mzilakazi:


That source does not tell the truth because it is only India that upgraded her FH77B to the level it is today with her own money and resources.

Meanwhile, Nigeria's FH77B are reported to be in storage.


http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-32118/

Source said earlier Bofors production have been upgraded , only you selects India as the only upgrade, you left out Nigeria and Sweden to satisfy your fraudulent desires.

over 90% of SANDF G-6 artillery are in storage according to defenceweb
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agaugust:


Source said earlier Bofors production have been upgraded , only you selects India as the only upgrade, you left out Nigeria and Sweden to satisfy your fraudulent desires.

over 90% of SANDF G-6 artillery are in storage according to defenceweb
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All the batteries that use the G6 are reserve force though.

agaugust:


Your source actaully proves SAAF Hawk jets have NO radar NO targeting pods they will use only FLIR like NAF Mi-35 helicopters.

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they can use radar from LINKZA, you already know that by now.

zaandrew:


But did you get the parts for the swap? No indication shows this is the case.

Upgrades are not recorded by arms sales logs. Details are usually scanty or zero, nobody knows what parts were upgraded on NAF Alpha jets avionics or NA Styer APC.

Can't probe details that are not published, all we have published is that upgrade was done, don't add or subtract from it.

Leave it as it is.

ActivateKruger:


they can use radar from LINKZA, you already know that by now.

Communication data link is a telecoms interface not a targeting pod for firing weapons on a target that is locked on.

Stop fooling around.

SANDF data link has NEVER been proved to work operationally, it only exists on paper like Mokopa !
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agaugust:


Upgrades are not recorded by arms sales logs. Details are usually scanty or zero, nobody knows what parts were upgraded on NAF Alpha jets avionics or NA Styer APC.

Can't probe details that are not published, all we have published is that upgrade was done, don't add or subtract from it.

Leave it as it is.

But you boaught after the upgraded guns where up and ready. Ay case you have zero proof of a upgrade so lets go with no upgrade.

zaandrew:


But you boaught after the upgraded guns where up and ready. Ay case you have zero proof of a upgrade so lets go with no upgrade.

Nigeria bought last batch of Bofors around 2003 .

Army guide said earlier production was upgraded by users, we go with that.

Simple
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agaugust:


Nigeria bought last batch of Bofors around 2003 .

Army guide said earlier production was upgraded by users, we go with that.

Simple
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What upgrades though, there are many upgrade option. Changing to a new version is a major upgrade and would get a mention.

zaandrew:


All the batteries that use the G6 are reserve force though.

Does not change the fact that over 90% of G-6 artillery is in cold frozen reserve.

If you live in a glass house don't throw stones
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agaugust:


Does not change the fact that over 90% of G-6 artillery is in cold frozen reserve.

If you live in a glass house don't throw stones
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Means that there units are not activate but the guns are kept ready. Those not in storge are used for training those in storge are the ones used for war, they are thus kept combat ready and cost less to maintain due to being used less. Those not in storge are kept at our training centres, where they can actually be fired, you need a massive shooting range to fire them, most countries do no have a range big enough to fire the G6 at max range.

UK, USA and others does something similar, they have a lot of AFV in storage near where they will be used, Aka main land Europe.

agaugust:


Source said earlier Bofors production have been upgraded , only you selects India as the only upgrade, you left out Nigeria and Sweden to satisfy your fraudulent desires.

over 90% of SANDF G-6 artillery are in storage according to defenceweb
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That's a lie, the only G6 Rhinos which were in storage were to be upgraded to G6-52 calibre. During exercise in Lohatlha the gunners fire many G5s and G6s from 4 ART battalion that I do not need media to tell me anything about.


@Agaugust is now finally busted


The original FH-77B 39 calibre is an export version of Haubits 77A with slightly modified features. Nigeria procured 48 of those guns in 1980 which were produced by Bofors and later were joined by India as export clients.

Nigeria's FH-77Bs are still in their original form from the way they were procured from the manufacturer (Bofors). India is the only country so far to have upgraded their howitzers from 155mm/39 calibre to 155mm/45 calibre and are now codified as FH-77 B02, which is similar to the old G6-45 calibre.

The latest variants which you are making a noise about is designated 155mm FH-77 B05 L52 which is an upgrade from 155mm/39 calibre to 155mm/52 calibre and can reach a range of up to 41000m with Base Bleed ammo. However, it is only two howitzers so far which have been upgraded to this level by BAE system. The demonstration of this new variant was done in India in 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2006. Unfortunately, no contracts were allocated by India to further this project.

In conclusion, Nigeria's FH77B has not undergone upgrades and cannot fire beyond 30 km range. Hence, It is not a secret that Nigeria as a whole has undoubtedly inferior artillery to that of SA.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haubits_FH77



http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4673.html

You see how easy it is to catch you?

Silent night ... prepp'n for casting out of demons ... rapid fire-style ... na who born dem?!

NaijaPikinGidi:
Silent night ... prepp'n for casting out of demons ... rapid fire-style ... na who born dem?!

make it rain..Sleep tyt sir

agaugust:


Communication data link is a telecoms interface not a targeting pod for firing weapons on a target that is locked on.

Stop fooling around.

SANDF data link has NEVER been proved to work operationally, it only exists on paper like Mokopa !
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Aguby.... I don't have time for your bvllshit... you obviously know nothing about links and especially LINKZA... the Hawks can use virtual radar provided by LINKZA you buffoon...

mzilakazi:



That's a lie, the only G6 Rhinos which were in storage were to be upgraded to G6-52 calibre. During exercise in Lohatlha the gunners fire many G5s and G6s from 4 ART battalion that I do not need media to tell me anything about.


@Agaugust is now finally busted


The original FH-77B 39 calibre is an export version of Haubits 77A with slightly modified features. Nigeria procured 48 of those guns in 1980 which were produced by Bofors and later were joined by India as export clients.

Nigeria's FH-77Bs are still in their original form from the way they were procured from the manufacturer (Bofors). India is the only country so far to have upgraded their howitzers from 155mm/39 calibre to 155mm/45 calibre and are now codified as FH-77 B02, which is similar to the old G6-45 calibre.

The latest variants which you are making a noise about is designated 155mm FH-77 B05 L52 which is an upgrade from 155mm/39 calibre to 155mm/52 calibre and can reach a range of up to 41000m with Base Bleed ammo. However, it is only two howitzers so far which have been upgraded to this level by BAE system. The demonstration of this new variant was done in India in 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2006. Unfortunately, no contracts were allocated by India to further this project.

In conclusion, Nigeria's FH77B has not undergone upgrades and cannot fire above 30 km. However Nigeria as a whole has undoubtedly inferior artillery to that of SA.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haubits_FH77



http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4673.html

You see how easy it is to catch you?

No

Your long story is a waste of time and manipulative confusion with fraudulent intent.

Bofors matter is very simple.

PROVED HERE ON NAIRALAND WITH SOURCES :


1. SIPRI database confirmed Nigeria and India bought the same Bofors FH-77B

2. Army Guide website and Indian army official video, both sources agree Bofors FH-77B has maximum range 41km.

3. Nigeria has Bofors FH-77B artillery with range maximum 41km

4. CASE CLOSED !
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agaugust:


How does SAAF Hawk jet use your Umbani guided bomb? Your Hawks have no radar and no targeting pods.

A-Darter missile does not exist in SAAF Arsenal, still a dream
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Hawk uses the data-link for targeting

agaugust:


Your source actaully proves SAAF Hawk jets have NO radar NO targeting pods they will use only FLIR like NAF Mi-35 helicopters.

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data-link

agaugust:


Communication data link is a telecoms interface not a targeting pod for firing weapons on a target that is locked on.

Stop fooling around.

SANDF data link has NEVER been proved to work operationally, it only exists on paper like Mokopa !
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We posted a citation where Hawks used LinkZA to aim their weapons.

One practical application of Link ZA is as catalyst for the SA Air Force’s BAE Systems Mk 120 Hawk LIFT radar-simulation system (RSS), which uses a radio-frequency network established among as many as eight aircraft engaged in an exercise. Each aircraft constantly transmits its position via a Link ZA datalink, and each aircraft's mission computer calculates the positions of the other aircraft relative to itself. That picture is displayed as a real-time radar image on one of each pilot’s three multifunction displays (MFD).
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-6184/

If you didnt have the memory of a gold fish, you would recall this

iconize:


Another display of ignorance laced dumbness.

Emem Udouk, a Nigerian scored the first ever goal in the Nest of Champions stadium, against Ghana.

You must bow for the Champions!

[img]http://soccergunz.files./2013/02/afcon-champions.jpeg[/img]

The fake champ slowly bowed out of the competition. Your strikers can't score and you won by mistake. The mistake keeps correcting itself.

JiggamanGh:


The fake champ slowly bowed out of the competition. Your strikers can't score and you won by mistake. The mistake keeps correcting itself.

I wonder why Ghana has not won any competition by luck since 1982.

agaugust:


No

Your long story is a waste of time and manipulative confusion with fraudulent intent.

Bofors matter is very simple.

PROVED HERE ON NAIRALAND WITH SOURCES :


1. SIPRI database confirmed Nigeria and India bought the same Bofors FH-77B

2. Army Guide website and Indian army official video, both sources agree Bofors FH-77B has maximum range 41km.

3. Nigeria has Bofors FH-77B artillery with range maximum 41km

4. CASE CLOSED !
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The irony of the boldened part.

Army guide confirms the max range of the Bofors with standard ammunition as 24km and 30km with HEER BB

Charges include the Charge 8 which is roughly equivalent to M119 but gives more favourable pressure and burning properties at extreme temperatures. Charge 8 provides a muzzle velocity of 685 m/s to give a range of 19,000 m. Charge 9 is a new development to provide a muzzle velocity of 827 m/s and a range with standard projectiles of 24,000 m and with base bleed projectiles of 30,000 m.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4673.html

This is from the same page you are using.

The picture you use on that page is for the LH77 B05 L52

Your own source confirms max range is 24km and 30km. Indian acheivements at high altitude are irrelevant.

Augugu king of fraud

iconize:


I wonder why Ghana has not won any competition by luck since 1982.

We still have more than the useless chin chins. We have developed better players than your useless country.

Who r u going to root for come 2015.

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iconize:
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They banned me from the sports page, so I can't reply over there


Cameroon is the only country that is on the same level as Ghana when it comes to producing top players. Nigeria is way behind Ghana.

As long as we have the pride and joy of Africa, Ghana in the tournament. The tournament will be just fine. Eba eayers can continue to chop eba because football is not your thing.

patches689:


Hawk uses the data-link for targeting

You cannot lock on to a target with data-link.

You need one of the following...Radar, FLIR, Satellite GPS, but it has to be connected with the weapon being fired.

Hawk jet can receive information of a Nigerian T-72 tank location, but how will SANDF get that information when your ISTAR capability is 66 years behind NAF ?

You are just having wet dreams in your bedroom
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patches689:


We posted a citation where Hawks used LinkZA to aim their weapons.

One practical application of Link ZA is as catalyst for the SA Air Force’s BAE Systems Mk 120 Hawk LIFT radar-simulation system (RSS), which uses a radio-frequency network established among as many as eight aircraft engaged in an exercise. Each aircraft constantly transmits its position via a Link ZA datalink, and each aircraft's mission computer calculates the positions of the other aircraft relative to itself. That picture is displayed as a real-time radar image on one of each pilot’s three multifunction displays (MFD).
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-6184/

If you didnt have the memory of a gold fish, you would recall this

You were foolishly aiming weapons in a training exercise with your own forces among your own SANDF playing role of target and seeker among yourselves. Real enemies in real war are located in enemy lines, not inside your own camp. Fool !

How will SAAF get information of a Nigerian Roland SAM location without being shot down or intercepted by NAF jets with PL-9C missiles ?

You get close to identify enemy, you stay far away you cannot differentiate friend or foe !

War is a game South Africa has not played for 20 years, and you think it is a video game, no, it is a game of death in reality
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patches689:


Hawk uses the data-link for targeting

ActivateKruger:


Aguby.... I don't have time for your bvllshit... you obviously know nothing about links and especially LINKZA... the Hawks can use virtual radar provided by LINKZA you buffoon...

SANDF data-link has not been proven to exist except on paper, you never did anything on record with it.

Data-link is a telecoms device, not a targeting pod or radar for locking on to targets for weapons delivery attack. Fool !

You can only attack targets you lock on with your radar or FLIR, then satellite GPS.

Yet if you are too far away, you may be targeting your own army without knowing it, friendly fire disaster
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agaugust:


You cannot lock on to a target with data-link.

You need one of the following...Radar, FLIR, Satellite GPS, but it has to be connected with the weapon being fired.

Hawk jet can receive information of a Nigerian T-72 tank location, but how will SANDF get that information when your ISTAR capability is 66 years behind NAF ?

You are just having wet dreams in your bedroom
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Gripen can perform ISTAR role with targeting pods - target info can be sent via LinkSA

33% of ISTAR missions flown in Libya were done by gripen

You should do some research before commenting

patches689:


The irony of the boldened part.

Army guide confirms the max range of the Bofors with standard ammunition as 24km and 30km with HEER BB

Charges include the Charge 8 which is roughly equivalent to M119 but gives more favourable pressure and burning properties at extreme temperatures. Charge 8 provides a muzzle velocity of 685 m/s to give a range of 19,000 m. Charge 9 is a new development to provide a muzzle velocity of 827 m/s and a range with standard projectiles of 24,000 m and with base bleed projectiles of 30,000 m.

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4673.html

This is from the same page you are using.

The picture you use on that page is for the LH77 B05 L52

Your own source confirms max range is 24km and 30km. Indian acheivements at high altitude are irrelevant.

Augugu king of fraud

No, my source web link and photo screenshot is for normal Bofors FH-77B....Not B05 L52...

See the website's topic heading...Designation : FH-77B in photo one below.

Also, the Indian video's topic heading is FH-77B....Not your dreamland B05 L52


Then see the website for FH-77B weblink, it's different from B05 L52

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4673.html

Now this is the different website for Bofors FH-77 B05 L52, its totally different from normal FH-77B

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2820.html


All I have posted is FH-77B, clean and clear, and the photo screenshot is repeated below in photo number two....my special gift for all butt hurt South African dumbo domingoes

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agaugust:


You were foolishly aiming weapons in a training exercise with your own forces among your own SANDF playing role of target and seeker among yourselves. Real enemies in real war are located in enemy lines, not inside your own camp. Fool !

How will SAAF get information of a Nigerian Roland SAM location without being shot down or intercepted by NAF jets with PL-9C missiles ?

You get close to identify enemy, you stay far away you cannot differentiate friend or foe !

War is a game South Africa has not played for 20 years, and you think it is a video game, no, it is a game of death in reality
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First, this is a game Nigeria has never played

Second, Gripen can fly at altitude safe from Roland's and other Grip can perform escort

In conclusion, we have just proven that everything you said was wrong, and your response is the post above? A post which avoids dealing with all the facts?

0/10 - apply yourself

agaugust:


No, my source web link and photo screenshot is for normal Bofors FH-77B....Not B05 L52...

See the topic heading...Designation : FH-77B in photo one below.

Also, the Indian video topic heading is FH-77B....Not your dreamland B05 L52


Then see the website for FH-77B weblink, it's different from B05 L52

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4673.html

Now this is the different website for Bofors FH-77 B05 L52, its totally different from normal FH-77B

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2820.html


ALL I HAVE POSTED IS FH-77B, CLEAN AND CLEAR, AND THE PHOTO SCREENSHOT IS REPEATED BELOW IN PHOTO NUMBER TWO....SPECIAL GIFT FOR ALL BUTT HURT SAFFAS

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Your link of 40km is from an army guide pager that discusses both the FH77B and the B05 L52

Why does it say one max range in the page and then contradict itself later on the same page?

Because it is referring to two different systems

You have also added the title "FH77B" to the graph yourself- so now you are editing sources?

Pic related how the page actually appears- note how it is talking about the FH77 B05 L52

Your attempts at fraud are poor indeed

A new day, a new lie exposed

patches689:


Your link of 40km is from an army guide pager that discusses both the FH77B and the B05 L52

Why does it say one max range in the page and then contradict itself later on the same page?

Because it is referring to two different systems

Your attempts at fraud are poor indeed

Indian Army Official video voice analysis and the headline topic too says ONLY FH-77B, second source, second proof from me.

See the heading clearly and boldly written on the video below saying FH-77B, not your dreamer B05 L52


Case Closed Finally !

Butt Hurt Soweto plum heads, you all lose badly


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaK1jFg8JBE
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