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| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:22am On Nov 21, 2014 |
. Bofors matter is very simple. PROVED HERE ON NAIRALAND WITH SOURCES : 1. SIPRI database confirmed Nigeria and India bought the same Bofors FH-77B 2. Army Guide website and Indian army official video, both sources agree Bofors FH-77B has maximum range 41km. 3. Nigeria has Bofors FH-77B artillery with range maximum 41km 4. CASE CLOSED ! . |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:35am On Nov 21, 2014 |
agaugust: Voice analysis also says that 40km is only achievable at high altitude and is not the standard range Also, they specifically say the normal maximum range is 30km All sources say maximum range with HEER BB is 30km. Max range with HE is under 27km - confirmed by all sources I am getting tired of you and your blatant fraud. 2 Likes |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:39am On Nov 21, 2014 |
agaugust: 1. SIPRI does not say that you have the exact same B variant 2. Army guide lists the max range for FH77B as 30km, Indian army video confirms this. I have exposed your fraud relating to Ay website and 40km 3. Nigerian army does not have base-bleed so max range is under 27 km Case closed, you aren't fooling anyone- confirmed by the fact that no Nigerians have jumped to support you Pic related, fraud exposed - Armywebsite lists 40ax range for FH77 B05 L52 NOT FH77B 2 Likes
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| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 4:23am On Nov 21, 2014 |
agaugust: WhahahahahahahahHahahahahahahahahahHah!!!!! Man, you are messed up and you know well that you lost this topic. That's why you do not have any facts to counter my statement, you just disagree because the devil in you is a stubborn one, but at least those who can read meticulously have drawn a distinction to see who is right. You couldn't succeed because I can never be defeated by a Nigerian educated mind. Never will that happen in my lifetime. YOU LOSE!!!! 1 Like |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 4:47am On Nov 21, 2014 |
agaugust: This is an excerpt from wikipedia. Variants Towed variant FH77 A - original baseline version. FH77 B - export version with a modified breech block and lower rate of fire. FH77 B02 Upgraded - Indian upgrade of FH77 B to 155mm/45 calibre with electronic and mechanical overhaul (currently under development). [2] FH77 B05 L52 - further development of the basic version from 39 to 52 caliber gun barrel with improved overall performance. [citation needed ] Vehicle-mounted variant Archer Artillery System - self-propelled version with a 52 caliber gun mounted on the chassis of a Volvo articulated hauler http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haubits_FH77 We don't disagree that they all look the same (FH77B), but what changed is the length of the burrel/ordnance. The original export version was made as 155mm/39L and India upgraded it to 155mm/45L, hence the change of designation to FH-77B02 to show that it is no longer the same as originally purchased. The latest variant is FH-77B05 L52 which was made from the old FH-77B same as G6-45 could be converted to G6-52 just by changing the ordnance/calibre and adding some few features. The BAE system converted only two which were shown in your YOU TUBE video. The testing of this variant was done in India from 2002 to 2006. However, as at 2008 there were no contract offered by India for this project. I quote Bofors FH-77 B05 L52 The now BAE Systems Bofors has upgraded two examples of the FH-77B 39 calibre with a 155 mm/52 calibre ordnance and this is designated the FH-77 B05 L52. They were successfully demonstrated in India in 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2006. As of early 2008 no production contracts had been awarded by India for any 155 mm artillery systems. http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4673.html Hence, there is no way that your originally purchased FH-77B with an ordnance length of 39 can come to perform same as the new modern bofors with L52 which Nigeria does not have. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by zaandrew: 5:18am On Nov 21, 2014 |
agaugust: Actualy you can. A umkhonto was all ready fired at a target a seprat ship locked on to. Basicaly Ship A shot the tartet while only ship B had's radar on. But that is hardly the point. The PGM does not need Radar. The hawk can carry a targeting/recc pod. The same one built for the cheeta so the Hawk has FLIR then. But this is all a moot point since you need none of this. by making use of GPS/INS guidance. Increased targeting accuracy can be achieved by using an Imaging Infrared (IIR) with complete Automatic Target Recognition (ATR) capability, or a semi-active laser seeker. The system can also be fitted with an RF proximity fuze for area targeting, using a prefragmented warhead. Fly to point, drop bomb and then the bomb does the rest. 3 Likes |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by zaandrew: 5:24am On Nov 21, 2014 |
agaugust: Data link is used every hour of every day in the SANDF. It is a sytem that all new SANDF radios are a part of. It is not some paper thing but a actual think in use. Data link means some one else can do the targeting work for you. That is what people are trying to tell you Data link includs a blue force tracker to prevent freindly fire. They may still take place but the odds are reduced greatly. 2 Likes |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 6:51am On Nov 21, 2014 |
@Agaugust's lies are exposed yet again India's state-run Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) will deliver two types of indigenously developed 155mm howitzers to the Indian Army for user trials by December 2012 and June 2013 respectively, the nation's Defence Minister AK Antony has announced. Antony said in a written reply to the Rajya Sabha that OFB had been asked by the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) in October 2011 to manufacture two prototypes of 155mm/39 calibre FH-77-B02 guns and the upgraded version of 155mm/45 calibre howitzers guns. The two prototypes will be ready by December 2012, followed by two samples of the upgraded 45 calibre guns by June 2013, Antony added. According to the Defence Minister, OFB will also simultaneously conduct an electronic and mechanical upgrade to the 45mm calibre on one "in service" 155mm/39 separately. Being manufactured by OFB under a Transfer of Technology (ToT) treaty signed with AB Bofors in 1986, the self-propelled FH-77-B02 howitzer is an upgraded version of the Swedish 155mm Field Howitzer 77B (FH-77), with a range of 30km and high momentary rate of fire. A total of 410 FH77B howitzer field guns were purchased by the army from AB Bofors under a $1.3bn deal in 1986, which later ran into controversy over bribery allegations by the Swedish media. The Indian Defence Ministry has also recently cleared a long-pending Rs30bn ($560m) deal for the acquisition of 145 M777 ultra-light howitzer (ULH) guns from BAE Land Systems & Armaments, the first such acquisition by the army in the last 26 years. The Indian Army is planning to procure a total of 3600 155mm/39 calibre lightweight howitzers and 155mm/52 calibre towed, wheeled and tracked howitzers by 2020 at an estimated cost of $50 to $70bn. The howitzers will be used by the army to equip 180 of the 220 field artillery regiments, as reported by Military Observation. http://www.army-technology.com/news/newsindian-ofb-soon-deliver-artillery-guns-user-trials 1 Like |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ActivateKruger: 7:10am On Nov 21, 2014 |
Meanwhile in Nigeria Parliamentarians running wild as police gased up Parliament Joke country
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| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 7:35am On Nov 21, 2014 |
Agaugust lies exposed further New Delhi, May 11 The shortage of artillery guns in the Army is to be a thing of the past. Field trials to test the guns of two of the worlds leading gun-makers will commence at the shooting ranges in Rajasthan at the end of this month. According to sources in the Defence Ministry, a 155-mm gun, which is the backbone of artillery, has to be purchased immediately. One of the two guns, meeting the general staff qualitative requirement (GSQR), has to be selected and there will be no waiting. The selection system would be transparent, sources said. Since 2002, India has conducted trials for the 155-mm gun at least four times. However, each time the nation has shied away from purchasing the gun. The shadow of the AB Bofors gun deal done in late 1980’s loomed large and held back the bureaucracy and politicos from taking a decision, maintains a top source. Trials will be conducted in deserts and mountains. The summer phase could start anytime between May 25 and 30. The maximum daytime temperature will play a major role in making that decision as the gun has to be tested for withstanding heat. The Army needs around 1,580 155-mm guns and is looking at a 52 calibre bore — that is heavier and fires longer than the 39 calibre being used now. http://www.tribuneindia.com/2010/20100512/nation.htm#4 |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 8:17am On Nov 21, 2014 |
India's howitzer competition of suppliers to meet the artillery requirements of the army. The competition was between Denel (SA), Soltam (Israel) and BAE system. http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/murky-competition-for-2b-india-howitzer-order-may-end-soon-0805/ 1 Like |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 9:09am On Nov 21, 2014 |
Development, testing and evaluation are complete and the SA Military Health Service (SAMHS) now has a fully equipped chemical and biological analysis mobile laboratory further boosting its arsenal of life saving equipment. The MCBDL (mobile chemical and biological detection laboratory) is a product of Protechnik Laboratories, a company in Armscor’s portfolio of defence science and technology institutes. It worked in conjunction with TFD, a South African lead logistics provider, to complete the first phase of the MCBDL in 2011 after which the unit was deployed at Armscor’s Alkantpan test range for evaluation. A spokesman said the mobile lab “performed well in the rugged Northern Cape environment”. Additionally, and more importantly, it integrated “seamlessly” with 7 Medical Battalion Group’s incident detection group during a mock chemical weapons attack exercise. The evaluation led to additional client requirement being identified. These included the need/means to transport consumables and services for the laboratory, a decontamination system for waste water and personnel, a rest and administration area, as well as additional ancillary requirements to ensure independent operation of the laboratory. The second phase of development saw these requirements incorporated as well as a support container system. This work was completed and tested last year. The laboratory consists of two standard ISO containers: the laboratory and a support container deployed close together, with tenting covering the space between them to provide a sheltered area for personnel to relax and carry out routine tasks. Both containers have been designed to be fitted onto and transported by IVECO trucks adapted for roll-on roll-off systems. This means the MCBDL fits into 7 Medical Battalion Group’s available infrastructure, practices and SOPs. Making the MCBDL different from similar defence laboratories is that it is not just a system based on field portable detection. It is, a Protechnik spokesman said, a mobile laboratory containing the same equipment found in a static research facility. The lab was designed to provide a safe analytical environment, where the focus is not on the equipment but on the infrastructure housing it. This means additional equipment can be integrated into the lab as needs change, for example for HIV and tuberculosis diagnostics or for analysis of environmental samples for pesticides. Scientists do not wear protective clothing in a tented structure adjacent to the laboratory. They will either wear gowns and respirators or level B chemical suits, depending on the threat identified in the field. A scientist enters the lab via an access-controlled double door changing cubicle. Access is granted by a computerised system only if safe pressure levels are present inside the laboratory. Once inside the cubicle the pressures of the three compartments may be seen in a digital display system. When the pressure of the lab has normalised the scientist can enter either the preparation or analytical compartment. Samples are introduced from the outside by the 7 Medical Battalion Group detection team via a pass-through box system, a design unique to this lab. The pass-through box is evacuated passively and air is filtered using gas mask filter canisters, manufactured by Hazmat, a division of Armscor. Similarly, all air entering and leaving the lab is filtered using a gas mask canister array (also unique to this project). These Armscor manufactured off the shelf items can be acquired and changed rapidly during laboratory operation, reducing downtime. The sample is then either placed in a class 2 biosafety cabinet, or class 3 glove-box; depending on sample type and risk status. The sample is then processed using standard scientific methods developed at Protechnik Laboratories. Once the sample is processed it is passed to the analytical compartment, via a pass-through chamber, for analysis. Scientific investigations/methods that can be performed in the MCBDL include bacterial cell culture; animal cell culture in a dedicated carbon dioxide incubator; cytotoxicity testing; light and inverted microscopy; bacterial staining; microbial metabolic testing; real-time Polymerase Chain Reaction; ELISA; solid phase chemical extraction; basic chemistry sample preparation, and gas chromatography – mass spectrometry. As far as emergency and safety is concerned the laboratory is under negative pressure with directional airflow to prevent the escape of harmful chemicals or pathogens. Air entering the lab is HEPA filtered and air leaving the lab is HEPA-carbon filtered. Water leaving the lab is filtered through particle filters, carbon filters and then chemically treated. Solid waste is autoclaved inside the laboratory before it is removed. Besides engineering controls, doctrine for safe use, for example, PPE type and use has been established for both chemical and biological work. A chemical shower is fitted to the laboratory exit. A scientist is decontaminated chemically and washed down by high pressure sprayers fitted to the shower. Water from this process is collected and treated prior to disposal. In the event of gross contamination within the laboratory, the container may be fumigated with chlorine dioxide gas, using a specially designed fumigation port fitted to the outside of the lab. 2 Likes
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| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 10:02am On Nov 21, 2014 |
SHOW NIGERIAN MADE WEAPONS.....ATTACHED ARE SOUTH AFRICAN MADE, DESIGNED AND PRODUCE WEAPONS 2 Likes
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| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 10:04am On Nov 21, 2014 |
SOUTH AFRICAN NATIONAL DEFENCE FORCE 2 Likes
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| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 10:06am On Nov 21, 2014 |
THE SANDF THE PROUD OF THE NATION NOT SPRINTER RUNNERS OF THE NATION 2 Likes
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| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 10:09am On Nov 21, 2014 |
SANDF RECRUITMENT DRIVE 2 Likes
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| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:18pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
patches689: First, this is a game South Africa has NEVER played, SAAF has NEVER used data-links before in any combat, not even against sea pirates  Second, Gripen is NOT safe anywhere as it will be intercepted by NAF F-7NI with equally matched PL-9C missiles and PL-5 missiles In conclusion, you lied about SAAF fake non-existent experience with data-links, and NO experience with Gripen or Hawk jets in combat 0/100 - apply yourself .
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| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 12:27pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
agaugust: F7NI same as those of Namibia and Zim are just sharks without teeth. They cannot fire missiles. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:34pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
agaugust: We have plenty of experience with data-links. Training = experience. First, Nigeria has never in its history engaged in Air-To-Air combat. Nigeria has also never in its history operated against advanced air-defence systems. So you have ZERO experience, and we have plenty. Second, you only have 3 operational NAF F-7NI, which are inferior to the Gripen in every way AND as I have shown in the past the PL-9C and PL-5 is inferior to both the A-darter and the IRIS-T Third, you cannot intercept what you do not know is there. Without mobile radar capabilities you will be blind. By the time you realize the Grip's are in the area it will be too late... PGM's would have been deployed and the Grips will be blasting out of there at Mach 2 while your 3 J-7's are still taxying on the runway Your argument is completely flawed. Also, the NATO had no combat experience with JDAM's and Data-links the first time they used them in combat... and yet they were victorious. Finally, the Umbani and upcoming Raptor 3 are GPS guided and have ranges of 150km and 300km respectivly, we can launch them from the saftey of our own lines, not needing to venture into contested air-space Combat experience not worth as much as skill and training and superior firepower. Conclusions: - Gripen will perform ISTAR with impunity - PGM's from Gripen and Hawks will degrade your air-defence networks from stand-off distance - your few operational combat air-craft will be destroyed in their hangers - your CnC and massed and unweildy armoured formations will be nothing but target practice for the SAAF Nigeria will be like Libya in a few weeks of combat, unable to respond to death from above. 2 Likes |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:37pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
patches689: #Show us proof of Bofors gun at high altitude, photo and the altitude proof in metres or kilometers  What is the range of AK-47 rifle at high altitude? Increase from 350m to 500m ? What is the range of LG-3 AGL at high altitude? Increase from 2.2km to 3km ? What is the range of 120mm mortar at high altitude? Increase from 7km to 10km ? What will be the range of Bofors FH-77B at double the high altitude in Kargil? 40% x 2 = 54km !!!! According to your dream of less dense air Your fake theory is NOT mentioned by any military source in this world, no weapons manufacturer, buyer, or user ever talked about this mumbo jumbo magical mathematics you found on Sesame street where kiddies dream of imaginary fairy tales. All photos show Indian Bofors guns at bottom of mountain on flat ground, pointing barrels to the top of the mountain where the target is, where the targeted Pakistanis are hiding at high altitude. Bofors is at low altitude, target is at high altitude, your own photos PROVED that fact ! You are conclusively, totally, absolutely, roundly and squarely defeated in this argument@Patches #Show us proof of Bofors gun at high altitude, photo and the altitude proof in metres or kilometers .
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| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:40pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
agaugust: Why are you so emotional? Its mentioned in your own source, by the Indian Army. You brought it before this forum. This topic is moot now. You were even forced to resort to fraud to try to win, and still you failed. Max range in standard operating conditions = 30km |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:49pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
zaandrew: How do you detect target without you too being detected and attacked ? You have SANDF radar inside Nigerian side of the dividing frontline? South Africa has NO Satellite, so forget GPS Hawk jets have no targeting pod, so forget that too. Best is Hawk may have FLIR with very short range and gets too close to target, gets shot down by Nigerian air defences You cannot attack mobile target without a lock on radar or FLIR. Data link is only for information telecoms NOT for locking on targets . Show me where NATO said their jets used data links to lock on targets and attack Dream on dreamer ! . |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 12:51pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
agaugust: That gun might look the same as that of Nigeria but the features have changed to a greater extent. It has been upgraded and that's why it was tested on different climates and altitudes. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:53pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
agaugust: I have allready shown you where hawks used the data-link to engage targets. We have shown that we have satellites that reviewed the aftermath of bangui You know that the South African Airforce has no less than 4 seperate models of Recon/ISTAR pods You allready know that our stand-off munitions use GPS. The Umbani also has active target tracking, meaning that once it is in the general area, it can find the target itself. stop wasting our time with pointless demands. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:55pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
zaandrew: Thank you for proving me right with the bolded part of your comment.....Data-link is a mere radio telecoms device, NOT a weapon for targeting and locking on enemy. Data-link only communicates by radio of information to you, it's up to you to go locate that target, get withing firing range, acquire/track target, lock on target, fire on target when you are withing firing range. You Soweto guys will soon say the tyres of your APCs are weapons because you can drive it over people's heads when they lie down Buffoons .
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| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 12:56pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
NIGERIAN TROOPS RECAPTURES FACHI AND DUMA ! ! ! ! . . . . http://m.news24.com/nigeria/National/News/Adamawa-victory-raises-militarys-morale-in-terror-fight-20141121 . . . . Nigerian troops in the ongoing blistering assault against boko haram,has recapture fachi and duma from terrorists.currently,mop up operations are going on in fachi,duma,gombi,pella,and hong after boko haram fighters were violently routed out by troops.large caches of sophisticated weapons were captured including : APCs,rocket-launchers,atillery,anti-tank missiles,anti-aircraft ground-to-air missiles,kalashnikov rifles,grenades,IEDs and other explosives,along with many other heavy weapons.it has been reported that military morale is high,and troops are continueing with their constant offensives.military jets and attack helicopter are constantly bombarding "selective targets" of terrorist occupied areas along with aiding ground troops in mop up exercises. 1 Like |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 12:59pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
agaugust: Yet again you expose your lack of knoweldge as to what a Data-link is... not suprising, since Nigeria is such a primitive place One practical application of Link ZA is as catalyst for the SA Air Force’s BAE Systems Mk 120 Hawk LIFT radar-simulation system (RSS), which uses a radio-frequency network established among as many as eight aircraft engaged in an exercise. Each aircraft constantly transmits its position via a Link ZA datalink, and each aircraft's mission computer calculates the positions of the other aircraft relative to itself. That picture is displayed as a real-time radar image on one of each pilot’s three multifunction displays (MFD). http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-6184/ 2 Likes |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mzilakazi(m): 1:02pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
EVarn: Wow!!! I never knew there were so many towns and villages captured by BH. Anyway, many media report that the military campaign to flush out these insurgents proves futile since militants simply withdraw from one town and capture another. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:07pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
patches689: It transmits data link images and positions, it does not lock the weapon on target, and the Hawk must be withing range to launch the weapon. You think war is the theory you imagine in your head? Practical war is different. Data link is a telecoms device, picks target, communicated the information to others, does NOT make it a target lock on and weapon launch device....even MTN can do datalink services....Fool ! Show me where NATO in all their years of combat says data-link is a weapon for locking on and firing on a target ! Fool . |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:09pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
mzilakazi: Boko Haram only exists on less than 0.1% of Nigerian land territory . |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:10pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
agaugust: Ok. So you are saying that: despite having all the information you need to lock onto a target You cannot Because..... well... because you say so Do you even know what ISTAR is? I dont have to show you anything. You have to show us that data-link cannot be used to deploy weapons. |
| Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:12pm On Nov 21, 2014 |
agaugust: 2 Likes
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