprisoned Jehovah’s Witnesses.

9. They Do Not Use The Cross
The fact that Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t wear the cross or
use it in their worship isn’t because they don’t like the shape
—the symbol of the cross is actually completely against their
beliefs.
Both encyclopedias and scholarly works attest to the cross’s
pre-Christian origin as well as its ties with worship of
Egyptian, Babylonian, Norse, and other gods, not to mention it
being regarded as a historical symbol of the male Instruments
and the coupling of the reproductive organs by some
authorities.
Jehovah’s Witnesses also claim that Jesus Christ did not die
on a cross but rather on a simple upright torture stake with
no crossing beams. Looking into earlier manuscripts, they
have argued that some words usually rendered as “cross” in
most modern translations, instead originally carried the
meaning noted above . Though there are some scholars and
Bible translators that agree with this view, it continues to be a
hotly debated topic.
Rejecting anything that smacks of what they refer to as
paganism—and without seeing support for the cross’s use in
Jesus’s execution—Jehovah’s Witnesses thus discourage the
use of the cross in worship.

8. Members Are Active In Many Lands
Though we usually see them walking in pairs around the
neighborhood or we have a believing co-worker or
schoolmate, few know how international the religion has
become in recent years. Active Jehovah’s Witnesses can
currently be found in a claimed 239 lands around the globe.
Known for their order and keeping accurate records, they keep
close tabs on their progress as an organization. Their official
website keeps statistics on their position and growth and
regularly updates them. Currently, there are almost eight
million active members worldwide in over 110,000
congregations. Needless to say, the Witnesses also take their
preaching very seriously. With a goal of reaching as many
people as possible with their message, their website has
publications and information available on the spot in nearly
700 languages. Included in this figure are many sign
languages from around the world as well as the languages of
aboriginal tribes from the Amazon and North America.

7. Clergy Are Not Paid And They Do Not Collect Tithing
If you’ve ever wondered how Jehovah’s Witnesses print all
their literature and organize their work, the simple answer is
“voluntary contributions.”
The Witnesses do not practice tithing and do not take
collections at meetings in their places of worship (called
kingdom halls). They are funded by the donations given by
members if, when, and however they want to contribute.
These finances are then distributed to local headquarters
called branch offices that can be found in many countries.
According to their website, these branch offices apportion the
money to causes like the construction of kingdom halls, aid in
areas affected by natural disasters, support for missionaries,
and the publication and distribution of religious literature.
Within the organization, no money is given in compensation
for the door-to-door work. There are also no salaried clergy
members. Contrary to most Christian faiths, all members are
unpaid volunteers ordained as ministers and are expected to
share in the evangelizing work regardless of age, race, or
social status. Only a few—known as elders— oversee
individual congregations .

6. Targets Of Adolf Hitler And Nazis
While most are acquainted with the infamous dictator’s
persecution of Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, and other
minorities, many are not familiar with his imprisonment,
torture, and execution of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Starting in
1933 and ending in 1945, the Witnesses faced persecution due
to their different ideology in regards to government and war.
While they did—and still do—claim to abide by government
laws and decrees, they do so wherever it does not conflict
with their devotion to the Bible. Thus, they refused to fight in
World War I and refused to support the National Socialism
party in Germany.
Because of this, Witness schoolchildren were humiliated,
beaten, or expelled for their refusal to sing political songs and
do the notorious salute. Their literature was banned, their
work benefits eradicated, and about 10,000 were sent to
concentration camps and prisons where they could be
identified by the purple triangle they were forced to wear on
their uniforms. It is estimated that up to 5,000 perished.
Unlike other persecuted groups, it is of note that the Witnesses
were the only group that were offered the chance to renounce
their beliefs and be set free—a choice that the great majority
declined. Also, according to a commanding officer in
Auschwitz, SS Chief Heinrich Himmler often used the faith of
Jehovah’s Witnesses as a model for his own troops, and it
was not uncommon for them to be used as domestic servants
by guards and officers due to their strong, Bible-based ethics.
Because of this and other intense opposition carried on by
different countries and parties, the religious group has been
called perhaps the most persecuted religion of the 20th-
century.

5. They Don’t Celebrate Holidays
Many are surprised to learn that Jehovah’s Witnesses, who
come under the grouping of Christian religions, reject holidays
that have Christian undertones— Easter and Christmas
included . Why?
The main argument of the Witnesses is that the far majority of
these holidays—as well as birthdays—have pagan origins, or
roots that are not Bible-based or based in Christian
teachings. They base their organization around the structure
and doctrines of the first-century Christian congregation, a
group that also rejected many similar customs.
For instance, the World Book Encyclopedia notes that “the
early Christians did not celebrate [Jesus’s] birth because they
considered the celebration of anyone’s birth to be a pagan
custom.” Various scholars and authors have also connected
the Christmas tree and such customs as gift giving, putting up
Christmas lights, and the use of mistletoe with Roman
festivals and Druid practices. It is also a recognized fact that
the date of Christ’s birth is not known. December 25 actually
correlates to a celebration of the infant god of light by the Cult
of Mithras .
Examination of such holidays as Easter, Valentine’s Day, and
Halloween also reveal similar origins. The Witnesses claim
that practices and customs that are directly disapproved by
God—or are practiced by people that He does not approve of
—merit censure. Thus, even though it has been hundreds or
thousands of years since these un-Christian practices
originated or mixed in with popular holidays and celebrations,
Jehovah’s Witnesses feel that these would displease the God
of the Bible.

4. They Do Not Accept Blood Transfusions
Many misinterpret the stand of Jehovah’s Witnesses and
believe they’re against all medicine and medical care or think
they believe in faith healing as preferred to any medical
procedures. In truth, they do not practice faith healing and
they visit doctors and hospitals and accept any procedures
that are bloodless.
The Witnesses view blood transfusions as an act against the
Bible’s commands to refrain from taking in blood both in the
New and Old Testament. An example of one such command
that they cite is in the scripture in Acts 15:28–29 which
states: “For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored
adding no further burden to you except these necessary
things: to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from
blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If
you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will
prosper.”
Although their stance against blood transfusion is mainly a
religious one, they cite medical journals, such as The Journal
of Thoracic and Cardiovascular Surgery , that note that those
who do not receive transfusions usually fare as well as or
better than those who do accept transfusions. Of course,
many other medical experts will share contrary views. They
also feel that rejecting such keeps them safe from blood
transfusion complications such as blood-borne diseases and
immune system reactions.
Though this position has been criticized for years as being a
huge risk—and even as suicide—and has resulted in much
hate, persecution, and countless court battles, some believe
that some of the techniques used in Jehovah’s Witness
patients may find wider uses in the coming years.

3. They Believe The Faithful Are Rewarded With A Paradise On
Earth
Unlike the majority of Christian religions—and even religions
like Islam—that believe in the prospect of going to heaven for
the righteous, Jehovah’s Witnesses stand in stark contrast.
Although they do believe that a certain select group will
receive a heavenly reward , Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that
God will cleanse the Earth of wickedness in the near future.
They also believe that God will reintroduce the paradise
conditions that He intended for the human race in the
beginning. They refer to this time as the re-creation, the
paradise, or the new system of things.
To support this belief, they refer to the model prayer recorded
in Matthew, where Christ prayed for God to carry out His will
for Earth as He wills for heaven. According to their
interpretation of the Bible, His will for the Earth includes a
resurrection of the dead (based on Acts 24:15 and John
5:28–29), harmony between animals and humans (based on
Isaiah 11:6–9), an absence of crime or war (based on Psalm
37:10–11, 29 and Isaiah 2:4), and a removal of all illnesses,
the aging process, and death (based on Isaiah 35:5–6 and
Revelation 21:3–4) among other things.

2. They Pronounce The Name Of God As ‘Jehovah’
Although many Bible translations have removed the name of
God, many translators deemed it inappropriate for God to be
called by a personal name. Jehovah’s Witnesses both
pronounce it and prefer using the New World Translation
which restores the divine name more than 7,000 times.
In ancient Hebrew manuscripts, the personal name of God
(still seen in certain translations such as the original King
James Version in Psalm 83:18) was originally written with
four Hebrew consonants called the Tetragrammaton. While
many did not translate it or use it because they felt that such
was not showing proper reverence for the holiness of the
name or because we do not know exactly how that name was
originally pronounced , Jehovah’s Witnesses argue that
scriptures like John 17:6 and 26 along with Joel 2:32
highlight the importance of God’s name and the fact that it
was used by faithful Jews and even Christ himself. They also
argue that not knowing the original pronunciation of God’s
name should not stop people from using it, just as our not
knowing the exact pronunciation of Jesus’s Hebrew name has
not stopped modern Christians from using it.
Jehovah’s Witnesses do not claim to be the first to use the
form “Jehovah,” acknowledging that some earlier renditions
render the Tetragrammaton as “Yahweh.” However, the
modern rendition best recognized is “Jehovah” as previously
noted by William Tyndale, Bible scholar Joseph Bryant
Rotherham, and translations like 1901′s American Standard
Version.

1. They Believe These Are The Last Days
While many will acknowledge that we are now living in times
and conditions that are momentous for one reason or another,
Jehovah’s Witnesses take modern events and conditions as
signs that the end of modern society as we know it is
approaching.
To prove this, the Witnesses highlight Bible prophecies that
they feel are being fulfilled increasingly in the last 100 years.
One account is recorded in Matthew 24, when Christ predicted
future events that would precede “the end”; He pointed to an
increase in wars, food shortages, diseases, and earthquakes
which would all intensify during the same time frame.
They also point to the Apostle Paul’s description of the last
days in 2 Timothy 3:1–5, a time when people’s traits would
be characterized by a lack of self-control, fierceness, love of
pleasure, selfishness, and a turning away from religion and
spirituality by the majority . They also cite what they feel are
positive developments, such as the fact that the “good news”
would be preached on an unprecedented scale before “the
end.” This is a work that the Witnesses claim they are doing
at an unparalleled rate .
Confident of Biblical predictions because of already fulfilled
predictions—according to their interpretation—such as the
specific way the empire of Babylon would fall and be
desolated, the rise and fall of the League of Nations, and the
rise of the United Nations, they are awaiting paradise and in
the meantime a-knocking and a-talking everywhere about “the
good news,” a hope for the future , and their beliefs .
Source: http://listverse.com/2014/11/13/10-things-you-never-knew-about-jehovahs-witnesses/

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11. They prefer to die than to accept blood transfusions.

12. They have predicted the end of the world about 20 times and in some occasions are specific with dates e.g 1914, 1925, 1975.

13. They do not marry outside their religion.

14. They believe that their REligion is the only true religion, all others: catholic, pentecostal e.t.c are satanic.

15. They believe they are the only ones that will make heaven.

16. They don't accept organ transplant, they call it cannibalism.

17. A jehovahs witness sister can be disfellowshipped for being a victim of molestation.

18. You can be disfellowshiped as a witness for attending another church.

paulGrundy:
11. They prefer to die than to accept blood transfusions.

What's the difference between taking pills laced with heroine and injecting it into your body? What's the difference between drinking blood and transfusing it into your body? Abstain from blood, it's a clear instruction from God. Acts 15:20&29

12. They have predicted the end of the world about 20 times and in some occasions are specific with dates e.g 1914, 1925, 1975.

False not 20 times , it was first thought the world would end in 1914 but it turns out that it was the period Jesus Christ said would mark his return as stated in Matthew 24:6-14. That was the year World War I broke out. No one else saw that coming but us

13. They do not marry outside their religion.

True. 2 corinthians 6:14

14. They believe that their REligion is the only true religion, all others: catholic, pentecostal e.t.c are satanic.

False. We don't claim to be the true religion. We leave that choice to independent observers Matthew 7:15-20

15. They believe they are the only ones that will make heaven.

False.
We believe in everlasting life on a paradise earth and a specific number the 144,000 shall rule as Kings with Christ in heaven. Psalms 37:9,10&11 Revelation 7:4-8

16. They don't accept organ transplant, they call it cannibalism.

False, although one Watchtower (11/15/67) compared accepting a transplanted organ to cannibalism. However, even in this article the matter was left entirely up to the personal choice of the individual, with no mention of disciplinary measures

17. A jehovahs witness sister can be disfellowshipped for being a victim of molestation.

False. A person is only disfellowshipped upon committing gross sin such as fornication 1 corinthians 5:9-13

18. You can be disfellowshiped as a witness for attending another church.

False, we don't force our members not to attend any other church. But when one begins to show signs of apostasy or adoption of immoral lifestyles then such are grounds for disfellowshipment

Leobreezy:

False worship. Includes;
Attending another church:

pay attention to yourself and to your flock 1991-Edition p.94

Ask your kingdom hall elder for verification, I understand that members cannot access that book.

paulGrundy:


False worship. Includes;
Attending another church pay attention to yourself and to your flock 1991-Edition p.94

Ask your kingdom hall elder for verification, I understand that members cannot access that book.

Why did Jehovah command the Israelites to stay away from other nations around them? Deuteronomy 20:18. It is unlikely to attend the churches of christendom and not be swayed by their teachings. Apostate beliefs is very much likely to settle in such a person's heart. Hence, like I said earlier, the reason for such a person being disfellowshipped is not because he attended another church but when, by conduct, he shows signs that he has deviated from the truth

Leobreezy(m):
: 10:03pm


What's the difference between taking pills laced with heroine and injecting it into your body? What's the difference between drinking blood and transfusing it into your body? Abstain from blood, it's a clear instruction from God. Acts 15:20&29
False not 20 times , it was first thought the world would end in 1914 but it turns out that it was the period Jesus Christ said would mark his return as stated in Matthew 24:6-14. That was the year World War I broke out. No one else saw that coming but us

It would have passed 20 sef its very common to see the words soon, imminent, few years in watchtower literature stop decieving yourself.

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Was 1914 the only year war broke out? How about world war 2?

Well I guess JESUS has marked his return several times.

13. They do not marry outside their religion.
True. 2 corinthians 6:14

14. They believe that their REligion is the only true religion, all others: catholic, pentecostal e.t.c are satanic.
False. We don't claim to be the true religion. We leave that choice to independent observers Matthew 7:15-20

15. They believe they are the only ones that will make heaven.
[size=22pt]False[/size].
We believe in everlasting life on a paradise earth and a specific number the 144,000 shall rule as Kings with Christ in heaven. Psalms 37:9,10&11 Revelation 7:4-8

And the 144,000 are jehovahs witnesses, so basically according watchtower literature ONLY jehovahs witness will make heaven.

16. They don't accept organ transplant, they call it cannibalism.
[size=16pt]False[/size], although one Watchtower (11/15/67) compared accepting a transplanted organ to cannibalism. However, even in this article the matter was left entirely up to the personal choice of the individual, with no mention of disciplinary measures

Contradicting yourself

17.
False. A person is only disfellowshipped upon committing gross sin such as fornication 1 corinthians 5:9-13

Watchtower 1968 June 1 pp.345-50

The Christian's View of Self-Defense

If you are a Christian woman, what should you do if, in spite of all precautions, you are set upon by a rapist? If you cannot deter him by reasoning, or by calling upon the name of Jehovah, then what? As a Christian you are under obligation to resist. This resistance includes screaming and creating as much disturbance as possible to try to frighten off the attacker and attract help. If the attack continues and you cannot break free to flee, then you would be justified even to inflict damage on your assailant if necessary. Resistance is imperative, because the rapist is after, not just money, but your virtue. An issue of integrity to Jehovah's laws is involved here. So by no means would it be proper quietly to submit to rape, as that would be consenting to fornication. -1 Thess. 4:3.

The principle is like that set out at Deuteronomy chapter 22. There it states: "In case there happened to be a virgin girl engaged to a man, and a man actually found her in the city and lay down with her, you must also bring them both out to the gate of that city and pelt them with stones, and they must die." Why would the girl have died under that Law covenant? The scripture continues: "The girl for the reason that she did not scream in the city." If she did not make the effort to scream, she was viewed as consenting to fornication. But if the woman screamed and resisted and nonetheless was overpowered, then she was not guilty of complicity: "The girl . . . screamed, but there was no one to rescue her."-Deut. 22:23-27.

Would it be different if the man had a weapon and threatened to kill you if you did not submit? No, the Scriptures plainly state that Christians are under obligation to "flee from fornication." (1 Cor. 6:18) It is true that you face the possibility of death in this case. But you have no guarantee that if you meekly submit, your assailant will not kill you anyhow to avoid identification.

Christian women are wise if they do all they can to avoid making themselves targets for rapists. Knowing that the morals of this generation are sinking to new lows, take every precaution. In unsafe areas avoid traveling alone after dark. As Ecclesiastes 4:12 states: "If somebody could overpower one alone, two together could make a stand against him. And a threefold cord cannot quickly be torn in two." Also consider how you dress. If a woman adopts the provocative, suggestive styles of dress now so prevalent, she indicates that she is a woman of loose morals, and in so doing she may invite trouble.

18. You can be disfellowshiped as a witness for attending another church.
False, we don't force our members not to attend any other church. But when one begins to show signs of apostasy or adoption of immoral lifestyles then such are grounds for disfellowshipment

pay attention to yourself and to your flock 1991-Edition p.94. Emphatically stated that attending another church is false worship.

Leobreezy:
Why did Jehovah command the Israelites to stay away from other nations around them? Deuteronomy 20:18. It is unlikely to attend the churches of christendom and not be swayed by their teachings. Apostate beliefs is very much likely to settle in such a person's heart. Hence, like I said earlier, the reason for such a person being disfellowshipped is not because he attended another church but when, by conduct, he shows signs that he has deviated from the truth

Have you read this book?

pay attention to yourself and to your flock 1991-Edition p.94

If yes paste the full quote, if no then its better to be queit than to be making speculations.

paulGrundy:


Was 1914 the only year war broke out? How about world war 2?

Well I guess JESUS has marked his return several times.

Matthew 24:6 "You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars“

paulGrundy:


Have you read this book?

pay attention to yourself and to your flock 1991-Edition p.94

If yes paste the full quote, if no then its better to be queit than to be making speculations.

I haven't read it, I'm not an elder, you obviously "were". But from my understanding of 2 corinthians 6:14, I find it hard to understand what else would make a baptised witness have the desire to attend other churches save for the reason that he has been led astray. You more than anyone knows what happens to such persons.

Leobreezy:
Matthew 24:6 "You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars“

So 1914 was the only year there was war and rumours of war, interesting.

paulGrundy:


So 1914 was the only year there was war and rumours of war, interesting.

You didn't understand the reason for the bolded. Jesus Christ didn't say his presence would be evident with just one war but by WARS. 1914 heralded the beginning of the bloodiest wars ever known with World War 2 following thereafter. Even historians agree that World War I was the turning point of political events in the world.

Leobreezy:
You didn't understand the reason for the bolded. Jesus Christ didn't say his presence would be evident with just one war but by WARS. 1914 heralded the beginning of the bloodiest wars ever known with World War 2 following thereafter. Even historians agree that World War I was the turning point of political events in the world.

Another lie the watchtower told you. The bloodiest war ever known was world war 2 and it was between 1939-1945, not 1914.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll

The watchtower is trying very hard to valdate pastor Russels chronology and reinforce his credibility as her first president.

paulGrundy:

It would have passed 20 sef its very common to see the words soon, imminent, few years in watchtower literature stop decieving yourself.

539 A.D.
1780
1798
1799
1829
1840
1844
1846
1872
1874
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1914 and 1975 were the only years thought of to mark the end of this system of things. Further adjustments have been made to our understanding of Matthew 24. We neither deny nor hide the mistakes made, rather we use that to increase our understanding of the scriptures.

Was 1914 the only year war broke out? How about world war 2?

Well I guess JESUS has marked his return several times.

I already explained that. Matthew 24:6

And the 144,000 are jehovahs witnesses, so basically according watchtower literature ONLY jehovahs witness will make heaven.

We don't decide who makes up the 144,000, Jehovah does Romans 8:16&17. If however the members of the 144,000 are primarily composed of faithful Witnesses whom Jehovah's spirit has borne witness with, you're left to your own conclusions.

Contradicting yourself

You asserted that we BELIEVE organ transplants are synonymous with cannibalism. I showed you that the Watchtower you drew your hasty conclusion from only COMPARED it to cannibalism and does not in anyway show a general belief of our views concerning organ transplant

paulGrundy:


Another lie the watchtower told you. The bloodiest war ever known was world war 2 and it was between 1939-1945, not 1914.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll

The watchtower is trying very hard to valdate pastor Russels chronology and reinforce his credibility as her first president.

You didn't understand the reason for the bolded. Jesus Christ didn't say his presence would be evident with just one war but by WARS. 1914 heralded the beginning of the bloodiest wars ever known with World War 2 following thereafter. Even historians agree that World War I was the turning point of political events in the world.



I never said 1914 was the bloodiest war, I said it heralded the beginning of the bloodiest wars. That's in line with Jesus' words in Matthew 24:6 that there would be wars and reports of wars

Ok

paulGrundy:



Watchtower 1968 June 1 pp.345-50

The Christian's View of Self-Defense

If you are a Christian woman, what should you do if, in spite of all precautions, you are set upon by a rapist? If you cannot deter him by reasoning, or by calling upon the name of Jehovah, then what? As a Christian you are under obligation to resist. This resistance includes screaming and creating as much disturbance as possible to try to frighten off the attacker and attract help. If the attack continues and you cannot break free to flee, then you would be justified even to inflict damage on your assailant if necessary. Resistance is imperative because the rapist is after, not just money, but your virtue. An issue of integrity to Jehovah's laws is involved here. So by no means would it be proper quietly to submit to rape, as that would be consenting to fornication. -1 Thess. 4:3.

The principle is like that set out at Deuteronomy chapter 22. There it states: "In case there happened to be a virgin girl engaged to a man, and a man actually found her in the city and lay down with her, you must also bring them both out to the gate of that city and pelt them with stones, and they must die." Why would the girl have died under that Law covenant? The scripture continues: "The girl for the reason that she did not scream in the city." If she did not make the effort to scream, she was viewed as consenting to fornication. But if the woman screamed and resisted and nonetheless was overpowered, then she was not guilty of complicity: "The girl . . . screamed, but there was no one to rescue her."-Deut. 22:23-27.

[b]Would it be different if the man had a weapon and threatened to kill you if you did not submit? No, the Scriptures plainly state that Christians are under obligation to "flee from fornication."(1 Cor. 6:18) It is true that you face the possibility of death in this case. But you have no guarantee that if you meekly submit, your assailant will not kill you anyhow to avoid identification.

Christian women are wise if they do all they can to avoid making themselves targets for rapists. Knowing that the morals of this generation are sinking to new lows, take every precaution. In unsafe areas avoid traveling alone after dark. As Ecclesiastes 4:12 states: "If somebody could overpower one alone, two together could make a stand against him. And a threefold cord cannot quickly be torn in two." Also consider how you dress. If a woman adopts the provocative, suggestive styles of dress now so prevalent, she indicates that she is a woman of loose morals, and in so doing she may invite trouble.[/b]

Our principle as clearly bolded is based on the Bible. If you carefully read the Watchtower you quoted you'd have observed that willfully consenting to molestation without any form of resistance is tantamount to fornication. Same principle is applied in modern law today in determining what amounts to molestation and mutual consent to engage in sexual relations.

Leobreezy:


Our principle as clearly bolded is based on the Bible watchtower laws. If you carefully read the Watchtower you quoted you'd have observed that willfully consenting to molestation without any form of resistance is tantamount to fornication. Same principle is applied in modern law today in determining what amounts to molestation and mutual consent to engage in sexual relations.

Basically we are still saying the same thing, therefore my earlier stance was correct, you can be disfellowshipped as a jehovahs witness sister for being a victim of molestation chikena!

paulGrundy:


Basically we are still saying the same thing, therefore my earlier stance was correct, you can be disfellowshipped as a jehovahs witness sister for being a victim of molestation chikena!

No it's completely different. The article does not state that you would be disfellowshipped for simply being molested but rather states that willfully consenting to molestation without resistance is tantamount to fornication. Read between the lines. Striking out Bible verses or references to the Bible does not disprove that our beliefs are based on the Bible.

Leobreezy:
You didn't understand the reason for the bolded. Jesus Christ didn't say his presence would be evident with just one war but by WARS. 1914 heralded the beginning of the bloodiest wars ever known with World War 2 following thereafter. Even historians agree that World War I was the turning point of political events in the world.

Watchtowers anonymous historians you meant to say?

Leobreezy:

No it's completely different. The article does not state that you would be disfellowshipped for simply being molested but rather states that willfully consenting to molestation without resistance is tantamount to fornication. Read between the lines.

So when a gun is fixed on a sisters head. During a molestation and she doesn't resist she has commited fornication beautiful!

How sensitve of the governing body. Moses would be turning in his grave by now because of the lies told on his behalf.

paulGrundy:


Watchtowers anonymous historians you meant to say?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9602114/The-First-World-War-the-war-that-changed-us-all.html

Rape can be fornication

Leobreezy:
You didn't understand the reason for the bolded. Jesus Christ didn't say his presence would be evident with just one war but by WARS. 1914 heralded the beginning of the bloodiest wars ever known with World War 2 following thereafter. Even historians agree that World War I was the turning point of political events in the world.



I never said 1914 was the bloodiest war, I said it heralded the beginning of the bloodiest wars. That's in line with Jesus' words in Matthew 24:6 that there would be wars and reports of wars

MATTEW 24:6 NKJV

 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

MATTEW 24:6 Jehovahs Witness Bible

 And the beginning of the bloodiest wars and rumors of wars shall begin in 1914. See that you are not troubled; for world war 1 must come to pass in order to give credence to an american religion, but the end is not yet.

paulGrundy:


So when a gun is fixed on a sisters head. During a molestation and she doesn't resist she has commited fornication beautiful!

How sensitve of the governing body. Moses would be turning in his grave by now because of the lies told on his behalf.

The Watchtower (2003)
w03 2/1 pp. 30-31
Questions From Readers
Questions From Readers
Why does the Bible say that a person should scream if
threatened with rape?
Anyone who has not personally experienced the horror of
being brutally assaulted by a rapist can never truly
understand how it can shatter one’s life. The experience is so
terrifying for the victim that it may trouble her for the rest of
her life. * A young Christian woman who was attacked by a
rapist some years ago relates: “Words cannot express the
sheer terror I felt that night or the trauma I’ve had to
overcome since.” Understandably, many prefer not even to
think about this frightening subject. Yet, the threat of rape is a
reality in this wicked world.
The Bible does not shy from recounting some cases of rape
and attempted rape that occurred in the past. (Genesis
19:4-11; 34:1-7; 2 Samuel 13:1-14 ) But it also offers counsel
on what one should do when threatened with rape. What the
Law says on the matter is found at Deuteronomy 22:23-27 .
This covers two situations. In the first case, a man found a
young woman in a city and lay down with her. Even so, the
woman did not scream or cry for help. Consequently, it was
determined that she was guilty “for the reason that she did
not scream in the city.” If she had cried out, people nearby
might have been able to come to her rescue. In the second
instance, a man found a young woman in the countryside,
where he “grabbed hold of her and lay down with her.” In
defense, the woman “screamed, but there was no one to
rescue her.” Unlike the woman in the first instance, this
woman clearly did not give in to the actions of the attacker.
She actively resisted him, crying for help, but she was
overpowered. Her screaming proved that she was an
unwilling victim; she was not guilty of wrongdoing.
Although Christians today are not under the Mosaic Law, the
principles mentioned therein provide them with guidance. The
above account underscores the importance of resisting and
screaming for help. Screaming when threatened with rape is
still viewed as a practical course. One expert on crime
prevention stated: “If a woman is attacked, her best weapon
is still her lungs.” A woman’s screaming may attract others,
who can then assist her, or it may startle an attacker and
make him leave. A young Christian woman who was attacked
by a rapist stated: “I screamed with all my might, and he
backed off. When he came toward me again, I screamed and
ran. In the past I had often thought, ‘How can screaming help
me when some big man grabs me with only one thing on his
mind?’ But I’ve learned that it works!”
Even in the sad case where a woman is overpowered and
raped, her struggle and screaming for help is not in vain. On
the contrary, it establishes that she did all she possibly could
to resist her attacker. (Deuteronomy 22:26 ) Despite going
through this ordeal, she can still have an undefiled
conscience, self-respect, and the assurance that she is clean
in God’s eyes. The horrifying experience might leave her with
emotional wounds, but knowing that she did all she could to
resist the attack will greatly contribute to her gradual healing.
In understanding the application of Deuteronomy 22:23-27 ,
we must realize that this brief account does not cover all
possible situations. For example, it does not comment on the
situation where the attacked woman cannot scream because
she is mute, unconscious, or paralyzed with fear or is forcibly
prevented from screaming by a hand or tape over her mouth.
However, since Jehovah is able to weigh all factors, including
motives, he deals with understanding and justice in such
cases, for “all his ways are justice.” (Deuteronomy 32:4 ) He is
aware of what actually took place and of the efforts the victim
put forth to fight off her attacker. Therefore, a victim who was
unable to scream but otherwise did all she could under the
circumstances can leave matters in Jehovah’s hands.— Psalm
55:22; 1 Peter 5:7 .
Even so, some Christian women who have been attacked and
violated are incessantly pained by feelings of guilt. In
hindsight, they feel that they should have done more to
prevent the incident from happening. However, instead of
blaming themselves, such victims can pray to Jehovah, ask
for his help, and have confidence in his abundant loving-
kindness.— Exodus 34:6; Psalm 86:5 .
Hence, Christian women who are presently coping with
emotional wounds resulting from an encounter with a rapist
can be confident that Jehovah fully understands the painful
feelings they are dealing with. God’s Word assures them:
“Jehovah is near to those that are broken at heart; and those
who are crushed in spirit he saves.” (Psalm 34:18 ) Further
help to cope with their trauma can come from accepting the
sincere understanding and gentle support of fellow believers in
the Christian congregation. (Job 29:12; 1 Thessalonians 5:14 )
Moreover, the victims’ own efforts to concentrate on positive
thoughts will help them to experience “the peace of God that
excels all thought.”— Philippians 4:6-9 .

paulGrundy:
Rape can be fornication

Read the above or visit the link http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2003087#h=4:490-4:804

This is front page material.. Frm the little experience I have heard with jehovah witness, they are very self willed and do not want to here another person point of view towards Christianity

For more information about Jehovah's Witnesses, please visit Jw.org

xamuel17:
This is front page material.. Frm the little experience I have heard with jehovah witness, they are very self willed and do not want to here another person point of view towards Christianity

That's not true, hence what would be the point of preaching from house to house. We welcome discussions with people we meet and base whatever we say on what the Bible really teaches not necessarily what is the general belief or norm on issues.

Leobreezy:
For more information about Jehovah's Witnesses, please visit Jw.org

For an unbaised view of jehovahs witnesses visit wikipaedia.

For a critical, fact based and accurate view of Jehovah's witnesses visit:

jwfacts.com

paulGrundy:



MATTEW 24:6 NKJV

 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

[s] MATTEW 24:6 Jehovahs Witness Bible

 And the beginning of the bloodiest wars and rumors of wars shall begin in 1914. See that you are not troubled; for world war 1 must come to pass in order to give credence to an american religion, but the end is not yet.[/s]

New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures
Matthew 24:6
6 You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet.