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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nlMediator: 10:32pm On Nov 22, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: Isn't your comrade in arms a piece of work? He neither knows exactly what Myles taught or what you said about it, but he's ready to pounce! Lord, that guy's arrogance flowing from ignorance is nauseating. Sad. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:38pm On Nov 22, 2014 |
trustman: Yeah |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nlMediator: 10:38pm On Nov 22, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: I doubt that anybody ever said or even insinuated such. The guy needs to put his imagination to better use. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by BabaGnoni: 12:18am On Nov 23, 2014 |
nlMediator: Wow, "Land Wind X7" is a beauty. Yeah! It's a piece of work Is there a pleasure thing going on in all this (i.e. the goading, so as to stimulate a response or trigger a reaction) Remember the 2nd commandment: Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; nlMediator:Talking of putting imaginations to better use, if I was none the wiser, I could be thinking nlMediator is Image123 because of all these post graffiting going on 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nlMediator: 12:59am On Nov 23, 2014 |
^^^^^ What's next, you hear that Denzel is a baaad actor and you start looking for all the bad actors you can find and then try to convince us Denzel does not belong to their class? Man, you need to be more familiar with the vernacular. I agree with you on one thing though: some of these banters are not very necessary and lead to more fights. I should go back to my default mode of ignoring some people and some things around here. And stepping in when it is absolutely necessary. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by BabaGnoni: 1:10am On Nov 23, 2014 |
nlMediator:^^^ Who's been looking and who's trying the convincing The olive branch (i.e. stepping in when it is absolutely necessary) is a welcome, mature, healthy and good idea 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Nobody: 1:28am On Nov 23, 2014 |
WinsomeX:Thanks for supplying your answers and calling my explanations lame excuses.Just out of curiosity, please show me the majority of your own preachers and ministers and men of God who have used the gospel like Paul to affect many lives? Has your so called "narrow is the way gospel" not ruined the lives of many church folks through 'isolation revelation' ?- It still damages many today, and I wish that some of you folks would highlight the heresies of those your holiness churches as well. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by nlMediator: 3:06am On Nov 23, 2014 |
BabaGnoni: Ok. Advice well taken. I meant start (not still) looking. I've corrected it. It was in reference to your 'piece of work' comment in which you seemed to suggest the expression is used for beautiful things, like fine range rovers. Well, not in the context I used it. The vernacular side. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 5:10am On Nov 23, 2014 |
There is an obsession with outing monikers. For the record am no Naija man. Anyone who can figure me out gets $2,500 BabaGnoni: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Goshen360(m): 5:19am On Nov 23, 2014 |
vooks: In USD or .... |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 5:41am On Nov 23, 2014 |
The best example is William Branham. Am sure you know how disappointed his adherents were when he failed to resurrect. Obsession with rapture is not a preserve for the WOF movement. Jehovah's witnesses have been at it long before the 60s. Paul at not time expected Christ to return while he was still alive. Am sure you have in mind the resurrection verses in 1 Cor 15 and Thessalonians. His attitude was Christ CAN return during our lifetime not Christ WILL. When you say Chriat WILL,you are indirectly placing a time on his coming. If you are 50 years young, you are saying He will return in the next 60 years max. Here is one such man. A crowd pull for sure. https://www.nairaland.com/2002872/here-prophet-claiming-malachi-4s There is a recurring theme of 'impact'. Who has had more impact between WOFers and non-WOFers? If impact means pulling most crowds, then WOFers win hands down. Does that vindicate their message? If it does, then Islam is a true faith. The 'impact' theme is basically some subtle blackmail, 'you are too few, you can't possibly criticize them because they are too big'. Watch it nlMediator: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 6:57am On Nov 23, 2014 |
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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 6:59am On Nov 23, 2014 |
Bidam: I am not a holiness preacher. I despise that term: "holiness movement"; there is no such thing in the bible. I know nothing of "isolation revelation". And I apologize for calling your statements lame excuses, though it is not time to begin enumerating times you have referred to me as a "dog" while I wisely over looked the statement. I consider myself a preacher of the gospel of Christ. Like Paul in Acts 20, I like to see the emphasis of my doctrine on the gospel of grace, which builds people up and gives them an inheritance. I also like to see myself as one that is orthodox: staying faithful to a true Christian tradition as Jude called us to do in his epistle and as Paul warned us to do in Galatians 1:6-9. In all these I seek to propagate and preserve gospel truths. As for the ministers I look up to, you would have realized them if you read my posts well. I hope you and Gombs can fish them out as you fished out my critiques the other time. 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by trustman: 7:48am On Nov 23, 2014 |
Gombs: No wonder you guys arrive at the conclusions you get to. You take a passage about Abraham's unwavering trust in God, make your own meaning out of it, stamp that meaning into your tithing position and then run along 'exciting' yourselves that you are doing right. If you tithe because you want to assuage your conscience, or satisfy your church or present a scorecard before others then you may succeed in meeting those goals. But only a right motive will please God. Anything, including TITHING not done in line with God's way becomes wood, hay and chaff before Him. 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 8:41am On Nov 23, 2014 |
Why won't you circumcise Abaham style using the SAME faith? Faith is commendable but no amount of faith can transform an expired practice into a sound doctrine. Try slaughtering Jesus a lamb Gombs: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 8:53am On Nov 23, 2014 |
trustman: Well, let God determine that. Until he comes, I wikl keep tithing, be very much assured I do these with the right motive and a pure heart, not grudgingly and debates. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 9:01am On Nov 23, 2014 |
vooks: You know you've gone on with this circumcision thing, and I've tried to let you wallow in your knowledge but, a brief writ to get your mind alive. You call circumcision an expired practice? Ok, I thought it was a covenant between God and Abraham to be carried out in ALL generation. Genesis 17 MSG from v9 God continued to Abraham, “And you: You will honor my covenant, you and your descendants, generation after generation. This is the covenant that you are to honor, the covenant that pulls in all your descendants: Circumcise every male. Circumcise by cutting off the foreskin of the p.enis; it will be the sign of the covenant between us . Every male baby will be circumcised when he is eight days old, generation after generation— Please educate me, how did circumcision become an expired practice? Remeber we became the decendants of Abraham by faith in Chriist Jesus. Put these in perspective. This was the covenant sealed with circumcision. 1. To make Abraham the father of many nations and of many descendants and give "the whole land of Canaan" to his descendants.[Gen 17:2-9]. 2. Circumcision is to be the permanent sign of this everlasting covenant with Abraham and his male descendants and is known as the brit milah.[Gen 17:9-14] 3. Covenants in biblical times were often sealed by severing an animal, with the implication that the party who breaks the covenant will suffer a similar fate. In Hebrew, the verb meaning to seal a covenant translates literally as "to cut". It is presumed by scholars that the removal of the foreskin symbolically represents such a sealing of the covenant Service has started! See you boys later! I know someone will quote Romans 2:29 and so on... |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by BabaGnoni: 9:24am On Nov 23, 2014 |
nlMediator:^^^ Of course one knew the context it was used but was making light of it, by turning the context it was used on its head, and taking out, as it were, the venom (i.e. by saying "Land Wind X7" is a piece of work) "Land Wind X7" actually is not a Range Rover as in not even a Range Rover model "Land Wind X7" is not manufactured by Land Rover but it is a Chinese version of Range Rover Evoque (i.e. Range Rover Evoque imitation manufactured by the Chinese) - the resemblance is striking, a 'piece of work' 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 9:32am On Nov 23, 2014 |
circumcision is as relevant as animal sacrifices and if you have contrary opinion, please say so and explain that much in the fewest words Hebrews 7:18 (KJV) For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. Gombs: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 9:48am On Nov 23, 2014 |
Faith, right motive, pure heart, not grudgingly don't make a Mosaic Law a Christian doctrine Gombs: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:16am On Nov 23, 2014 |
vooks: Was circumcision before or after the law? Why the above verse? Meanwhile, what about the covenant God sealed with circumcision? Did He annul it? Provide scriptures if you can. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:18am On Nov 23, 2014 |
vooks: Tithing has existed more than 400years before Mosaic law came about. |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 10:22am On Nov 23, 2014 |
Gombs: The covenant was sealed with the nation of Israel. Abraham was made righteous by God before circumcision through faith. That is where you and I come in- through faith, complete trust in God. Paul said physical circumcision profiteth nothing for us, didn't he? 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 10:23am On Nov 23, 2014 |
Let's play dating game; tithing was introduced into Christianity late into the 5th century, a good 400 years after Pentecost Am really mad at Holy Spirit because he hid this revelation from the early church and left them to their own devices for fending off devourer Gombs: 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 10:27am On Nov 23, 2014 |
John 7:22-24 (ESV) 22 Moses gave you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath. 23 If on the Sabbath a man receives circumcision, so that the law of Moses may not be broken, are you angry with me because on the Sabbath I made a man's whole body well? 24 Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.” Acts 15:1 (ESV) 1 But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” Here you go again confusing yourself with Mosaic vs pre-Mosaic When the Jews demanded Gentiles be circumcised, was it after Abraham or Moses? Gombs: 2 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:34am On Nov 23, 2014 |
shdemidemi: Read and see how you confuse yourself
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Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 10:37am On Nov 23, 2014 |
vooks: Younare really funny! You quoted a verse trying to anul circumcision, a verse that does not have any jurisdiction over circumcision and tithing, for these two came before the law. Knock yourself out |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by shdemidemi(m): 10:41am On Nov 23, 2014 |
Gombs: If your problem is 'the ones brought him from outside'- they are his slaves and not christians. 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by vooks: 10:46am On Nov 23, 2014 |
My brother, What was annulled in that verse? Gombs: 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by WinsomeX: 11:00am On Nov 23, 2014 |
^^^ Gombs is in church! 1 Like |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 11:10am On Nov 23, 2014 |
shdemidemi: Fixed Now younare coming up. The confusion would soon cease. 3 Likes |
Re: The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - Kenneth Hagin by Gombs(m): 11:11am On Nov 23, 2014 |
vooks: The law. Are tithing and circumcision having origin under the law? 3 Likes |
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