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Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by nora544: 5:53pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
Kenyan28: I know this because my daughter work for doctors without border and is a PHD in Medicine and I also know that there was no Ebola in Tanzania. 5 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by fireforfire: 6:21pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
Boss13: A dead raised to life ![]() Is dis joagbeaje d Jesus we hv bn waiting for? or is he high on acid? 2 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Boss13: 6:26pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
nora544: Of course there was no Ebola in Tanzania. Ebola is remote in west africa and has not moved to east africa. Everybody knows that. Did Joagbaje claimed he healed an ebola patient in Tanzania? 5 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by nora544: 6:31pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
Boss13: Yeah he had a story, it was later deleted because it was dangerous. That was when I hear the first time from the next fake pentecost pastor Lake. and search in the internet for "the devil who could heal" it is from an University in south afrika where lake claimes that he healed people with plaque. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17532523.2012.739752 An analysis of the missionary career of John G Lake shows that the initial spread of Pentecostalism and Zionism in southern Africa was facilitated by the systematic use of fraud and deception. After having fled from Zion City in America in 1907 to escape popular justice, Lake and his missionary party introduced to South Africa an array of faith healing techniques used by the original Zionist John Alexander Dowie. They used these and other forms of deception to build a unified Zionist/Pentecostal movement. Additionally, they trained a number of influential African Zionists to use these methods – a factor that further contributed to the rapid spread of this new religious movement. Lake died 1935 and Benny Hinn learn from him and Pastor chris from Hinn. read this https://www.nairaland.com/1840982/gods-generals-why-succeeded-why-some#27856744 4 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by vooks: 6:32pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
The idea is to draw attention to themselves and not God. This is why 'private' miracles will never be broadcasted by their churches. So pastor prays for a headache and it's gone? That's Youtube-worthy. A prayer warrior powerfully intercedes for her kid who just gulped rat poison and he lives. Keep it to yourself ![]() The churches are least interested in in miracles they can't directly take credit for. The reason is these are least likely to attract more members/offerings to them flyca: 4 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by vooks: 6:44pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
Why would our superhero need to fly across Africa to heal something that's right in his country? Wait...... Luke 4:27 (ESV) 27 And there were many lepers in Israel in the time of the prophet Elisha, and none of them was cleansed, but only Naaman the Syrian Boss13: 3 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Boss13: 7:05pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
Okay Folks, I have been trying to get the full clip of the video posted by Joagbaje claiming to healed Jeff of HIV. Well thanks to SirJohn, we now know that such miracle never existed. Folks, I want you to watch the second person with a discerning mind. He is an Usher in Joagbaje church, an employee. I do not want to assume he was induced by Joagbaje to give his testimony, I will leave that to you. His name is Uwem. He got me more interested than Jeff, in him you would see and understand the kind of person Joagbaje is. Uwem came to give testimony about experiencing pains in the chest and after Joagbaje prayed, the pains left instantly. Folks, that's supposed to be a miracle right. Now at 06:43 Joagbaje started praying for him again - Why? This guy just claimed to be alright, Why another prayer session? Guess what, the prayer session turned around to become an exorcism and a supposed demon possessing the young man. At 07:33, you will notice Joagbaje communicating with the demon and the supposed demon claimed he has destroyed the young man's life ![]() ![]() Below are symptoms of asthmatic patients Frequent cough, especially at night Losing your breath easily or shortness of breath Feeling very tired or weak when exercising Wheezing or coughing after exercise Feeling tired, easily upset, grouchy, or moody Decreases or changes in lung function as measured on a peak flow meter Signs of a cold or allergies (sneezing, runny nose, cough, nasal congestion, sore throat, and headache) Trouble sleeping The guy does not look like someone who has any of the symptoms mentioned above. 12:33 got me laughing, Joagbaje was pretending to be crying when he said wealth and prosperity. I presumed he did not want to finish the statement. Folks, Uwem is an Usher in Joagbaje's church, an employee who works for Joagbaje and should be well known to Joagbaje. I do not want to conclude for you all. Enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npd5hQMyk3g&feature=youtu.be 10 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Boss13: 7:09pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
Folks, people like Joagbaje are dangerous to our society. They sell false hope in exchange of donations, offerings, tithe, first fruits etc. These gullible people go home with the belief that they are well only for them to relapse again or die. Some people have been told to throw away their drugs and only for the ailment to be complicated. We need government intervention to stop these fraudsters from their continuous wickedness to humanity. 8 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by nora544: 7:30pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
Boss13: The problem is that the head of nigeria is also following this dangerous pastors. The followers have to see that and that should go to a newspaper and post it on facebook, the people of nigeria have to see this that they see what pastors realy are. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Boss13: 8:11pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
nora544: It all boils down to poverty. Poverty is truly a disease and our government is truly wicked in ensuring that poverty remains in this country. Without poverty, all men will have access to things to increase their intellects. Who would bother going to a pastor when he can pay for his health care. Who would listen to a pastor who says he can cure ebola and HIV when such person would have obtained quality education and can discern how the HIV and Ebola virus works. Who would be interested in listening to a pastor who says he can make you rich, when you know that you must work hard to be rich, or who would attribute witchcraft to your business, when actually your product quality is bad or a there is a change in demand due to entrance by competition. 8 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by FatCock: 10:01pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
PastorAIO:Lmao |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by KingMswati: 10:30pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
Sir John, remember me in your kingdom o! #500k 2 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Goshen360(m): 10:57pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
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Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by paulGrundy(m): 11:29pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Chrisbenogor(m): 11:48pm On Nov 15, 2014 |
Sirjohn, I am calling you out, you did a good job until you decided to not finish that which you started. Maybe you want to collect 500k but is that enough for you to "sell your soul" . We need to know for sure if this guy runs a miracle factory, today it is Jeff tomorrow innocent people will go to him to cure HIV. The clock is ticking, at the very least bare it all and let it be known that this man cannot perform any miracles. Tick tok....... 6 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by birdman(m): 12:28am On Nov 16, 2014 |
WinsomeX: Speaking of outlandish things, Christians believe that a man died and rose three days later, then ascended to heaven. This is more outlandish than anything Joabaje could dream up. So the fact that wof folks, or whatever you want to call tehm believe "outlandish" things does not make them wrong. That is the true nature of the gospel. My point? If its in the bible, you have two choices as a believer. Either the bible is true, or its not. Has Joagbaje abused the trust of many by using the bible? Yes. But the verses he based his deceit on are in the bible. So, orthodox or WOF, you still are not absolved. If Jesus healed freely, without reservation, why has it stopped today? If it is not true now, why would it be true back then? I commend SirJohn for a job well done. I had a few run-ins with Joabaje in the past, but I chalked it up to zealotry. I would never have guessed he was a pastor, or that he could pull this off. Wether or not you knew of this scheme or were pulled into it by virtue of your zealotry, Joabgaje, you are not beyond repentance. Make things right with your creator before you worry about nairaland. 8 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by AlfaSeltzer(m): 12:47am On Nov 16, 2014 |
I am very proud of joagbaje. It is not easy to deceive thousands of people like this single-handedly. Joe, you are da man. Carry on, carry go. 3 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by AlfaSeltzer(m): 12:50am On Nov 16, 2014 |
Chrisbenogor: Why don't you go and do your own investigation? |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by vooks: 4:53am On Nov 16, 2014 |
Boss13, Consider these facts before 'debunking' another testimony. The only worse thing than a charlatan is a careless skeptic who won't be confused with facts; 1. It is perfectly normal for a church co-worker to be prayed for,to recieve healing and to testify. It is also quite possible that the joy joined ushering AFTER the said miracle. So what he does at that church does not tell you nothing.bthat said, I posted a video of a pastor who used his co-workers to air false testimonies,sing in the choir, recieve calls and extort money.... 2. Asthmatics don't display ALL those symptoms at once and if they did, some would not be easily picked from a video. Besides, asthma has degrees. Any medics in the house? 3. So he gets prayed for after testifying? This may be your only smoking gun. You just don't have enough to run with it. What I have observed is the immense pressure to 'believe God and deny doctors' report' such that sick folks abandon drugs BEFORE they are healed as a 'sign of faith',confess they are healed BEFORE they are healed apparently to draw healing virtue, and pretend the obvious symptoms of their ailments are not there especially where it is not too dangerous to do so. Anything short of this is 'lack of faith' which is a stigma. May be the dude did just that. Be as it may, if he felt well after prayers enough to testify and Joagbaje perceives he is still not fully recovered, where is the problem? Boss13: |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Kenyan28: 5:37am On Nov 16, 2014 |
vooks:I had not watched the Jeff miracle video,but even the blind can see that those are two different pple . |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by vooks: 6:00am On Nov 16, 2014 |
Enda church ![]() Kenyan28: 1 Like |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by PastorKun(m): 7:27am On Nov 16, 2014 |
Goshen360: Bros where have you been? You miss plenty show oh! |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by shdemidemi(m): 7:56am On Nov 16, 2014 |
vooks: There is no man with an inherent power to wrought miracles. Any one who claim to have such power is a liar with a slow belly from the deepest and hottest part of hell. 1) if it were not so, I need a name of one man who sincerely wrought the miraculous in the name of Jesus. 2) why are these supposed miracles far between. 3) how come these miracles rarely occur outside the four walls of those who make such claims? 1 Like |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Elijah78: 8:07am On Nov 16, 2014 |
After taking time to watch the video of Jeff's helling taking to consideration issues raised by Boss123, I realise that they are many questions to ask pastor Jo, so many inconsistencies! Now i believe in the saying below; "Demons perform on demand, especially when My Name is spoken (Jesus). This is one of their favorite deceptions. But know this, I am a Sovereign God. I don’t come every time someone calls, and I don’t perform on command. I only act according to My will and purpose and in My timing. And I don’t act to bless you, I act to fulfill My will and purpose, which is a blessing to you" Satan has always promoted and participated in religions that promise healing, material blessings or other supernatural manifestations. Don’t misunderstand what I’m saying here. God does heal. He does bless obedience. He does manifest Himself sometimes in supernatural ways to get our attention. But, there are those today who have made healing, material blessing and supernatural manifestations their religion. It is clear that pastor Jo & Co are training those who want to come to God on their own terms (on the basis of what they think or what they want). i cannot be sick, broke, etc. I am healed, rick, a king etc 5 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Nobody: 9:39am On Nov 16, 2014 |
Boss13:Joeagbaje is a liar. Shameless and barefaced one at that. Yet simpleton s are ready to vouch for his fraudulent behaviour. Joeagbaje and his likes/defenders are diseased organs in the body of Christ. 4 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by vooks: 9:41am On Nov 16, 2014 |
1. Men can only treat diseases. This is not inherent power but rather a product of thousands of years of inquiry called medicine. God working through men heals just as it is recorded in the scriptures. 2. How frequent should miracles be to convince you? 3. Says who? The churches have the motivation and funds to publicize their miracles more than individuals shdemidemi: |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by shdemidemi(m): 10:00am On Nov 16, 2014 |
vooks: miracles in scriptures, we both agree. Give one name of a person who has this supernatural power asides medicine. vooks:I believe who matter-God, miracles or not. All I ask is that man who can call fire from heaven like Elijah, walk on water like Jesus, bring the dead to life like Peter all in the name of Jesus. Come think of it, why should we be struggling to find one name, when these things should just be a daily occurrence for every christian as you claim. vooks: You don't need too much fund to display these miracles on youtube these days. you claim to have this power, show us so we can verify your claims as well. 1 Like |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Nobody: 10:15am On Nov 16, 2014 |
Elijah78:You are a fool. Stop this blasphemy you motherfucker. Satan has never promised any one healing or material blessings. Fucking Chrestards. Stop spreading lies. Animals... 1 Like |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by vooks: 10:28am On Nov 16, 2014 |
Well, did I not prophesy about you regurgitating this twenty years from now? Miracles are unique. Jesus never called fire from heaven, he only forbade some overzealous disciples from doing so. Paul nearly drowned. Jesus used boats severally. In short you are asking the impossible to justify your impotence I gave up debating you when your theory of unknown tongue vs tongues was debunked and you played dumb instead of owning up to your errors. shdemidemi: |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Elijah78: 12:08pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
sonOfLucifer: Please don't insult me, i am not sure i am referring to the satan you know ![]() ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Joagbaje’s Miracle HIV Healing Claim Debunked by Nobody: 12:09pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Elijah78:Yahweh is a fool, a robber and an asshole. |
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