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Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by Nobody: 2:03pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Most folks don't even know that the first slaves shipped to the Americas from Iberia were moors. Now tell me they weren't black again! And the atlas/map Columbus used in his voyage to the Americas was a moorish one! 3 Likes |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by poiZon: 2:12pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
lastpage: charity in naija should start from the church, cos in church we hv diverse ethnic groups n families. am high o abeg make una just ignore my post. the problem I have now is I can't stop posting. |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by Nobody: 2:14pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
hahn:Am not african i dont need to do anything about your continent |
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Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by OmoUSH(m): 2:27pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
ANOTHER ATTEMPT FOR THE ETERNALLY INFERIOR RACE TO FEEL AS REAL HUMANS DO, FACT REMAINS, BLACK WERE ORDAINED SINCE PREHISTORICAL TIME TO BE SLAVES OF THE SUPERIOR WHITES. INFACT, MONKEYS ARE FAR SUPERIOR TO THE BLACK RACE! SEE REALITY PEOPLE! WHITES ARE THE REAL OWNERS OF THIS UNIVERSE, IRRESPECTIVE OF YOUR RIDICULOUS, MYTHICAL POWERS. MAY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA RULE OVER GOD, MANKIND AND THE UNIVERSE FOR ETERNITY(AMEN)!!! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by Nobody: 2:31pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Am still sleeping, can sum 1 pls wake me up when you guys are ready for the invasion. On a serious note.such is life,everything is rotational,many civilisation has come and gone with time,time will always bring and time will always take. |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by GuyFawkes: 2:32pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
karpentar: The early Egyptians sure as hell weren't Arabs. Pharaoh Taharqa for example was mentioned in the bible as the King of Egypt and Ethiopia and he was as black as one can think. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by Nobody: 2:34pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
SirShymex:You are among those who like to live in the fantasy land and it is not helping to move the continent and people forward. The moment we start fighting over history that is not directly related to us the moment we lose more focuses and attentions which could have be directed at development. Having said that, there is no iota of truth of so many claims about black people as the original Arabs, Moors, Jews or Egyptians. The blacks in the midst were by chances mingling with the original people learning one thing or the other. However, Semitic people are not blacks or whites but in-between the two of them. They look more like the mixed race people. The word Semite originated from Latin and the online definition: A member of the group of Caucasoid peoples who speak a Semitic language, including the Jews and Arabs as well as the ancient Babylonians, Assyrians, and Phoenicians. 2. another word for a Jew. Word Origin. C19: from New Latin sēmīta descendant of Shem, via Greek Sēm, from Hebrew Shem. The Geography has not changed much even after many years while addressing it from the indigenous people's perspective. The Arabs were never blacks. They came from the Arabian desert in the present day Saudi Arabia. Their skin turned dark because of the sun and that cannot be used to qualify them as blacks like those found in West Africa, East Africa and some part of Southern Africa. The same story can be said of Egyptian mummies. The fact that some of them were blacks doesn't mean Egyptians were blacks. Even in present day Egypt the indigenous people are Semitic, neither black or white. The black you see came from Sudan and other black regions within that particular geography. Please, leave mummies out of this if you aren't ready to put on their swaddling clothes. The Moors aren't straight from West Africa. European only used the term for sub-Saharan Africans in the past as it came to be associated with Muslim which most of them were. Moor has been used in a broader sense than you are trying to explain in your post. But, the true Moors are Berbers who are from North Africa and they look Semitic. I laugh at Timbuku story though. It is clear it was a place used by the Arabs to educate sub-Saharan people. Most of the writing and learning were done in Arabic. That is a big shame to those who want to claim they somewhat ruled the world in the past. They can keep living in denial or plainly delusional and I don't care. I think the terror in Mali have succeeded in destroying the arts, the ancient walls and fraction of books there. Stop shipping in terms. Salamanca is due to Berber conquer of South Spain in the past and left their Islamic footprint there. They were from Western part of North Africa of the area known to be Morocco of today. Constantine also conquered many parts of Europe and that can not be an excuse to tell lies about what we are not. Black people have never ruled the world. We need to take urgent step and get organized and live a civilized life. If we developed well today our posterity will have more good things to talk about us in the future - if that really meant so much to them. The unity of human race is what matter when contributing to humanity not just about color, ethnic or region but about humanity. Take a cue from what I have repeatedly said here. Black man's problem is to get organized and live a civilized life! 4 Likes |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by Nobody: 2:37pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
onoja12:I agree. Double citizenship is a cancer. There is no way a chinese american will ever become political leader in china. The stakes are too high to allow a potential traitor. 1 Like |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by OmoUSH(m): 2:38pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
laroux:Your post made my day! Talk about disillusioned folks, THE BLACK RACE, the everlasting slaves of the world. I regret being born a black man. Why wasn't i created as an European? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by Nobody: 2:40pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
[s] all4naija:[/s] Utter tosh! Semites aren't white nor black (according to your junk), so what race are they? Evidently that means they're a product of admixture of races, no? So, before the admixture, which race of people occupied where the semites live today? We all know the Indo-European migration wave from the Caucasus Mountains started about three thousand years ago. Which means only folks out of Africa occupied that region, no? And if only folks from Africa occupied the region back then. Evidently that shows these folks were Africans, isn't it? Also, where did the semitic language originate from? Oh, it also came out of AFrica. 1 Like |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by hahn(m): 2:46pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
voodoo85: Then your opinion is irrelevant 3 Likes |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by BlackHuman(m): 2:47pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
I've always suspected the blackman has a huge Problem- Look around the world, there's not a single predominantly-Black country that's advanced....Poverty everywhere. I believe the problem is that Afrcans/Black people do not have the set of Fundamental Values or traits that leads to development-Traits like- Adventure, Risktaking, Can do attutide, selflessness and seeing the bigger picture- This are all traits that the other more advanced races possess. I'm also tired of reading neo-black histories like these because; most times there's not enough evidence to back their claims- and even if it were true,- they don't matter and don't change anything....The African-Americans always talk about how they built the United states to what it is today. Yes, they did in a way by providing physical labour(as slaves) to work in the fields- they did so because they were forced to do so by the Whites- It was the whites' idea all along...They were just the "tools" used. The whiteman built a ship, and sailed looking for new lands to advance,discover new things and dominate- They found Africa and America- why didn't we do that first?- Why didn't we build ships and sail away to discover new things?.... The average african is a selfish, selfcentred, and somewhat evil...Afrcan forefathers and Gods are a clear example of this- Why should any clear headed person choose to worship a god that asks for human sacrifices?- and why should a good god ask for such? Also another case of Black man's diesease can be seen in our country today. A mad Islamic Sect has killed many and is still.killing many- clearly, the sitting president has failed to perform by all measurement and standard- He has repeatedly shown that he lacks the capacity to protect the populace therefore putting everyone's life in danger indirectly. Normally, for a right-thinking citizenry, atleast for the sake safety of the lives and property of the masses he shouldn't even have any hope of re-election...but he might still get re-elected because people of who come from his area would never see beyond their tribalism and would go ahead to vote for him even when it's obvious that he's grossly incompetent to handle the challenges of the country......The Blackman has serious problems-Problems only he can solve for himself....Yes, i'm a blackman. But i'm one of the few Blackhumans who really does think and reason like a human being should...*Drops the Mike* 2 Likes |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by LordGuru: 2:50pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
LordaGuru: How do I stop this tears of Joy rolling down my cheeks? This is dedicated to everybody that believes a Great United Africa is not impossible, expecially those that endlessly clamoured that this should be put on FB. May we all fulfill our Glorious Destinies IJN. |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by Nobody: 2:51pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
hahn: i disagree since we r chariting u |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by Nobody: 2:51pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
SirShymex:Striking over my post doesn't make you more vast in understanding the history behind this argument than me. I have been to most parts of that region many times before. So, you don't have much to tell me about them and their history though. I gave you the definition of Semite in my previous post but you refuse to read and understand what it means. And, I am not going to explain to you again what it means. If you are interested in that you would have to reread my previous post with comprehension. I never said they are mixed. I only use mixed race to explain how their look is like. In a nutshell, you didn't read my post with open mind to have better understanding of what I am talking about. Did you say folks from Africa? The term Africa originated from Carthage in Tunisia and it is not even a sub-Saharan African term. It is time you pick up history books and read on the fact of this matter than trying to use conjectures to have your way through. I am not going to entertain that here. Don't forget to put on your mummy swaddling clothes any time soon because blacks ruled the world in the past! Bwahaha.... 1 Like |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by LordGuru: 2:52pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
A united Africa is not impossible. |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by prettyboi1(m): 2:58pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
OmoUSH:Damn! Some people were just born to eternally hate themselves. lol. If you don't like yourself, goodluck to you bro. 1 Like |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by hahn(m): 2:58pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
voodoo85: That's not true. I run my own business and I'm the one charitying myself. The West and their government are being scammed. Whatever funds you believe you're sending over here to help goes directly into the pockets of our corrupt leaders/government. Not one cent of your so called charities get to the common man. Over here we hustle and work hard for our money. Don't get it twisted |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by OMA4U(m): 3:02pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Let's come together as United Nations of Africa. |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by Nobody: 3:07pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
hahn: so telling me that unesco doesn't do anything? fyi i wasn't referring to u personally! i was talking about africa |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by Nobody: 3:09pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
all4naija: So, semites aren't mixed, yet there aren't negroid nor caucasoid (and they sure aren't Mongoloid, nor Australoid). So, which race are they? And stay on topic cos 'Africa', 'Semite', 'European', 'Berber', 'Arab' and all the other terms we're using are all new construct to represent folks based on geography. If you have a problem with me using "Africa" then stop posting the other terms - deal or no deal? Moreover, Carthage was founded by the Phoenicians (I've been to Tunisia). And what race was Hannibal? |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by nora544: 3:09pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
I will try to give you a little bit that with moors it is not the black african moors are the people from mauretania that are the people from nord east africa who live in spaine and italy but never are the black african also people from some east african country like Ethiopian are moors in german it is Mohr it has the meaning the dark not black in italy it is le nero for blacks. So the op is not right because it never mean black The Moors came from the North African country of Morocco and crossed the Strait of Gibraltar to get into the Iberian Peninsula. The Moors were initially of Arab and Berber descent at the time of the Umayyad conquest of Hispania in the early 8th century, but later came to include people of mixed heritage, and Iberian Christian converts to Islam were known by the Arabs as Muwalladun or Muladi.[7][8] About the semites language The Semitic languages are a language family originating in the Near East whose living representatives are spoken by more than 470 million people across much of Western Asia, North Africa and the Horn of Africa, as well as in large expatriate communities in North America and Europe. They constitute a branch of the Afroasiatic language family. The most widely spoken Semitic languages today are (numbers given are for native speakers only) Arabic (300 million),[2] Amharic (21.8 million),[3] Hebrew (7 million),[4][5][6] Tigrinya (6.7 million),[7] and Aramaic (550,000). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages We in europa belong to the Indo-European languages The Indo-European languages are a family of several hundred related languages and dialects. There are about 439 languages and dialects, according to the 2009 Ethnologue estimate, about half (221) belonging to the Indo-Aryan subbranch.[2] It includes most major current languages of Europe, the Middle East, and the Indian Subcontinent, and was also predominant in ancient Anatolia. With written attestations appearing since the Bronze Age in the form of the Anatolian languages and Mycenaean Greek, the Indo-European family is significant to the field of historical linguistics as possessing the second-longest recorded history, after the Afro-Asiatic family. Indo-European languages are spoken by almost 3 billion native speakers,[3] the largest number by far for any recognised language family. Of the 20 languages with the largest numbers of native speakers according to SIL Ethnologue, 12 are Indo-European: Spanish, English, Hindi, Portuguese, Bengali, Russian, German, Sindhi, Punjabi, Marathi, French, Urdu, and Italian, accounting for over 1.7 billion native speakers.[4] Several disputed proposals link Indo-European to other major language families. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages Magyar(language of Hungary) Finnish and Estonian, it belongs to the Uralic language family, and is one of the few languages of Europe that are not part of the Indo-European family. It is an agglutinative language. The Uralic languages /jʊˈrælɨk/ (sometimes called Uralian /jʊˈreɪliən/ languages) constitute a language family of some 38[2] languages spoken by approximately 25 million people. The Uralic languages with the most native speakers are Hungarian, Finnish, and Estonian, which are official languages of Hungary, Finland, and Estonia, respectively, and of the European Union. Other Uralic languages with significant numbers of speakers are Erzya, Moksha, Mari, Udmurt, and Komi, which are officially recognized languages in various regions of Russia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uralic_languages 1 Like |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by nora544: 3:12pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
SirShymex: Semitic languages The Semitic languages are a language family originating in the Near East whose living representatives are spoken by more than 470 million people across much of Western Asia, North Africa and the Horn of Africa, as well as in large expatriate communities in North America and Europe. They constitute a branch of the Afroasiatic language family. The most widely spoken Semitic languages today are (numbers given are for native speakers only) Arabic (300 million),[2] Amharic (21.8 million),[3] Hebrew (7 million),[4][5][6] Tigrinya (6.7 million),[7] and Aramaic (550,000). Semitic languages are attested in written form from a very early date, with Akkadian and Eblaite texts (written in a script adapted from Sumerian cuneiform) appearing from around the middle of the third millennium BC in Mesopotamia and the northern Levant respectively. However, most scripts used to write Semitic languages are abjads — a type of alphabetic script that omits some or all of the vowels, which is feasible for these languages because the consonants in the Semitic languages are the primary carriers of meaning. Among them are the Ugaritic, Phoenician, Aramaic, Hebrew, Syriac, Arabic, and South Arabian alphabets. The Ge'ez alphabet, used for writing the Semitic languages of Ethiopia and Eritrea, is technically an abugida — a modified abjad in which vowels are notated using diacritic marks added to the consonants. Maltese is the only Semitic language written in the Latin script and the only official Semitic language of the European Union. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by Nobody: 3:17pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
nora544: Apart from "Arabs" where are all the other languages located? (Hebrew is inconsequential cos those who speak Hebrew today are European Jews who converted to the Hebrew faith). And please stop posting Wikipedia - I want to see proper academic references. Wikipedia is junk. |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by Nobody: 3:19pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
From the National Archives of the UK: Black Moors in Scotland Africans have been present in Europe from classical times. In the 2nd and 3rd centuries Roman soldiers of African origin served in Britain, and some stayed after their military service ended. According to the historians Fryer, Edwards and Walvin, in the 9th century Viking fleets raided North Africa and Spain, captured Black people, and took them to Britain and Ireland. From the end of the 15th century we begin to see more evidence for the presence of Glossary - opens new windowBlack Moors in the accounts of the reign of King James IV of Scotland, and later in Elizabethan England. King James IV (1473-1513) and the Black Moors of his Court King James IV of Scotland came to the throne in 1488. He was an able and visionary monarch whose administration united and maintained order in the Scottish highlands and lowlands. He encouraged manufacturing and shipbuilding, and created a navy. James IV also renewed Scotland's alliance with France, although in 1503 he took an English wife, Margaret Tudor, daughter of Henry VII of England. James was a popular, fun-loving king with many interests. Many Black Moors were present at his court. Some worked as servants or (possibly) slaves, but others seem to have been invited guests or musicians. We know that he courted Margaret with lute and clavichord recitals and took her out hunting and playing sports. After their marriage, the king's Lord High Treasurer's accounts provide numerous entries to show how much he enjoyed lively entertainment, employing foreign minstrels from Italy and elsewhere. King James was generous to all kinds of people, including Black Moors, as the following entries from the Treasurer's accounts demonstrate: To celebrate Shrove Tuesday in 1505, several Africans including a Glossary - opens new window'taubronar' (drummer) and a choreographer were present in Edinburgh. Twelve dancers (including Italians) performed in specially made black-and-white costumes costing £13 2s 10d. Was this the origin of Morris (Moorish) dancing? In 1504-5 the 'Moryen' taubronar was paid 28 shillings to allow his taubroun (drum) to be painted. James bought a horse at a cost of £4 4s for this drummer, who accompanied him when he toured his northern domains. Moor women were also mentioned in the Treasurer's accounts. It is unclear whether or not they were servants, since they were showered with items such as gowns of satin, ribbons, slippers and gloves, paid for by the king. Entries that refer to Moor women include: 'Blak Elene' or 'Elen More' was given five French crowns in 1512. A 'blak madin' who attended Queen Margaret was given four-and-a-quarter ells (just over five yards) of French russet. 'Blak Margaret' was given a gown costing 48s in 1513. 'Two blak ladies' staying at the Scottish Court were presented with 10 French crowns as a New Year gift at a cost of £7. In 1527, one item simply said ' to Helenor, the blak moir - 60 shillings' . After James IV's death at Flodden in 1513 during the Franco-Scottish invasion of England, fewer references to Africans appear in the accounts. Interestingly, however, in 1594, during the reign of James VI, a richly attired Black Moor was paid to help pull the chariots during celebrations to mark the birth of James's eldest son, Henry Frederick. Nothing more is known about this man except that he lived in Edinburgh. Documents http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/blackhistory/early_times/moors.htm 1 Like |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by chyket(m): 3:19pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Thanks a lot,this is very enlightening.I will actually carry out further research on this personally and I will coopt my mum who read history on this |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by Nobody: 3:21pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
SirShymex:Seriously, dude, you have no argument there. If you're going about race my definition is clear on that in my previous post prior to your last reply. There are three types of classification of race, the Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid and they all belong to one race, the human race. I think that is clear enough to understand on race issue. But Moor is not actually about race because of how the term has lost its true origin. I make it clear in one of my previous posts that the original Moors are from present day Morocco, the Berbers. Their look is neither white or black but Semitic. When it comes to classification of their race they are grouped with the Caucasoid - if that is what you want to know about. Those term you listed aren't new construct because some of them are as old as some history we talk about. You would have to look up the etymology to have better understanding of their origin. I have visited Carthage as well in Tunis. They are a lot of Roman historical sites there. |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by Nobody: 3:23pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
[s] all4naija:[/s] Utter nonsense! There are Roman historical sites in Carthage today cos the Romans defeated the Carthaginians and destroyed Carthage. Anyway, you still haven't answered my question. WHich race was Hannibal? |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by Oduduwaboy(m): 3:26pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Falsehood all through. Who are the blackmen that ruled Europe who had no names? why make reference to the FICTIONAL works of shakespeare & Christopher Marlowe? Those works are just fiction , not historical documents. Telling lies as 'history' will not further the cause of suffering black race. I am very proud of my heritage but i also know we have a lot of work to do as a race. 1 Like |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by Nobody: 3:35pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
Let me help with pictures of Moors in Iberia and England. Alessandro de' Medici, called "Il Moro" (The Moor) |
Re: History: When Black Men Ruled The World by Nobody: 3:36pm On Nov 16, 2014 |
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